Dreamscarred Press Announces: Path of War Expanded

[Fax Celestis]

So something I just noticed looking at Mithral Current: For the weapon drawing rules it specifies you must have the Quick Draw feat or a +1 BAB. Quick Draw requires +1 BAB to take it, making the Quick Draw exception pretty useless.

I'd mention something about Soulknives and Quick Draw, but they get that well after they have BAB +1.

[Bluydee]

The riven hourglass discipline was great when I used it at my table before and it looks great here too! Really looking forward to buying the book when it comes out.

[Greenish]

Will there be new archetypes for the existing classes? Stalker in particular looks to have design space open.

[Nihilarian]

Will there be new archetypes for the existing classes? Stalker in particular looks to have design space open.

I'd love to see more Stalker options that remove the supernatural abilities.

[The Glyphstone]

Regarding the Crimson Countess archetype for Harbingers; is it intentional that Vitae only goes up, and not down? I was looking for some way to 'spend' Vitae, making it a choice whether to pool points to enable the various Sanguine Empowerment abilities and boost rolls, or expend them for something - but it's entirely a passive ability.

Similarly, is it intentional for a Crimson Countess to have two (non-stacking) sources of Insight boosts to attack rolls, from Accursed Will and Sanguine Empowerment?

[malonkey1]

So something I just noticed looking at Mithral Current: For the weapon drawing rules it specifies you must have the Quick Draw feat or a +1 BAB. Quick Draw requires +1 BAB to take it, making the Quick Draw exception pretty useless.

I think they're covering their bases in case somebody got it as a bonus feat.

[PsyBomb]

Mithril Current Bushi Warder just became my new build for Kenshin Himura.

[Ninjaxenomorph]

Is there anywhere I can find PF character sheets that have capacity for Psionics/PoW options? Mainly the skills.

[Elricaltovilla]

I think they're covering their bases in case somebody got it as a bonus feat.

Its actually the opposite. You can draw a weapon as a free action as part of another move action provided you have a BAB of +1. So this wording allows you to use mithral current in those edge cases, and makes quick draw less of a feat tax to use the discipline.

[malonkey1]

Is there anywhere I can find PF character sheets that have capacity for Psionics/PoW options? Mainly the skills.

Myth-weavers is compatible with Psionics, but doesn't natively includemaneuver support (although I just put the maneuvers in the "spells" section)

[Fax Celestis]

Has anyone converted Sleeping Goddess to PoW yet?

[Greenish]

Has anyone converted Sleeping Goddess to PoW yet?

I imagine some progress has been made.

Zealot introduces the Eternal Guardian and Sleeping Goddess disciplines

[Ninjaxenomorph]

It's mostly just the new skills. Yes, the most nit-picky reason to dislike these books.

[Ilorin Lorati]

Has anyone converted Sleeping Goddess to PoW yet?

Sleeping Goddess can be found near the bottom of the Zealot beta document.

[PsyBomb]

Quick note: The Destruction Cause of the Zealot's level-4 ability, by the way it's written, will ignore DR/-

I do not think this is intended, since it doesn't ignore DR/epic, but wanted to note that.

[Fenryr]

Will play a Bushi Warder in a month or two but will refluff the "seathe" with a "turns upside down" or something similar. 'Cause mind you, I want to use a Halberd.

EDIT: Any way for a Warder to gain Eternal Guardian?

[Lord_Gareth]

Regarding the Crimson Countess archetype for Harbingers; is it intentional that Vitae only goes up, and not down? I was looking for some way to 'spend' Vitae, making it a choice whether to pool points to enable the various Sanguine Empowerment abilities and boost rolls, or expend them for something - but it's entirely a passive ability.

I tried nine thousand and one ways to make spendable Vitae work within CC's mechanical theme and ultimately chose to sacrifice a flavor opportunity for the current incarnation. The trouble is that building Vitae through Claims is hard to scale properly, and Countess is a direct answer to numerous requests for more meaningful Claiming. Hence the current incarnation.

Similarly, is it intentional for a Crimson Countess to have two (non-stacking) sources of Insight boosts to attack rolls, from Accursed Will and Sanguine Empowerment?

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

[Fax Celestis]

I imagine some progress has been made.

Durrrr lern 2 reed, facks.

[Lord_Gareth]

Will there be new archetypes for the existing classes? Stalker in particular looks to have design space open.

Path of War Expanded will be handling All the Archetypes Ever, Ever, Ever. I'm pretty excited about an upcoming Warder one, actually.

[Snowbluff]

Will we be getting more gish classes? Bladeaste really has 1.5 class features worth using, and it's a strict downgrade from its psionic counterpart, AFAICT.

I'm still excited for the curse school. I like curses.

[Greenish]

Path of War Expanded will be handling All the Archetypes Ever, Ever, Ever. I'm pretty excited about an upcoming Warder one, actually.

Warder's getting even more archetype love? Man, those guys… Anyway, any teasing details?

Also, will there be a horselord stalker, or a musketeer stalker (privateer doesn't count)?

[Taveena]

Does Truesilver Tsunami apply precision damage (and other effects that do damage on each attack, like Flaming) just once, or on each strike?

... Also, can I ask why you chose to make Harbinger int-based? Kinda confused, nothing about it says 'must be super intelligent'.

[Lord_Gareth]

... Also, can I ask why you chose to make Harbinger int-based? Kinda confused, nothing about it says 'must be super intelligent'.

This actually came up before! Permit me to quote myself:

Aaah - I was wondering when I'd get this question.

There's a lot of reasons I keyed Harbinger to Intelligence. A part of it, maybe a very big part, is the legacy from which Harbinger arises. European witches, demonic entities, cannibal hags, beings like Koschei the Deathless - they all have in common this theme of knowing things, of holding onto terrible wisdom which they bend to their own will. Harbingers are the inheritors of that grim knowledge, the heralds of pain, and though they fight on the front lines their tool and weapon is still knowing.

Which is really where we get into the emotional aspect. A Harbinger does not channel her raw emotions, and her power is not based on the strength of those emotions. It comes from understanding, accepting, and to an extent embracing fear, sorrow, loss, grief, anger, hate, despair, and powerlessness. Harbingers have had their lives shaped by the worst the world has to offer but remain alive, and they translate that pain into strength by looking at the lessons their wounds have taught them, not by bleeding upon their enemies. They approach it intellectually, with an attitude of self-improvement, of dealing with their emotions somehow.

You can see that, or at least you will, with the iconic Harbinger - Kestrel of Asheholm. She and her sister both became Harbingers of very different stripes. Kestrel draws her strength from sorrow, and more importantly from her need to prevent such sorrow in others; Kestrel meditates on grief and how it's shaped her as a sapient being and uses its power in her swordplay. Her sister Jewel, on the other hand, has chosen to embrace fury at the injustices done to them both; for Jewel, the appropriate reaction to injustice is revenge, and she dwells and meditates not only on the nature of vengeance, but in how she can express it in her life.

Either way, force of personality, of self-identity, isn't the crux of the issue. Charisma relates to the self - self-identity, self-motivation, self-confidence. Harbingers do not need these things; their focus is on a universal constant, on the role that suffering and devastation plays in their lives and the lives of others. That comprehension leads them to the secrets of power.

I hope that made sense 'cause I'm not sure it did >.>

[Dusk Eclipse]

Path of War Expanded will be handling All the Archetypes Ever, Ever, Ever. I'm pretty excited about an upcoming Warder one, actually.

[Heavt Breathing] The warder is quickly becoming my favourite PoW class so far (still have to read the PoW2 classes in depth though), so that makes me happy; also I hope the Magus Archetype is combinable with Hexcrafter which is my favourite archetype. (pretty please with sugar on top)

This actually came up before! Permit me to quote myself

Aaah - I was wondering when I'd get this question.

There's a lot of reasons I keyed Harbinger to Intelligence. A part of it, maybe a very big part, is the legacy from which Harbinger arises. European witches, demonic entities, cannibal hags, beings like Koschei the Deathless - they all have in common this theme of knowing things, of holding onto terrible wisdom which they bend to their own will. Harbingers are the inheritors of that grim knowledge, the heralds of pain, and though they fight on the front lines their tool and weapon is still knowing.

Which is really where we get into the emotional aspect. A Harbinger does not channel her raw emotions, and her power is not based on the strength of those emotions. It comes from understanding, accepting, and to an extent embracing fear, sorrow, loss, grief, anger, hate, despair, and powerlessness. Harbingers have had their lives shaped by the worst the world has to offer but remain alive, and they translate that pain into strength by looking at the lessons their wounds have taught them, not by bleeding upon their enemies. They approach it intellectually, with an attitude of self-improvement, of dealing with their emotions somehow.

You can see that, or at least you will, with the iconic Harbinger - Kestrel of Asheholm. She and her sister both became Harbingers of very different stripes. Kestrel draws her strength from sorrow, and more importantly from her need to prevent such sorrow in others; Kestrel meditates on grief and how it's shaped her as a sapient being and uses its power in her swordplay. Her sister Jewel, on the other hand, has chosen to embrace fury at the injustices done to them both; for Jewel, the appropriate reaction to injustice is revenge, and she dwells and meditates not only on the nature of vengeance, but in how she can express it in her life.

Either way, force of personality, of self-identity, isn't the crux of the issue. Charisma relates to the self - self-identity, self-motivation, self-confidence. Harbingers do not need these things; their focus is on a universal constant, on the role that suffering and devastation plays in their lives and the lives of others. That comprehension leads them to the secrets of power.

I hope that made sense 'cause I'm not sure it did >.>

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Hopefully some of this makes to the print version, cause that is incredible, the knowledgeable warrior, is one of my favourite tropes/archetypes. So those are major points in favour of the Harbringer. Now.... can anyone help me to come up with a way to convince my DM to allow Harbringers in his RotRL campaign?

[squiggit]

That description makes me really excited for the Harbinger (though at the same time makes me want to toss my debuff oriented stalker out the window). Class sounds amazing. Ditto for the fact that it's int based, the justification for it works really well and I'm a huge fan of smart fighter characters. Probably part of why the Warder is my favorite PoW class, so excited for the news about it too.

Shame Warders can't be Privateers though, as the only thing that I like more than int-based fighters is Pirates... so one that slapped the two together woulda been delicious (and one step closer to my very bizarre fantasy class of a sword and pistol halfcasting necromantic lightning wielding pirate lord).

Oh and the whole idea behind the class templates seems nifty, hope there's more of them (or that the current ones get expanded a bit to cover some of the new classes).

Wish I had something more to say than "Oh that looks cool" over and over though.

[Togath]

Been playing a harbinger a bit now... It's very fun
The int synergy is great, and it's making her a surprisingly good skill monkey. ^_^
I admittedly didn't manage to make much use of the Shattered Mirror(except Breaking Glass Strike, which was quite fun) and Cursed Razor Disciplines, since we were fighting weak enemies(about 16-18* level 1 goblins, and a boss goblin[about level 3, iirc]).
On the other hand... It was fun seeing how the class preforms against weaker enemies. I was able to keep refreshing my maneuvers nearly every turn, since my claimed targets died so quickly. :3

Looking forward to seeing how it preforms in less "fight the swarm of mooks" encounters, but so I've enjoyed playing one.

*in a row, they kept streaming into the area.

[Milo v3]

I saw the Harbingers Int-base as coming from the archetype of the cold smart psychopath.

[Forrestfire]

As someone currently DMing for a playtest Harbinger, I really look forward to the book being published. It's a really fun class.

[Lord_Gareth]

I saw the Harbingers Int-base as coming from the archetype of the cold smart psychopath.

This is also a very valid Harbinger ^_^

[Sayt]

Is there still time/a cutoff time for submitting archetypes to the DSP submissions board for PoW Expanded?

I have the beginings of an idea for a racial archetype for Dwarven Warders.