Warhammer 40K Tabletop XXIX: Ro, Ro, Ro Your Boute

[boomwolf]

At 2500 points, it could work.
Especially if you are IG, who are not alien at all to the 30k setting.
Whoever, point that 30k marines are NOT 40k marines. there will be rules to be learned in order to have a proper game.

Luckily, you know is legion, so it cuts down on your learning needs, as you can just focus specifically on them.




So, what to expect?

Units are mostly all-or-nothing. Dev squads all got the same gun (sargent included, all ten members too), tactical squads are all bolters, etc. some units (like veterans) break the mold, but your basic marines do that. units tend to be bigger. 20 man tactical squads are a thing,
The 30k unit rooster is also far, FAR bigger. many 30k units got no 40k comparison, or a single unit got split into several. and to top it off, some are highly custom-able. you really can't predict what they'll have.

There is no ATSKNF. moral is an actual concern in 30k.

Army construction is mostly a CAD base, thee are no formations. if you got a Lord of the Legion characther (everyone should have in such size), you can choose something called "rite of war" that gives you some FOC shuffling (usually turns something into troop), some army-wide special rules, and some sort of downside.

In 30k, only troops and units with the "Implacable advance" USR actually score.

As for imperial fists-thier devs get Tank Hunters, and all bolters army-wide(not variants like pistols and heavies though) get +1BS, in addition they are not allowed to choose to fail a moral check, have to issue a challenge (and get to reroll 1s to hit in it), and as long they are in cover they are immune to pinning.
As for their downside, the opponent (as in, the dude not playing them) can choose to not have random game length and instead force the game to be 6 turns. very useful if you go second in an eternal war mission. the sheer knowledge of when the game ends is powerful.
Their special gear and units are nothing that will be too alien as a 40k player. much of it just unlocks things that come stock in 40k, or gives a variant. nothing is overly unique.
Dorn is rather cheap of a LoW though, so you might have to deal with him. with gulliman and magnus showing up in 40k already though-a primarch isn't all that out there any more.

In general expect an army with a lot of storm shields, combat shields, boarding shields and watnot. fortifications are likely.
Or something completely different. a different Rite of War is almost a different army. same unit lists, but different allowances and restrictions means you get totally different setups.

What NOT to expect-drop pod spam is not a think in 30k outside of spesific rites. gladius isn't a thing (some rites play similarly, but the whole MSU concept is not 30k, unless you are thousand sons or some other legion that spesifically benefits from it)



So overall, you need to build your army as if you are facing something between 40k codex marines, and legion based CSM

[Drasius]

So I'm in a bit of an interesting pickle. Someone from one of the neighboring cities is coming to our open 40k play with his Horus Heresy Imperial Fists and wants a game. None of us play Horus Heresy, and to make matters worse our resident Iron Warriors player (to whom I would totally loan Basilisks) has to run an RPG session that day. I basically have to give this guy a game, since I want to encourage people to show up and sending him home on a 90 minute round trip with no game is not going to encourage him or the rest of his club to show up in the future. So, having never even looked at the 30k rules before, can I just chuck 2500 points of 40k Imperial Guard into a game of it and expect it to function, or are the games not that compatible?

Sort of. Depends on how he's built his list and if you play 30k missions with 30k scoring since in 30k only certain things are scoring (basically infantry only and dedicated transports like rhinos don't get that transfered over) while everything else is denial only and some of the 30k mission are rather different from the standard eternal war, with at least 1 that springs to mind leaving only a 12" gap between deployment zones.

All the usual caveats apply to list construction. If you take nothing but basiliks and he's infantry heavy, it's going to be a forgone conclusion. Ironically, one of the staples in a 30k list (armoured ceramite spartan) will struggle a bit against a vanquisher simply because armourbane isn't melta and stranding ~800 points of 6" move deathstar a million miles from their target is usually a decider.

Worst comes to worst, ask your IW player to loan you his toys and hash out a list from that?

[Cheesegear]

Can deathwatch be used at all in Shadow Wars?

Rules-is-rules, only Space Marine Scouts can take one at the cost of a Cache, and they aren't even that good, since they only work against Orks. What I, personally, do, is...

Can also counts-as a CSM team.

...
Chaos Space Marines being one of the best Teams in the game also doesn't hurt - if Scavenger early. To make it more palatable for my meta, I've also taken the route of going Undivided or Khorne. Making my models Ld 10/9 or 2 Attacks, which a Deathwatch Veteran, is. My entire Team doesn't have 5++, and they're not T5. So my meta is willing to let me play Deathwatch-as-Chaos Marines. Deliberately nerfing yourself goes a long way to making your Count As acceptable. Because I don't have Mark of Tzeentch or Nurgle on all my models, I've also nerfed myself of being able to pick up Inferno Bolts* or Blight Grenades. Again, some metas are surprisingly forgiving when you don't try to break the game.
* Vengeance Rounds are super cool and fluffy. But in order to get them, you have to unintentionally give your model a free 5++ on top (OH NOEEESSS whatever will you dooo...).

Extra dig;
What special wargear do Khorne and Slaanesh get in Shadow War? Nothing.

[Drasius]

Extra dig;
What special wargear do Khorne and Slaanesh get in Shadow War? Nothing.

Good, because Tzeentch is best God.

[Cheesegear]

Tzeentch is best God.

I take it that that's your submission for Thread Title?

[lord_khaine]

I suggest we find someone about either the suposedly new GW or new edition.

So Warhammer 40k tabletop: 8th try, all hail the new GW

[Wraith]

Thread XXX: 1/1,000th of the Way to Heresy

[Eldan]

I suggest we find someone about either the suposedly new GW or new edition.

So Warhammer 40k tabletop: 8th try, all hail the new GW

The Imperium is dead, long live the Imperium
NuMarines: Now 20% taller
Who is this Sigmar you keep talking about?

[Brookshw]

Drip Feed Me!

[LeSwordfish]

Warhammer 40K Tabletop XXX: By which we mean "Thirty"
Warhammer 40K Tabletop XXX: Join us tomorrow for our next preview of the thread name!

(That second one is precisely the maximum amount of characters.)

[Blackhawk748]

Warhammer 40K Tabletop XXX: By which we mean "Thirty"

I got a chuckle out of this one. It gets my vote

[Eldan]

Heheheh.

Warhammer 40k Tabletop XXX: Slaanesh approved
Warhammer 40k Tabletop XXX: Imperium After Dark

[Cheesegear]

Drip Feed Me!

I did do a lol. Unfortunately, it wont be relevant by like, Page 10.

Warhammer 40K Tabletop XXX: By which we mean "Thirty"

Well played.

[Caxton]

"The Hype Train has a Toughness Value"

[Cheesegear]

Even My Toothpick Wounds on 6s.

[lord_khaine]

Warhammer 40k Tabletop XXX: Slaanesh approved
Warhammer 40k Tabletop XXX: Imperium After Dark

Oh.. both of these gets my vote, with the favorite being on top

[Voidhawk]

Warhammer 40k Tabletop XXX: Slaanesh approved
Warhammer 40k Tabletop XXX: Imperium After Dark

Definitely my favourites!
Imperium After Dark manages to both reference the current events and the thread number, so a winner in all respects.

[boomwolf]

"The Hype Train has a Toughness Value"

Oh yea, this takes the cake.


On another note, just saw the size comparison of the numarines.
These are WAY too big. Disturbingly so.

[LeSwordfish]

Imperium After Dark manages to both reference the current events and the thread number, so a winner in all respects.

Damn, I didn't notice that. My vote goes to that one too.

[Requizen]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/...mepage-post-4/

Chaos Leviathan Dreadnaught.

T8, 2+, 14 Wounds. Monstrous weaponry. Power Level 16. Expect points to be super high, but dang this thing makes current-era vehicles look like they're made out of tissue paper. I wonder if Chaos will get a drop pod that can fit this thing... I sure hope not because holy crap.

[DataNinja]

I'm not super up-to-date on Forge world stuff (only seen the Tau and Eldar Imperial Armours), but could that Grav-flux thing be a hint as to what direction Grav is going in? More damage based on Keywords, and all that?

[Requizen]

I'm not super up-to-date on Forge world stuff (only seen the Tau and Eldar Imperial Armours), but could that Grav-flux thing be a hint as to what direction Grav is going in? More damage based on Keywords, and all that?

I was guessing so as well. This seems over the top, but it's also the largest Grav weapon I believe (or one of them, anyway). Hard to estimate what a Gravgun will look like, but I would imagine something similar - massive AP, more shots against blobby units but more damage against larger units.

[Theodoric]

I'm not super up-to-date on Forge world stuff (only seen the Tau and Eldar Imperial Armours), but could that Grav-flux thing be a hint as to what direction Grav is going in? More damage based on Keywords, and all that?

Possibly, or maybe it's just Forgeworld making things up on their own.

[lord_khaine]

Possibly, or maybe it's just Forgeworld making things up on their own.

Yeah.. i dam well hope that Grav changes a lot, so its no longer the silver bullet that kills everything. Its not like it needs to, with these rules it dont seems like Wraithlords will run rampant any longer.

[Forum Explorer]

I suggest we find someone about either the suposedly new GW or new edition.

So Warhammer 40k tabletop: 8th try, all hail the new GW

Warhammer 40K Tabletop XXX: Come on, we're the new GW!

Heheheh.

Warhammer 40k Tabletop XXX: Slaanesh approved
Warhammer 40k Tabletop XXX: Imperium After Dark

I like Imperium After Dark.

[Requizen]

Lots of local stores are getting preview copies of books on the 4th for a demo day, dunno if they'll just keep them in store for the remainder of preorder or whatever, but I'm already trying to work out which store to go to.

[Drasius]

I take it that that's your submission for Thread Title?

No, just my general stance.

Drip Feed Me!

Gets my vote.

Warhammer 40k Tabletop XXX: Imperium After Dark

Honourable mention for 2nd place.

I'm not super up-to-date on Forge world stuff (only seen the Tau and Eldar Imperial Armours), but could that Grav-flux thing be a hint as to what direction Grav is going in? More damage based on Keywords, and all that?

Probably not given that the old grav-flux bombard was FW grav meaning it was a strength test to wound (though it was on 2d6), then an armour save, but they also had haywire and left dangerous terrain, so they were the hotness for anti vehicle, especially in a meta that was full of armoured ceramite which made melta useless. Still, maybe GW told them to fix their crap so there isn't 2 versions of grav, who knows? Making grav not totally faceroll infantry when it was intended to counter MC's would be nice though and it's something that's been asked for and proposed many times, usually by making the to-wound roll based on bulkiness, but bulky/v.buly/extremely bulky probably don't exist anymore.

[DataNinja]

more shots against blobby units

That could also be a function of the fact that it's a "Grav-flux Bombard". Whereas an actual grav gun would get the same shots no matter the unit size. Since it doesn't matter if you're shooting at one Ork or 20, you're still only hitting 1 Ork per shot. Whereas this seems to function more like a multiple blast/barrage or something.

[Wraith]

Games Workshop announce Warhammer Fantasy Role Play 4th Edition, being developed by UK-based company Cubicle 7 Entertainment.

....Which is slightly odd, since Cubicle 7's most recent project is ZWEIHÄNDER Grim & Perilous RPG, a fully admitted WFRP "love letter" (read: copyright-avoiding clone) so one wonders just how much of their own market they're going to be cannibalising..... But something to look forward to, none the less.

[Theodoric]

Games Workshop announce Warhammer Fantasy Role Play 4th Edition, being developed by UK-based company Cubicle 7 Entertainment.

....Which is slightly odd, since Cubicle 7's most recent project is ZWEIHÄNDER Grim & Perilous RPG, a fully admitted WFRP "love letter" (read: copyright-avoiding clone) so one wonders just how much of their own market they're going to be cannibalising..... But something to look forward to, none the less.

Ha ha, very funny.

I am totally stoked on Cubicle 7's development of WFRP 4e, even if they weren't terribly subtle about it. Best team for the job.