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2012-10-29, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Does this tactic work by RAW?
So I'm slowly going through Three Faces of Evil with a scalpel and making the adjustments need to give my higher level players a challenge for this place.
There is a room with fanatic worshipers. Now the scaling advice says just give them levels of fighter, but I had something a little more sadistic and appropriate.
Could I give them an Alchemist fire in each hand, have them charge towards the party, and as a free action drop the potions at their feet. The result of this I assume would be an automatic 1 damage to each person and them selves in a 5 ft radius.
Now my other question is, since these are fanatics, I plan on this being suicidal. If they generate an attack of opportunity and will most likely die in one hit, do they drop the Alchemist fire at their feet, for the same effect?Last edited by killem2; 2012-10-29 at 11:05 AM.
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2012-10-29, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-29, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-29, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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If you use something that is considered a splash weapon, the rules state that "A splash weapon is a ranged weapon that breaks on impact" so dropping would cause it to break, triggering the effect. I think the key difference here is a substance in a container designed to break on impact is different than a normal container taking falling damage.
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2012-10-29, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, you could just strap them in vests lined with highly explosive alchemical compounds, give them a few levels in rogue, and send them running at an unaware group....
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2012-10-29, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Our just have them all chug Elixers of Death Throes, a relatively cheap single use consumable wondrous item. Have them labeled as "Potions of Fanatical Power".
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2012-10-29, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-29, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-29, 12:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Does this tactic work by RAW?
It seems like an iffy ruling on if they break. To me, it seems like they would, I mean they are flasks, you don't want them sturdy enough to resist breaking.
The suicide is not needed I agree, but it is for the flavor. Besides, their entire purpose is basically to just take up time for guards to get into place, they are expendable.Path of the Nefarious: A Way of the Wicked Journal.
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2012-10-29, 12:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Throwing the flasks at the player's squares + using the elixir of death throes seems like the most fitting, most optimal and most sadistic use.
Also, tanglefoot bags are awesome.
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2012-10-29, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Does this tactic work by RAW?
If you REALLY want the most bang for your psychotically devoted henchman, might I recommend the Pathfinder Implant Bomb feat, either as-is or for inspiration.
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2012-10-29, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-29, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Does this tactic work by RAW?
From the SRD:
The basic rule is simple: 1d6 points of damage per 10 feet fallen, to a maximum of 20d6.
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2012-10-29, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-29, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-29, 01:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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'Elixir' is generally the term the rules use for 'a potion-like item created as a Wondrous Item.' Strictly speaking it's a custom magic item, but it's also one of the most straightforward and least abusive ways of using those rules, similar to making scrolls of assorted non-PHB spells.
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2012-10-29, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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So it's basically a potion created from a spell that specifically is not allowed to be made into a potion. Not a first time the item creation rules have been abused, and not the last.
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2012-10-29, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not only is the spell higher than 3rd level and thus ineligible for potion-crafting, it would also cost 1125gp for 9d8 (40.5 average) Force damage, single-use. That's a really bad deal, considering you can just have minions read Explosive Runes for free and deal 6d6 (21 average) Force damage. As a 3rd level spell. For free. And you don't even need to worry about the PCs disabling them nonlethally and wasting your gold and effort.
Using the same spell slot as the Death Throes, you can slap Empower onto the Explosive Runes for 31.5 average damage. Again, for no cost beyond theloserdevoted follower you just wasted. On that thought, just use summons to deliver the payload, and spare your cultists for another day.
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2012-10-29, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2012-10-29, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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I do understand there's a RAW justification. That doesn't make it any less ridiculous.
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2012-10-29, 01:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Depending on the level of your henchmen, they could always take Fiery Ki Defense and run in to grapple the PCs like little flaming saibamen. Not quite suicidal, but then again the only better for a fanatical cult member than martyring himself is getting the job done without dying. Of course being NPCs, their fate is to become a charred corpse regardless....these are Adventurers we're talking about after all.
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2012-10-29, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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While you are correct, damage is actually not required here. All splash weapons "break on impact" by RAW, therefore the exact height/damage of the fall is irrelevant.
"Impact" is not defined anywhere in the rules, thus it is up to the DM to decide whether a given situation qualifies.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2012-10-29, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-29, 03:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-29, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Does this tactic work by RAW?
Give each of them a craft contingent maximized Maw of Chaos. The mook get's in range, triggers it, and the group get's boomed.
It's tons of fun to load mooks down with Craft Contingent spells set to trigger if they die, take damage, fall unconscious, etc.
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2012-10-29, 07:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-29, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-29, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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*bah*
One round TPK's are just fine. I didn't hit the mooks with Magic Aura or Nondetection so Detect Magic or Arcane Sight will show that they are highly magical. PC's that get in close contact with highly magical individuals without taking precautions deserve to be boomed.
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2012-10-29, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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