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2012-03-21, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
*holds head between hands*
So, huh, you know the circle of hate thing, and the crime I mentioned in my rant?SpoilerWell, I absolutely don't like what the news is telling me, because it's telling me the culprit is himself part of a racial minority and targeted other minorities for political reasons and that demonstrates too well why blind hate isn't gonna help anybody and and and oh god what's wrong with everything right now
EDIT: I'm describing the event in very vague terms for a reason: so it doesn't devolve into politics. Haven't seen any problem yet at the moment I'm typing this, but I'd rather make a preemptive warning.
A minority attacking another minority simply because they exist only gives the oppressing majority extra excuses for hating the attacking minority. And the victimized one, too, because now they have to deal with the trouble caused by the conflict, and it would have never happened if the victimized minority had never existed at all. That's how it works with racism. And that's how it works with homophobia, and transphobia, and sexism, and everything. The conscious decision to make collateral damage is never a good idea, ever. You target your aggressors, and no one more. Not their family. Not their loved ones. Not their community. Not their classmates. Not their victims. Not the aggressors of your aggressors. Them. The aggressors. No one else.
I think I'm gonna lay down.
@Heliomance: go you. Sorry, I'm not in the right mood to encourage you better than that, but remember I have positive thoughts and feelings about it, okay?Last edited by Mono Vertigo; 2012-03-21 at 12:16 PM.
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2012-03-21, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I am tempted to find a way to your settlement-of-living and show up dressed as an L, but that would be far too mean of me. Sorry. ^_^'
In all seriousness, I think it might be a good idea to eMail back and ask why exactly a thesis on Queer experience would not benefit those who do not directly experience it. Being polite and calm might be the way to make the theser (I have my own vocabulary!) rethink what is accomplished by it.
*Hugs*
There are bigoted people in all walks of life, but I am quite certain it is a lot rarer than it looks. The loudest are not necessarily the majority.
On that note, I wonder if that logic works if the -ism you accuse them of is based on a word they use as neutral. Turning the plates on them sounds like it could make someone notice if they are being irrational.
Clearly they subcontract groups from the underground to dig up embarrasing photographs of every contender and evaluate them on that basis! :3
Not that Kobolds ever do that, nope! It's the mole people, honest! >_>
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2012-03-21, 09:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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I got VAC banned in COD: Ghosts for using an FOV changer.
I try not to think of how sad that is.
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2012-03-21, 09:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Well she doesn't mean anything by it, and she wasn't requiring it, I was like "sure, I'll let you know if that happens..."
I mean I'm homoromantic and ever so slightly bisexual, like a 5.99 at the least, so I still acknowledge the whole right person thing, but it won't happen anytime until I am already happily settled with a partner and have no need to explore my sexual endeavors, I won't be able to love her, and thus I identify as gay.
She's a weird person, but I've become rather desensitized to her. She's said things I would punch other people for, but I know it's just part of her (Name censored to maintain anonymity)-ness.
Her and one of my secondary best friends have said some great stuff...
Me: I'm not a puppy...
Male secondary best friend: Then stop acting like a Bitch!
After her getting the fold of my jeans during "The Nervous Game"
Female best friend: now I have to see you naked, in a totally nonsexual way.
Me: why?
Male secondary best friend: to make sure that gay people are people too!
My lunch table is great!
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2012-03-21, 09:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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2012-03-21, 01:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
... I came to appreciate that mountains make poor receptacles for dreams.
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2012-03-21, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I think you should go, Nope. If you've got the spoons* for it. If you can make your point in a very non-confrontational way, it might help, or at least make them aware that they are excluding allies. I'd say if it gets aggressive though, just leave. You can't waste your time trying to fix everyone.
*If you don't read the link (everyone should read that story, though!) it explains that you can imagine being well as having an infinite supply of "spoons" (or anything else that's a metaphor for energy) and having a long-term illness or disability (or something else that makes every day a struggle) is like having only a handful, that you have to dish out and be careful with.
This is why we should use "sexualorientationism"! It's broader and covers all kinds of things that "homophobia" doesn't, like bi people, straight people, people with fluid sexualities! Does asexuality count as a sexual orientation? I mean, it's not an orientation per se. It's like 0 isn't a number. People who don't identify as any particular gender; that's still a gender identity. That's where that would go. So I think asexuality would also be covered. It could be interpreted to, certainly.
Also, I just had a great thought! Orientation is a FANTASTIC word for that. It's not an immutable rule. It's not a switch. It doesn't actually tell you who a person would find attractive. It's an orientation. They're oriented towards, say, men. They're looking at men when they're choosing. Maybe they've got a narrow orientation "I am going precisely 10.5 degrees manward" - just masculine men - or a broad, general "that way ish?" - men, mannish people, biological males, whatever. It's a great word!
Well done!
Also, I wasn't around, but if you're still concerned about not being entitled to female things; what makes you entitled to male ones? Biological sex, or time spent using them? No, because a trans person is just as entitled as a cis person. So the entitlement is from your identity. And your identity is completely legitimate.
I would say, if you think you might swing back again towards male, watch out for things like websites not letting you change your details multiple times and stuff like that.
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2012-03-21, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-21, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
My only real objection would be that "sexualorientationism" is truly horrible in terms of aesthetics. It assaults both my eyes and my ears, and it even tastes strange when I say it. I think I would probably avoid it for those reasons even if it were in common use.
Edit: That was probably a bit overdramatic.Last edited by Nix Nihila; 2012-03-21 at 02:27 PM.
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2012-03-21, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-21, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I think the term is separationism and it has been practiced by various groups over the years. It's not an entirely stupid idea - the theory is that if you have no cishetero people there then the queer people will be able to talk without having to worry about the kyriarchy watching them. But it can also be taken too far, like when trans women are excluded from women's festivals because they're "really men".
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2012-03-21, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
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2012-03-21, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Indeed, not only do they create a harsh atmosphere where everyone's head is up each others' patoots, they also make themselves into hypocrites by responding to innocuous use with legitimate, serious insults and othering language.
And as for the people who think "insane" is a no-no word, well, by adopting it, they're not showing themselves off as being very wise. Hardly gets used to refer to the mentally ill at all anymore, and when it does, it's a rather unfortunately apt descriptor.
This is funny to me. Their blatantly offbase assumptions. While the original ones probably were, the people doing the grunt work in today's dictionaries could be anyone, especially online.
Society also probably couldn't function without the necessity of bonding with our parents and being social that is necessary to fulfill our need to learn how to be humans rather than having it be an innate thing.
...Why aren't they spayed and neutered?
You should probably go ahead and make the appointment today...
Err... That example is, in and of itself a stupid idea, or at least very much seems to be, as it is predicated on the laughable idea that there is some kind of ill will and intelligent force actively arrayed to promote kyriarchy rather than it being an unconscious byproduct of most people's existence.
Or there's no such thing as entitlement. That works too, I imagine.
Has Nope ever given any indication of having a shortage of cutlery?
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2012-03-21, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hey, I didn't create the word. I just know its definition.
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2012-03-21, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re Spoon theory:
The only issue I have with that is that healthy people don't really have infinite spoons either. They just have way more than the disabled/ill person. I think it's more like... a flashlight battery. It recharges when you rest, but sick/disabled people have bad batteries that work less and charge less. A healthy person not resting and overworking, though, will soon have less and less charge at the start of the day.
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2012-03-21, 05:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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I like how he put that.
(It's also funny how it kind of sounds like an optimistic version of something Lovecraft would've said. )
How did therapy go?
Well, maybe not the laughing bit in this case. The problem is that it's seen as such a reasonable thing to ask of someone, when in reality it's kind of... Well, there are unfortunate implications across the board. :/
Fortunately genitalia and gonads don't have feelings or awareness themselves.
Or else we'd be in a lot worse shape than we already are.
Indeed... At times I catch myself imagining the hypothetical storms of excrement that will go down once science figures it out, and just what people who will refuse to acknowledge it will say instead.
*Hugs* Actually, that's pretty close to what I experienced... Er, am still experiencing. Still not sure how I'd feel about having the other set. :/
*Facepalm*
*Hugs*
I want to say "yeah" - hopefully she can listen long enough to hear what's wrong with her assumptions. Even if she doesn't then, she might relent enough to if you persist over a couple more meetings (my precariously-balanced hat is off to you if you're patient enough for that).
It could mean 'something that is of the opinion that the sexes are opposite'.
I'm not too fond of how people use "insane". I've heard it used to dismiss the opinions of others far too many times.
The word itself, I'm indifferent to. It roots in some rather unfortunate cultural assumptions, but there are pretty unhealthy courses of action. :shrug:
Society also probably couldn't function without the necessity of bonding with our parents and being social that is necessary to fulfill our need to learn how to be humans rather than having it be an innate thing.
Also, a lot of morals actually make sense from a purely-logical standpoint (murder disrupts society, politeness can disarm arguments, etc.).
...Why aren't they spayed and neutered?
You should probably go ahead and make the appointment today...
It's worth noting that they won't get pregnant that way - his cats are male.
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2012-03-21, 05:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Neutered then. Though if you wanted to take umbrage at encouraging responsible pet ownership, I suppose you could.
I think you just sailed clear over my point, Arachu.
Not in my neck of the woods. And that's all the more reason to make it clear to people how unacceptable it is.
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2012-03-21, 05:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
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2012-03-21, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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I just hate how it's seen as perfectly acceptable to sterilize something on the grounds that you don't plan to breed it. Especially considering the whole "purebreed" concept... :/
I think you just sailed clear over my point, Arachu.
Not in my neck of the woods. And that's all the more reason to make it clear to people how unacceptable it is.
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2012-03-21, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Most of the time it's better to sterilize them rather then keeping them pent up from sexual frustration and in addition to that many animals become quite aggressive if they don´t get to release that frustration.
For example rats. I wouldn't want to hold a non-castrated 6 month old male rat no matter how cutesy wutesy his little wittle scrump frumpy face is.Last edited by pffh; 2012-03-21 at 06:03 PM.
"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
Thank you Geomancer for the Death avatar.
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You like overpopulation of cats, the cruelty shown to strays, and that we have to kill them off? Then spaying and neutering pets and strays is the lesser of two evils. That it makes male cats more tractable and generally develop a more amicable personality is just a fringe benefit.
You interpreted noting that humans have to learn how to be human from those who raise them and their early educators in a way that hating your parents was somehow relevant. Considering you can talk, read, and use the internet, you learned how to be a human rather than growing up feral or raised by a non-human.
True, though with that kind of relationship, certain licenses can be assumed and used or discarded at one's discretion anyway.
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2012-03-21, 06:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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I didn't get the article from your link for some reason. Did you mean this one? 'Cause I kind of agree with bluewind; we have more spoons, but not infinite spoons. Say you have twelve a day, I probably have forty-eight or something like that.
Or like when legitimate allies are excluded from any kind of movement.
*checks drawer*
In fact, I only have two spoons. But I have a couple of forks too. Can those count as honorary spoons?
So, I decided to take the advice of a friend whose judgement I trust over my own. He's a sensible kind of guy. I'm not going to the thesis shindig tonight (which is kind of obvious as I'm typing this because it started forty-five minutes ago), but I am going to email the girl about my concerns*. I feel like that might be a better way of going about it anyway considering how little chance I got to speak last time, and I don't have much patience for being called an ******* without being allowed to state my case (that was a different girl, not the thesis one). I also don't feel up to arguing the case that asexual counts as "queer" and that we're underrepresented; I'm kind of tired today after moving all my furniture yesterday and sleeping poorly last night. Started out with a dozen fewer spoons that usual, but at least I'm aware that I'm fortunate enough to have those spoons to spare.
*(And I'm going to apologise for last time too; I later found out that they had allowed guys in for the first half hour and then made them leave so the girls could have a safe space, which is better than what I thought with the partial information I acted on. I still kind of disagree with that, ideally, but the world isn't an ideal place and I can sort of understand not wanting to talk about more personal aspects of one's sexuality around the opposite sex, though honestly I personally wouldn't want to talk about personal things of any sort around strangers or near-strangers of the same sex.)Jude P.
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2012-03-21, 06:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not saying that I do like those things, only that I don't like the lesser evil either. But what offends me is that it's not seen as being that bad. We don't "fix" preteens, after all.
You interpreted noting that humans have to learn how to be human from those who raise them and their early educators in a way that hating your parents was somehow relevant. Considering you can talk, read, and use the internet, you learned how to be a human rather than growing up feral or raised by a non-human.
... Okay, yeah, that's not your original point. Still, though. :shrug:
(Also, I don't think I know how to use the Internet so much as I know how to type and use Google. )
True, though with that kind of relationship, certain licenses can be assumed and used or discarded at one's discretion anyway.
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2012-03-21, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
They are, and they're both male. I've mentioned my gay cats, have I not?
Well they were raised in seperate homes. We only got one after we got the other, and there was an unspayed female in the neighborhood. As a security precaution, we had him neutered. Otherwise we may have had a bunch of tiny little squealing Siamese kittens.Last edited by Triscuitable; 2012-03-21 at 06:47 PM.
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I try not to think of how sad that is.
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Today was a good day, aside from the complete lack of work achieved. I got a lovely new skirt and top (pics will be forthcoming when I have better light, assuming I remember), and got invited on a girls' night in!
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