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2010-09-28, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-28, 04:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
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2010-09-28, 08:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-28, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
Possibly a sorcerer would have some spells that disrupt divination.
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2010-09-28, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-29, 01:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-29, 06:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
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2010-09-29, 06:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-29, 07:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
So you teleport outside the range of his Greater Anticipate Teleportation. You are now locked in the initiative war. However since Foresight just triggered I think using your action lets the Wizard cast Celerity.
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2010-09-29, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-29, 10:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
Actually there are a few different things in play.
1) Mindsight isn't transdimensional meaning it can't find an Ethereal creature.
2) Superior Invisibility+Mind Blank (by a strict reading of the RAW) can't be penetrated by anything except Mindsight, so being on the Ethereal plane your target has no way at all to find or detect you.
3) You can attack with a transdimensional spell (I prefer using a Transdimensional Orb of Death); getting a surprise round unless the enemy has foresight up.
4) In the event that the target doesn't die on your first attack, Celerity comes into play and as your target is still flat footed they can't use any of the tricks to break into a celerity loop. Now you can either go the time stop route or just attack with another Orb of Death.
5) Even leaving aside transdimensional spell, you can still cast Time Stop while ethereal and then shift back to the material plane before readying an action to attack your target with an Orb of Death (or whatever you use to do damage).
The whole point of the Mindsight+Greater Anticipate Teleport is to stop individuals from sneaking up on you, but there are still ways around that.
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2010-09-29, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
If the target wizard is shapechanged into a Dire Tortoise, they get to act in the surprise round, too. Then it's initiative war again.
EDIT: since you're back again, Tippy, what say you on the argument about whether a wizard may seal their Genesis plane from intrusion except to only themself or when they have personally granted access? May the wizard create a demiplane with no portals, designate coterminous zones as they see fit, and designate that the "situation" that allows entry is only when the wizard personally grants access?Last edited by BeholderSlayer; 2010-09-29 at 10:12 AM.
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2010-09-29, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
True, it's actually first a Celerity war and then it's an initiative war.
Although that is what starting with a Time Stop is for. Time Stop plus a Portable Hole or Bag of Holding filled with Quintessence is enough to capture/disable anything that you can fit in the container.
EDIT: since you're back again, Tippy, what say you on the argument about whether a wizard may seal their Genesis plane from intrusion except to only themself or when they have personally granted access? May the wizard create a demiplane with no portals, designate coterminous zones as they see fit, and designate that the "situation" that allows entry is only when the wizard personally grants access?
Your best bet for doing something like that is probably to make use of nested demiplanes that can only be entered from a portal on another demiplane. You can potentially create a maze of hundreds of interconnected planes with only a single specific route through to your final plane. One good trick is to create a stasis plane (1 round is a hundred thousand years to the rest of the universe) that applies to everyone but you. When your enemies come to get you, you have a very long time to prepare to meet them.
Note that their is nothing stopping you from making a strongly negatively (or positively) aligned, dead magic plane with but two 5 foot squares that aren't filled with solid adamantium (right infront of the entry and exit portals) where you are the only one capable of using magic.
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2010-09-29, 10:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
If you could guarantee that the wizard will stay in Dire Tortoise form, and won't have any minion spotters with access to mindsight, you could just cast Hide from Animals.
A alternative way, with a slightly liberal way of interpreting RAW, is to pick up a level of hellbreaker for Telephatic Static.
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2010-09-29, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
Why not just use wish to cast forbiddance? Or better yet, gate in something to use wish for you or use shadow conjurations. It might be slightly more pricey, but it is undeniably legal and accomplishes the same thing.
EDIT: Or do what Tippy suggested, as it sounds way more fun.Last edited by ArcanistSupreme; 2010-09-29 at 10:42 AM.
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2010-09-29, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-29, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-30, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
Can you remind me how the pseudodragon familiar is getting a feat other than the ones in the MM?
Also, are people sure that winning initiative is the way to go? Why not just use a rocket-proof or rocket resistant build?
Basically, I'm unclear as to why being able to see the attacker 50 miles away is useful. He's no more obvious as an attacker than anyone else within 50 miles. Is this wizard confined to wilderness areas? Is there some reason you can't just disguise yourself?
Finally, are we assuming we have to catch the wizard? Some of these defences involve blowing quite a few high level spell slots just to escape, or to present powerful barriers that last for only a small portion of the day. The example of a foresighted wizard casting time stop, gating in multiple gold dragons, and then teleporting away, is blowing his spell slots on a threat he hasn't even identifed as serious.
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2010-09-30, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
The whole point is that the pseudodragon familiar has 50 mile mindsight, not the wizard. Hide from Animals won't work.
Too bad the level 4 feature stowaway is not very reliable, otherwise that would be perfect for following the teleporting wizard around.
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2010-10-02, 04:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
I'm getting more and more convinced that the way to beat a tier 1 caster is not to build a character that wins rocket tag, but to build a character with some kind of anti-magic capability that has a reasonable grapple, is very manuovreable, and can take a rocket.
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2010-10-02, 04:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
Reach+Mage Slayer+Improved Trip+Combat Reflexes Mage Slayer prevents the Tier 1 from casting on the defensive, Reach+Trip prevents him from escaping out of your threatened area. Feats such as great cleave lets you sweep away his mirror images in a single attack, while blind fight with pierce magical concealment can help you eliminate displacement.
Remembering that your in a party of adventurers and cooperating to defeat the enemy is more effective then trying to do it yourself.
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2010-10-02, 05:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
Here's a build that I'd used previously, and I think it worked well...
Elf
1-5 Duskblade (PHB2)
1: Point Blank Shot
3: Precise Shot
6 Abjurant Champion
6: Weapon Focus: Longbow
7-16 Arcane Archer
9: Extra Spell: Mage Armor
12: Extra Spell: Shield
15: Rapid Shot
17-20 Abjurant Champion
18: Manyshot
The build was VERY not optimized, but here's how it worked out:
The bow I was using had three d6 elementals on it, used blade of blood, followed by true strike, activated Arcane Boost for +6 damage then ambushed with a manyshot. The damage total was something around 1d8+[5enh]+[6insight]+[1compotence(Greater Bracers of Archery)]+[4STRComposite]+[3d6Bladeofblood]+[3d6 energy] four times ended up doing somewhere around 175 HP... [minus 40 for what little damage mitigation the wizard actually had up]
Of course my victory was due to the fact that I knew that wizard was coming a minute before the wizard knew I was there, and he only had around 120 HP, and only had minimal DR and resistances up
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2010-10-02, 07:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
Yeah, but he goes first (assuming the dire tortoise wizard that is being discussed), and as you are flat-footed before you act, you don't threaten him and thus he can cast however he wants.
EDIT: @The above build: Sadly, both protection from arrows and wind wall completely shut you down, and both are low-level spells.Last edited by ArcanistSupreme; 2010-10-02 at 07:09 AM.
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2010-10-02, 09:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
Yeah, but he goes first (assuming the dire tortoise wizard that is being discussed), and as you are flat-footed before you act, you don't threaten him and thus he can cast however he wants.
EDIT: @The above build: Sadly, both protection from arrows and wind wall completely shut you down, and both are low-level spells.
For the second point, a +1 force bow does away with both spells, and also eliminates most types of DR.
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2010-10-02, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
[/facepalm] That's what I get for just assuming I know the rules. Well, the melee build still has to get close to the wizard in question, and there is nothing about the archery build that stops the wizard from going first or casting spells.
That is a nice melee build once/if it can get close to the wizard.Awesome avatar by starwoof
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2010-10-02, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-02, 03:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
Actually they are not; the text of the force weapon property explicitly states that it turns shot to a force attack.
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2010-10-02, 04:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
Last edited by olentu; 2010-10-02 at 04:29 PM.
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2010-10-02, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best ways to kill a Tier 1 caster without being one
It doesn't matter if it's force or wood or fried chicken - the Wizard goes first. No archer/meleer can get the jump on him. Don't make me repeat what happens when the Wizard goes first.
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2010-10-02, 06:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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