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2013-11-23, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Part ye the Second:
SpoilerYeah, was spot on that one!
Woo! Luna haz star-lazars!
Actually, this is pretty much not far off how a lot of the fanon has it (albiet rather more abbreiviated, but part of that could be the magic itself showing only the most important points.)
I'm guessing someone now is going to take screen shots and ascertain which element Celestia and Luna were carrying...
Friendship lesson was fairly mediocre, but that crisis resolved fast anyway.
Spike: "he may be reformed, but he's not that reformed!" Preachin' to the choir, buddy, preachin' to the choir...
Also big note, though: as canon butt-monkey as Digo says he may be - but I note this time he was with them all the way, element or not, and no-one said anything about it, and he was included in all the friendship parts. (And also, given how scared he probably was - given all the panicking feinting he was doing earlier (just like somepony else he's close to with a flair for histronics...) I think that speaks volumes to his character.) So yeah. Thank you, season four, for putting Spike where he belongs, front and centre with the rest (even if he is arguebly the badass normal by comparison.)
Give up Elements of Harmony (without having to discuss or outright state - thank you for show not tell!) Oh dear. That's not going to bode well.
Six locks. Pretty clear where this is going. But ooh! Story arc!
Aaand Discord.
Yeah, sure, he's totally reformed.
I'd say it was his plan all along - but it kinda was, wasn't it...?
Sure would be a bad time for Sombra to come back from the dead, wouldn't it...?
Right - back through thread!
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2013-11-23, 07:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: My Little Pony LXXIII: Luna's Sordid Dreams? I'm Not Googling That...
Spoiler: S4The Good:
Luna/Celestia fight
Discord
Overall action quotient
The Bad:
Some of the dialogue seemed stilted.
Twilicorn
The overall script is meh. I didn't really feel why the others all suddenly wanted to send Twi away, for example.
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2013-11-23, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: My Little Pony LXXIII: Luna's Sordid Dreams? I'm Not Googling That...
Well, I can check that off my internet bucket list.
S4 Definitely
SpoilerYeah, it was pretty cool. Finally get to see Celestia win a fight. Too bad it was that one. At least there was some nice castle collateral with it, and we saw the device that held the elements in action. Apparently Celestia abandoned the castle shortly after banishing her sister.
S4 Spike
SpoilerThat reminds me a bit of Sokka from Avatar the Last Airbender in his earlier episodes. Maybe Spike will get some more respect this season? The upcoming comic-bookish episode might be another one for him to shine. He seems to be the savvy one for that.
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2013-11-23, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-11-23, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-11-23, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: My Little Pony LXXIII: Luna's Sordid Dreams? I'm Not Googling That...
Spoiler: Season 4 stuffAlicorn Magic is what was previously called Dark Magic. Neat. Really, that makes Sombra a lot more interesting, giving that he was using the stuff all the time. A pity they didn't take five minutes or so in the flashback's to conform that little bit.
Nightmare Moon was rather toothy, and had a really nicely animated tranformation. Headcanon: Luna/Nightmare Moon obtained that throatier Kathleen Barr voice over a few centuries of screaming and yelling, hence why she didn't sound any different during the fight itself.
So, in the previous age, the Elements were CGI. Good eye, Twilight, they were different!
Apparently, much like how the Season 3 opener was Spike's time of glory, the Season 4 opener is Applejacks.
Also, Discord was really well used, especially given that he was technically the villain of the whole episode but really wasn't. I laughed at him throwing seeds at Celestia, mostly because I thought they were, like, chocolate covered coffee beans or something.
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2013-11-23, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: My Little Pony LXXIII: Luna's Sordid Dreams? I'm Not Googling That...
Spoiler: season 4 eps 1 and 2 thoughtsOverall it was an enjoyable episode. Very nice animation and visual effects. A lot of sight gags that were really good. Applejack said 'what in tarnation' which is something I always look forward to. Discord was in top form.
There were definitely problems. I'd rate it the weakest of the season openers. Some of the scenes could really have used some shuffling around. We should have seen a few of the ponyville being overtaken by the brambles scenes prior to Twilight being informed of it.
If you're going to have the send Twilight away scene at all (I think it could have been handled better), then it should have come earlier. Have the first flashback scene, then send everyone off to the old castle to see what's what. Send Twilight back, have the scene with Discord. Then have a scene where there's actually not much for Twilight to do because hey, ponyville is apparently pretty good at handling itself while she gets to the root of the problem like usual so she goes to Zecora and has the next flashback scenes, which gives her enough info to warrant setting out after the others.
We could do with fewer damsel in distress scenes. Fighting off the brambles and tying them up was a pretty cool scene, but it didn't require it.
I'm intrigued by the thought of actual story arcs within the season as seems to be implied by the lockbox. There was an awful lot of exposition in this episode, almost so much that it felt like the characters didn't have much of a chance to interact with each other in a more natural way.The first chapter of The Book of Svarog
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2013-11-23, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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This pick has zero spoilers in it but sums up rather aptly my view on them:
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That's my view from the outside looking in of course.
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2013-11-23, 07:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: My Little Pony LXXIII: Luna's Sordid Dreams? I'm Not Googling That...
Spoiler: How to define authorityYou see, long ago, before the first alicorn, the ancient unicorns developed telekinesis. However, discontent with throwing mud at each other (because it was too similar to how the loathsome earth ponies would fight), the unicorns endeavored to create a more noble, refined form of dueling magic.
After a few failures with ponies turned into 20 foot tall rabbit hyenas, and the odd reverse gravity spell that required a team of 20 pegasi to recover the lost combatant, the unicorns finally came up with the most elegant form of combat: the beam war. The beam, you see, is actually the concentrated hopes and dreams of the casting unicorn, modified by what the caster had for breakfast that morning (as an aside, Celestia had only had a single banana the day she fought Chrysalis, which is why she was unusually weak during that beam war, and also why her beam was especially yellow).
Thus, the beam war, far from just another earth pony contest of strength, pitted the mental fortitude and will to win of the using unicorns directly against one another.
Later, when the first alicorns were created, it was found that the inherent physical strength, speed, and control contained in the pegasus form could be used to refine the power of the unicorn horn, allowing for never before seen dark beams, multi-beams, and the especially rare curly-Q beam. This made alicorns the unmatched champions of the beam wars. The duels that established Celestia's dominance over the famed unicorn duelist Smile Daisy Sunshine, are the stuff of legend, and young unicorns still study the finer points of the combat in their dueling classes to this day.
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2013-11-23, 07:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerYeah, I thought that immediately, too...
Indeed.
Originally Posted by Gamerlord
*glare*
*sharpens short swords*
Pika!
*cracks knuckles*
And fetch Bleakling, Blitzkreig and Jubilance, too!
SpoilerPossibility.
Though I like better the idea that Twilight is being occasionally subtly corrupted by that use of Sombra's power (i.e. dark magic), and it's going to come to a head at some point, possibly when the Pony-Lich Hisself shows back up...
Pahahahahahahaha!
That's still not gonna help you, you know...
*snerk*
SpoilerAlso, as that brings it to mind, was it me, or was AJ just a bit more badass in the tree-fighting than usual today?
SpoilerI think thubby's idea seems the most interesting, especially if it call into the whole "corrupted Twilight" potential plot point which would be cool to see...
Indeed.
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Overall verdict:
SpoilerGreat start!
DeLancie was... well, he was DeLancie, and I expect that standard from him at this point! (And I still do not buy his reformation! Have I mentioned that?)
The pesudo-valuable person crisis could have been handled better. But unlike some of the other two-parters, this didn't seem so rushed (probably because they were setting up), and the elegant use of show, not tell generally was excellent. I do dislike the idea that everything has to be verbally spelled out for the audience, as if they're stupid which you see often (and in a lot of cartoons), so it's nice to see some subtlety!)
I think I would probably be feeling more enthused, but after Day of the Doctor - and the Five(ish) Doctors - I think I am a bit burned out.
(It's a bit unfair, but I think a high-ranking pony episode (not the best ever, but definately up there) was a bit overshadowed by the Day of the Doctor, which I think is in the running for the best Who has ever been.)Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2013-11-23 at 07:52 PM.
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2013-11-23, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-11-23, 07:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've been waiting months to say this.
New episodes
Spoiler: Spoilers for season 4 premier.God, Pinkie was in Rare for here! And Discord was top caliber pretty much all the way through, I particularly like the meta joke about Twilight bursting into song. Though I am mildly annoyed with the ease of cowing him since it was such a big, and legitimately so, concern previously.
Twilight having a hard time with something that is not a social skill and has an academic side. That's hilariously awesome!
Fluttershy and Rarity and even AJ got some good lines in there, and these are easily the most epic actions scene's we've had since Canterlot wedding.
Canon is remembered and Celestia and Luna both got developments that I like, given that I've always been a sucker for mentor/older sibling characters. Twilight at leader is good but adorable, and it appears were getting an over arching plot this season.
My only real beef's with this ep, truth be told, is that they had to give up the elements at all. I felt that was a bad move, particularly with out thinking to first try USING the elements to clear the plants. And sending Twilight back felt a tad forced.
As an aside, were seeing more action, I wonder if maybe this means there part of the game plan for making it a bit more grown up is to show them more frequently having to draw there line in the sand and fight, and watching them have to get better at fighting? Would be unconventional given the official target audience."I Burn!"
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2013-11-23, 08:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, had a short play session with my daughter. I was the CMC and she was the Ponyville petshop that tried to sell Spike off as an exotic pet. Since the CMC had no money, they decided to spring him free Thief-style...
...and by accident my daughter dropped something which caused the Spike figurine to launch like Team Rocket out of the living room.
Scootaloo: "Is that still a victory? I'm going to count that as a victory."
Sweetie: "Well Spike isn't in the cage anymore."
Apple Bloom: "Nor in Ponyville's zip code."
S4 Stuff
SpoilerYeah, Applejack really had a-- Wait.
Mmm, chocolate-covered coffee beans. I crave. It was indeed funny to watch him bounce the seeds off the sisters. And really, it's great to see the sisters doing stuff together as well.
They had cute saddlebags. Totally marketable.
S4 AJ
SpoilerIt's always a treat to hear Applejack curse in that cute way of hers. Also good to see Discord is getting airtime. Interesting that there's a Summoning spell for him. Is that spirit specific or could there be spells to summon any pony?
That's adorable.
Wow, but tat's a complicated mane for a plush Cherry Jubilee.
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2013-11-23, 08:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-11-23, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: S4I think it's interesting to note that the Elements that Celestia and Luna use are generic gems and not fitted to them personally like they are with Twilight and her friends. We also see Celestia using all of them to defeat NMM. It suggests that they were not bound to them in the same way, or nearly as much as the Mane 6 and may not have had any personal "favorite elements" so to speak.
It makes it seem more plausible that both of them could have used any of the six elements equally well, or equally poorly.
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2013-11-23, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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What if this whole episode was just an excuse to have
SpoilerDiscord literally "sowing the seeds of discord"?
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2013-11-23, 08:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerGood point. As always, the show often is ambiguious on these sorts o issues, giving a lot of room for interpretation.
Completely different subject - did anypony else notice Discord talked about how the seeds had taken "thousands of moons" to grow, or was I just hearing things?Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2013-11-23 at 08:16 PM.
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2013-11-23, 08:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: S4e1-2 analysisHonesty-Loyalty are close enough to frequently be confused, and that Kindness-Generosity are very similar as well. Laughter is a very vague "keep people happy" and Magic an even more nebulous "holds friendships together". It doesn't seem that odd of a split, really.
Your OTP is LunaxLuna?
Spoiler: S4e1-2 on: MoonsGood catch. He does say "thousands of moons ago." Of course, 12000 moons ago would be around 1000 years, and would still be "thousands of moons." Still, an odd phrasing.Last edited by erikun; 2013-11-23 at 08:23 PM.
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2013-11-23, 08:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: OTP.Luna was wielding Loyalty, honesty, and Laughter.
Which two ponies untill recently wielded Loyalty and Laughter.
Both elements wielded by the same pony implies that they go together pretty well.
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2013-11-23, 08:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Season 4 First Impressions
This was incredibly awesome.
Got nothing else to say, really.
Yay for seeing the battle between Luna and Celestia.
Also, mysterious boxes. Does that mean overhanging story arcs, or just something that'll come up in the season finale?
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2013-11-23, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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S4:
SpoilerVery nice, I like the history lesson. Good to see Discord being himself without being an outright antagonist. Sending away scene was kinda awkward. And yay! Quest arc! New Villain teaser!
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2013-11-23, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerSo I should avoid pointing out than Honesty and Loyalty were equally valid by that logic and the amount of RD/AJ shipping, then...?
Or is this a case of OT3...? (I learned term on TV Tropes yesterday on a - comparitively brief - accidental trope-time-browse...)
And on that note, I really must go meditate... All this excitement (and with my parents back, them taking up some of the slack again) has worn me out...Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2013-11-23 at 08:30 PM.
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2013-11-23, 08:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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S4 Elements
SpoilerI guess they were just attuned to them in a different way. They were in their natural/original form then and perhaps that's how they originally worked. When NMM smashed them in the pilot, they had to reassemble themselves to reattune and picked a simpler form for that assembly. Thus, they fixed themselves, but the reduction in power meant they were locked to a specific pony in order to still work.
Maybe.
S4 Discord
SpoilerWell, that was certainly a loooooong wait for a payoff.
S4 Season
SpoilerI believe the hints dropped by the show staff was that this is an overhanging story arc.
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Spoiler: Not a Spoiler, but long and ShippyI have found more Evidence to support Rainbow Pie than Appledash, and my glasses are not shipping tinted, how dare you say that?
Also, Dashie and Jakie are better off as friends, they would but heads way to much to have a chance at forming a proper romantic relationship.
the only possible OT3 I can think of that would work with those, would be RainbowFlutterPie, and that's only cause Explorer convinced me, though personally I get a "Sisters from a different Mister" vibe from the evidence he pointed two in support of FlutterDash, and I don't think shy is confident enough for a romantic relationship in the first place
Granted it's almost all irrelevant, because I'm not that militant a shipper, I'll read anything if it's well written enough.
I once read a BDSM clop fic and liked it cause it was well written, and I hate Clop
but yes, today has been an exiting day.
I kinda wish I had waited till tomorrow to watch the Doctor Who anniversary Episode.
My Body was not ready for the Combined awesome of it and the premiere in one day.Last edited by Rater202; 2013-11-23 at 08:50 PM.
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