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2012-08-09, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
If you make a Listen check to pinpoint the square it's coming from (which should be fairly easy for a high-level rogue who has, by all probability, at least a few ranks in the skill), you can attack with a 50% miss chance. Appropriately enough, half of her arrows missed.
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2012-08-09, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
I think he's expressing the thoughts verbally precisely because Nale cannot hear them. It's a reflection of his utter disdain for Nale, and also, of course, to let the reader in on his thoughts.
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2012-08-09, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
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2012-08-09, 04:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
We're pretty sure Humanoid( Reptilian) which includes Lizardmen, Troglodytes, and Kobolds is one of his favored enemies, and Humaoind (Goblinoid) which includes Hobgoblins, Goblins, and I think Bugbears, is another likely one, but I don't think any have been officially stated... so Humanoid (Human), Humanoid (Gnome) or Humanoid (Elf) are all possibilities.
Actually I think this is more along the lines of people talking to characters in TV and movies... You know they can't hear you when you say , "Don't go into the scary basement alone. Don't open the door. Don't stick your hand in the sink with the disposal. Don't say the incantation while looking in a mirror under a full moon on Friday the 13th while standing in a pentagram with candles made from ground up human bone mixed with human ear wax with human hair wicks." You just have to say it cause you hope that somehow they're realize they're doing something incredibly idiotic. So too even though he knows Nale is deaf, 'Ninja Thog' is saying "Don't advance. Don't shout so people know where you are in the smoke. Don't panic. Don't be a fool"
Yes, she is... which is revealed by the exposition and by the arrows missing. The Smoke counts as partial cover.
The spell succeeds, Suggestion doesn't fail just because they can't hear you, but it becomes a gesture and charades game with limited effect if you can't communicate verbally or mentally with the victim. If Belkar could hear a suggestion, he would most likely obey, but until he can, he will act on his own nature, which is very bad for Nale. This isn't the first time Nale has used the spell on Belkar, but I actually think this is the funnier time... which says alot, cause Belkar singing show tunes while trying to kill Durkon was pretty funny.
I think Qarr is in serious trouble. Malack may not be as effective as you think, and Tarquin is too smart to stay when he knows his idiot son is outmatched and outclassed by his other fool of a son's brilliant tactical genius bodyguard.
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I do want to point out for anyone who thinks Tarquin is a brilliant bastard... drop brilliant and bas, and you're closer to the truth. Remember, he sired Nale and Elan, and neither of them is as smart as Nale and Tarquin think one of them is (Nale thinks himself a genius, and Tarquin thinks Elan is a genius... so do the math)
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Ooo, and I love how Belkar found a new way to do Death from Above!!! He's so dementedly cute when he goes all vicious and stabby.Last edited by Sweet_Goddess; 2012-08-09 at 04:08 PM.
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2012-08-09, 04:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Nale has to be running low on health by this point. Two arrows from Haley, the trap in the last strip, and now Belkar's chopping at him. If this isn't Nale's Last Stand, I'll be pretty surprised.
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2012-08-09, 04:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Tarquin explains how Holy Word functions so people (especially non-D&D players) get the Belkar gag.
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2012-08-09, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wow, the Order actually has a huge advantage over the LG for once.
Of course, Finagle's Law dictates that things go downhill after this. Regardless, this is pretty awesome.Last edited by Arkylos; 2012-08-09 at 04:08 PM.
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2012-08-09, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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* my emphasis
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2012-08-09, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
I think Roy just hit Epic level with this plan.
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2012-08-09, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Priceless.
...actually, it's only Tarquin that's doing some real resistance. So, I expect some turn of table (Malack's arrive?)Do I contradict myself?
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2012-08-09, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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I was going to worry that the delayed update schedule caused by the kickstarter drive could mmake some readers leave, but I doubt it will happen as long as the strip is that good...
well, that's one aspect of deafening that is mostly overlooked in tabletop gaming: a deafened party cannot communicate, and will not coordinate well. add the smoke, and they are totally scattered. 2 of the linear guild are already down, nale is in a bad shape. too bad tarquin is powerful enough he can probably take the whole order by himself, or that ambush would have worked perfectly. On the other hand, I don't think tarquin would want to kill the oots, he need them to fight xykon.
And I'm still laughing at the belkar scene. it was so brilliant!In memory of Evisceratus: he dreamed of a better world, but he lacked the class levels to make the dream come true.
Ridiculous monsters you won't take seriously even as they disembowel you
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2012-08-09, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Maybe, maybe not. Haley can't sneak attack a concealed target and Belkar is a low STR, DEX based warrior with fairly ordinary daggers (presumably magical, but not flaming or anything that adds a ton of extra damage). That means maybe 20 points or so of damage from the arrows (+5 bow, as I recall) and maybe another 20 or so from the three dagger hits... it all comes down to A) how hard the trap hit and B) how Nale's levels are split. If he has more fighter levels than anything else (which I consider likely) then he may still have a decent chunk of HP remaining. If he's an even split Fighter / Rogue / Sorcerer then he's probably hurting... but I suspect he'd be a lot better at magic and trap finding if that were the case.
My personal guess: he's still over half health and not in any immediate danger (though another couple of rounds could change things a lot). However, if Belkar has favored enemy: Human then Nale may be worse off.
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2012-08-09, 04:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Don't forget that there's two party members blocked off from the rest, as well - Malack and Qarr have to find their way around that wall-trap-thingy before they can contribute to the battle at all (and Qarr may well be dead/banished by that holy word as well).
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2012-08-09, 04:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 04:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Someone is gonna die very soon.
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2012-08-09, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 04:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
If Nale dies, Sabine can visit him in Hell. So could the IFCC, for that matter.
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2012-08-09, 04:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
By the way, can anyone come up with a plausible means by which OOTS didn't see Malack at the tail end of that dungeon party?
On top of everything else, Tarquin's cover is blown. How on earth could Malack be working with Nale, but not Tarquin?
And if Tarquin is interested enough in hiding his identity as to go through the trouble he has, does it make sense to bring Malack in at all?
I don't really understand why Tarquin is hiding his identity anyway, but now it's double-pointless. Doing so was feasible as long as Malack stayed 1000 feet up, but not even Belkar could fail to put these pieces together now.
EDIT: To answer my own question earlier, I guess Nale's rogue levels allow a limited amount of trapfinding. As good as Sabine's? I doubt it.Last edited by eras10; 2012-08-09 at 04:44 PM.
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2012-08-09, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Thanks Giant!
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2012-08-09, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
And so we once again see a return of spells not affecting Belkar! Oh, and Nale is stupid.
If he has more fighter levels than anything else (which I consider likely) then he may still have a decent chunk of HP remaining. If he's an even split Fighter / Rogue / Sorcerer then he's probably hurting... but I suspect he'd be a lot better at magic and trap finding if that were the case.
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2012-08-09, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
I just noticed how Tarquin describes the spell without admitting the existence of an alignment system (as he says it affects anyone "not on the side of the angels", not anyone non-Good), in-keeping with his whole philosophy. That's a very nice detail.
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2012-08-09, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
There's an old saying, "When everything goes according to plan, you've obviously overlooked something."
Keeping that in mind,SpoilerI wonder how long until V shows up and does something to accidentally ruin the plan and kill their momentum.
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2012-08-09, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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