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2014-12-14, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sun Blade = Lightsaber of Goodness?
So the DMG shows the new sun blade which is a hilt that makes a blade of pure radiance that still slashes but does additional radiant damage like the Blaster they have in optional weapons. So does that mean its a lightsaber?
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2014-12-14, 06:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-14, 07:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-14, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Sun Blade = Lightsaber of Goodness?
Do not put too much faith in this Sun Blade you've constructed. The power to make a weapon is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
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2014-12-14, 07:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Sun Blade = Lightsaber of Goodness?
Wasn´t the sunblade a bastard sword that could be wielded as a knife? Usually +3 I think.
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2014-12-14, 07:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Sun Blade = Lightsaber of Goodness?
Most interpretations of lightsabers have them being shafts of contained plasma rather than literal light.
But yeah, its about as close to a lightsaber as you're going to get in a fantasy game."No man is an island, entire of itself, every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main... Any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee." -John Donne-
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2014-12-14, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-14, 08:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Sun Blade = Lightsaber of Goodness?
So, the designers played a lot of might and magic?
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2014-12-14, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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I actually think of it more as Gourry Gavriev's Sword of Light.
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2014-12-14, 09:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-14, 09:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-14, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-14, 10:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-14, 11:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Sun Blade = Lightsaber of Goodness?
I would really like some input on this 5e Homebrew
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2014-12-14, 11:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Or think Thundarr the barbarian!
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2014-12-15, 01:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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"Lords of Light"
Especially since G.G. was rumored to work on Thundar.Last edited by Glarnog; 2014-12-15 at 01:05 AM.
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2014-12-15, 03:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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The wand of force says hi.
In any case, I think the first properly recorded use of a 'laser sword' in modern fantasy was actually the Rods of Wrath from a Fritz Leiber science fantasy story, Gather Darkness;
Like two ancient swordsmen, then, the warlock and the deacon duelled together. Their weapons were two endless blades of violet incandescence, but their tactics were those of sabreurs - feint, cut, parry, swift riposte.Last edited by Scots Dragon; 2014-12-15 at 03:16 AM.
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2014-12-15, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Sun Blade = Lightsaber of Goodness?
2nd edition Sun Blade was a +2 weapon, +4 vs Evil, and it dealt double damage vs. Negative Energy Plane creatures or those drawing power from that plane like undead, and once per day you could swing it around to cause daylight (ie, hurt vampires). It also dealt damage as a bastard sword but is wielded as a short sword, which was important, because:
- Only Warriors were proficient in the use of magic bastard swords (whereas Rogues could also use short swords).
- Short sword had a superior Speed Factor.
- Two Weapon Fighting required your off hand weapon to be smaller in size then the main weapon (or two daggers), so this allowed you to basically use a bastard sword in each hand.
To summarize, it was a pretty awesome weapon.
How does the 5E version compare?Last edited by Person_Man; 2014-12-15 at 02:05 PM.
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2014-12-15, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-15, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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My 5e Homebrew:
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2014-12-15, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Demon Dogs! What foul Wizardry (of the Coast) is this? They have created a copy of the Sun Sword!
...yeah, if you want a laser blade, this is the way to go. I kind of preferred the Bastard Sword with a Glowing Blade rather than a go-to analog for fighting Darth Macalaster.
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2014-12-15, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Sun Blade = Lightsaber of Goodness?
Not that well imo.
It is a +2 Longsword that has the Finesse property (Not light) that can be used with the Shortsword proficiency. It emits light and deals 1D8+2 Radiant damage with an extra 1D8 radiant to undead.
What I consider a huge detriment to the sword is the fact that it requires a bonus action to summon, so it cannot be drawn with a free action like every other weapon.
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2014-12-15, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-15, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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So it's gone from a +2 Bastard Sword which can be wielded like a shortsword, and does double damage to "negative energy-fueled creatures"... to a +2 Longsword (which is also this edition's Bastard Sword - see versatile property), which can use dexterity for to-hit AND damage bonus (like a shortsword) as well as being usable with shortsword proficiency, and throws an extra weapon die of damage against undead...
That's a pretty close analog on the base functions. All we're really missing here is the globe of daylight.
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2014-12-15, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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The fact that it doesn't have the Light property means that it can't be used with Two Weapon Fighting. So it won't be used by most Rogues or Rangers, which was the big draw of the weapon in 2E.
And the fact that its a Bonus Action and not a Free Action to draw means is a big deal, because it means you have to reveal yourself prior to combat (since it emits light) preventing you from using Stealth, or waste the Bonus Action the first round of combat (preventing you from doing something useful, like casting Spiritual Weapon, using Cunning Action, etc).
I think I'll house rule it to fix these problems.
Also, in every edition of Dungeons and Dragons I've ever played (and I've played every edition since 1st edition), I've eventually had to homebrew a Jedi class for one of my players, who insists on playing one. I think in 5E I'm going to use Monk chassis, remove the Unarmed Strike stuff and give them Martial weapon proficiency, let Flurry work with any weapon, and change the Ki powers to mimic Force Powers, and give them a real capstone. Any thoughts?
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2014-12-15, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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A Feat would fix the dual-wielding issue. Not optimal, but a trade-off from making dual-wielding more accessible in general. And the bonus action issue is why I prefer a sword that glows with the radiance of the sun over a Gundanium-fueled energy blade. (I'll run out of "not a light saber" analogs eventually).
Far and away, Monk will be the best fit. Next closest is Warlock (Pact of the Blade, but is the Force more like Fey or Old Ones?). You could probably work from Elemental Fist, popping in some more Mind Trick and Disturbance-Sensing abilities. The question though is do you want them to have full Martial proficiency, or proficiency with a specific weapon? There's some debate about how wacky weapon flurries could get (something about potential magic and the joys of Heavy Weapon Mastery), and if that seems to be a little overboard, you can restrict flurry to a specific weapon or smaller pool of weapons.
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2014-12-17, 09:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-17, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Monks in D&D online are able to take the feat "Whirling Steel Strike" to specifically use longswords. That seems to me to be the closest fit for Jedi. I would do that and use elemental monk as a basis for picking out some force and telekinesis-y spells for them to have access to. I would also give them the mage hand and friends cantrips (simple force use, jedi mind trick), but those are just my thoughts.
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