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Wights are fixed at 4HD and are absurdly deadly as a horde, what with the energy drain. Zombies aren't supposed to be particularly dangerous individually. It's the horde that scares the crap out of you. The template also means that you can have important individuals that are still zombies.
I think there was a wight template in SS that might work too, but I don't have that book anymore.
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2012-09-28, 01:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-28, 04:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well yes, incest is a pretty minor bit of nastiness compared to mass murder or what not - IN REALITY. But from where I sit, wanting to slaughter a few hundred fictional people is a lot less wicked than wanting to slaughter a few hundred real ones, while wanting to shag your fictional sister is not very much less squicky than wanting to shag your real sister. Either way, it's less like a real crime and more like a "thoughtcrime", so being fictional doesn't reduce the impact much.
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2012-09-28, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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I believe the intent is as follows:
A. In reality, mass murder is generally far worse than incest.
B. The desire to mass murder is far less disturbing than actually murderering hundreds of people
C. The desire for incest is about as disturbing as actual incest.
Therefore, simulated incest is more disturbing that simulated mass murder.
Correct?
Edit: Another way to think about it: If I say "I'm going to kill all the orcs!", there's a very clear separation between when my character is going to do and what I as a person am going to do, especially because genocide is a crime that has to be committed. Merely thinking about genocide is not a crime (and a good thing too, because we seem to think a lot about it in 3.5/PF games XD).
However, if I say, "I'm going to sleep with my daughter!" there's a much higher "ick" factor because even considering such a thing is mostly seen as repulsive in polite society, and the difference between fantasy and reality is much thinner. While none of us will ever literally kill an orc (without a severe disruption in what we know to be real), one of us could possibly commit this very real taboo - not saying any of us will, but the possibility of the action is there.
Similarly, if my character said, "I'm going to murder all the orcs," and then went on to use real-world racial epithets to describe the "orcs," it would quickly become uncomfortable, because the boundaries of fantasy and reality just blurred until the point where they're insignificant.Last edited by Novawurmson; 2012-09-28 at 09:48 AM.
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2012-09-28, 10:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Pretty much yeah. There are degrees, of course; the murder is more disturbing the more detail you put into the bloodshed and the victims' reactions and so forth. On the incest side I don't want to say too much, but without recalling the details of diabolic reproduction, it's probably not entirely the same thing for ancient immortal beings who didn't exactly grow up behind a white picket fence among loving parents (EDIT: I wrote that having forgotten that one of the fiends in question was the parent, so this point doesn't really stand anymore); to me the ewness of incest is in the idea of a family relationship going into inappropriate territory, but family probably doesn't mean much to devils in the first place and there's much question as to whether anything they do qualifies as "appropriate". But in general I'm inclined to think that incest is conceptually disgusting and thus disgusting even when it is no more than a concept, while violence is not that problematic as long as it remains abstract.
The rest of your post pretty well supports my position, although I wouldn't have gone into orcs because that imposes too much of a separation between the concept of "person" and the thing you're talking of killing (though the sideline about racializing them is a good point to have made). Even if you're saying "I'm going to kill all the humans," though, it seems less bothersome as long as it remains fully fictitious; you imagining killing people doesn't hurt them, but you imagining a sex act places the emphasis on you, on your capacity to want such a thing and the effect that this desire has on you. Wanting to wreak violence is maybe not entirely healthy, but it's something our species' history has prepared us for, so the very idea we'd think about it isn't too horrifying, but the issue of what turns a person on is more intimate to them and more suggestive of their private sensibilities.Last edited by willpell; 2012-09-28 at 10:04 AM.
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2012-09-28, 10:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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I specifically used the orc example to transition into the racism comparison :D
Getting back to the point of the thread, I think the idea that "races" and subraces can be inherently good or bad, and that they can be judged instantly on the basis of the color of their skin or scales is increasingly creepy to me. Refer to the OOTS comic about how it's totally cool to kill a dragon as long as its scales aren't shiny :P
Also, Urgathoa (warning: mild gore) is one of my favorite evil deities. I really like how her followers run the gamut of "affable hedonists" to "plague-worshiping abominations."
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2012-09-28, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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"Creepy" isn't the word I'd use there, but I do think it's one of the more wrong aspects of D&D and I wouldn't game for very long with anyone who nails it very hard. With dragons, they are different species with different habitats, so it's somewhat justified; you don't kill a red dragon because it's red, but because there's a very long history of red dragons randomly burning small cities to the ground and kidnapping princesses to eat and such. And for any race that's explicitly been created by an evil deity, whether Tiamat or Gruumsh or something, you can say that malice is in their blood and they don't really have any free will. But at the very least, you need to do a good job of backing this up with observable behavior patterns, and it starts to fall apart fast if you send any signals to the contrary, such as using the Sanctified Creature template from BOXD on even a single member of a species, thereby proving that they're NOT irredeemable and so you should be redeeming them instead of killing them. Any time there isn't a very clear supernatural source of evil, killing creatures just because they're *said* to be always evil is definitely not behavior I'm going to be cool with.
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2012-09-28, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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The first time D&D Content creeped me out was in the AD&D 2nd edition book that went into the ecology of Mind Flayers (I don't recall the title, it was part of the series that spawned I, Tyrant for a similar book on Beholders). Their reproductive process was nasty and creepy. It involved putting their larval form into the head of a humanoid, resulting in a very painful, slow, and graphic transformation into a mind flayer.
Come to think of it, it wasn't all that dissimilar to that episode of NuWho where the Doctor & Donna were on the planet of the Oods and that guy (who was played by Percy from Blackadder) was changed into an ood 'cause he was a jerk.JediSoth
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2012-09-28, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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The entire concept that personal advancement is most quickly and efficiently attained by killing other beings. Want to learn how to weave baskets? Kill a few bears. Want to learn to sing and all the animals are already wiped out? Slaughter a goblin village. Want to make a magic belt? Why not wipe out those peasants?
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2012-09-28, 02:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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3.5 has less simulation elements than minecraft. Taking the rules as a representation of a reality is your issue, not one with a ruleset that's not even attempting to simulating reality.
There's a reason FATAL is treated with such scorn, it tries to simulate a world, D&D has never attempted such.
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GURPS. Much better example of a simulation, if you needed to bring one up at all.
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Actualy, Blasphemes from the 3e libris mortis and 4e's Open grave are a lot closer to the Frankenstein's Monster, as they're actually intelligent.
Well, they do explicitly say in The Book of Vile Darkness (or at least my copy) that they are at least rumored to be incestuous.
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2012-09-28, 10:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-29, 09:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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On topic: The...implied relationship between the father and daughter- pair of Archdevils. Fierna and Belial, i think it was. The picture just weirds me out in Fiendish Codex II
So her "Evil" seems to consist of,
1, She's an archdevil.
2, She likes to "have fun".
3, She likes fire.
4, She's obediant to her elders and superiors.
5, She wears skimpy clothes.
6, She's still learning responsibility appropriate to her position.
7, There's gossip about her.
She can't help point 1. And possibly not point 7. As for the rest, THAT's evil? Most PCs should be so evil.
That in itself is creepy.
EDIT: How did I type "COLOR", instead of "QUOTE" by mistake? Especially since I don't spell "colour" that way.Last edited by Marlowe; 2012-09-29 at 05:11 PM.
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2012-09-29, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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On topic: The...implied relationship between the father and daughter- pair of Archdevils. Fierna and Belial, i think it was. The picture just weirds me out in Fiendish Codex II [/COLOR]
I had heard of this before, and I didn't bother looking up Belial (I already read "Paradise Lost") but I did look up Fierna.
So her "Evil" seems to consist of,
1, She's an archdevil.
2, She likes to "have fun".
3, She likes fire.
4, She's obediant to her elders and superiors.
5, She wears skimpy clothes.
6, She's still learning responsibility appropriate to her position.
7, There's gossip about her.
She can't help point 1. And possibly not point 7. As for the rest, THAT's evil? Most PCs should be so evil.
That in itself is creepy.
I'ts like the archdevils of hell are in a teen oriented sitcom.
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2012-09-29, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Imagine if all real-world conversations were like internet D&D conversations...
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2012-09-29, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think a point is made in FC2 that "having fun" for archdevils, tends to involve a lot of mortal-torture.
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2012-09-29, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm just going to echo what people have said about PF Ogres. Plus, I'm hardly politically correct, but darn near every time someone attempts Rape as Drama only succeeds in making me ticked off at the author, not the villain. Plus, having ogres just kill people for "sport" would be just as horrifying without the trigger factor, and you could even twist them killing people for laughs as being kinda hillbilly-ish.
As for other stuff that creeps me out about D&D, the illustration of Torog from the end of the Underdark book in 4e freaks me right the hell out.Last edited by The LOBster; 2012-09-29 at 03:10 PM.
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I think if Archdevils were in the regular habit of kidnapping people from the prime material plane "Sailor Nothing" Yamiko-style for their own amusement, that should be more explicit. Because it would be a regular feature in the adventuring world that should be standard story hook. A lot of us have never seen FCII. Or FCI. Or TBOVD. As it is, Fierna seems to be mostly interested in having sex. If we were talking about Sharossa, it might make more sense.
Fierna's mortal sin appears to be Sloth, or rather, lack of ambition. Since she's already got everything she actually wants.
But yes, the decadent rich-girl teenager interpretation holds some weight. But I'm not going to call someone evil for being that alone.Last edited by Marlowe; 2012-09-29 at 05:08 PM.
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2012-09-29, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Torog seems rather offensive to all five of the sense.