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2012-10-27, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
Welcome one and all to the ninth Zinc Saucier challenge, where Playgrounders come to test their skill in the art of beautiful and bizarre (and bizarrely beautiful) builds.
The challenge? To come up with a build that has the same abilities and feel as the Secret Ingredient WITHOUT actually using it!
For the ninth challenge get ready to fire it up in the competition where the candle is burning from both ends, the Pyrokineticist!
Our challengers will have about 2 weeks to build a complete build from levels 1-20 using a 32 point buy and all official 3.5 material (excluding dragon magazine, but including any WOTC online enhancements) with the abilities and feel of a Pyrokineticist without actually using any levels in it.
Entries must be submitted by Saturday, 11:59pm GMT, 17 November, 2012.
Contestants will be judged and awarded a score out of 5 in each of 5 categories;
* Innovation (Uniqueness in character concept, race, class, etc)
* Power (How powerful and versatile it is compared to the base class)
* Elegance (What can only be described as how well the build "flows", i.e not using lots of 1-2lv dips, sacrificing flavour for power or using flaws)
* Fluff (How well the characters back-stories and classes mesh)
* Ingredient (How well the build captures the abilities and feel of the base class)
Presentation would be best in the style of how the iron chef does their presentations, however any style is allowed so long as it is clear on how the build was made.
Recommended style:SpoilerNAME OF ENTRY
{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features
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For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage). For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list, similar to this:
SpoilerSpells per day/Spells Known
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Please do not post details of your build on the board before it is ready, so as not to spoil the surprise for others.
Sauciers may submit as many builds as they want but please don't use leadership, as we dont want to overfeed the judges.
Entries should be submitted via private message to the chairman.
Previous challenges;
A few administrative notes:Originally Posted by Iron Chef Chairman
Also it comes with double prize money.
Allez Sauciers!Last edited by mattie_p; 2012-11-10 at 06:02 PM.
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2012-10-28, 01:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
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2012-10-28, 06:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-30, 08:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
I wont be able to submit any builds this time, but I should be able to judge
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2012-10-30, 08:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
Also, the end of the 4th paragraph references Warblade when I think you meant Pyrokineticist.
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2012-10-30, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
I will be interested to see if any of the contestants can find a way around the class's one crippling weakness... Immunity to Fire = Immunity to this class.
I've never seen a mechanically relevant build use more than four levels of this class. It'll be interesting to see what people come up with.SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
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2012-10-30, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-08, 05:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
So bumpity bump, been dead in this thread. Anyone competing?
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2012-11-10, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
Yeah, so Pyrokineticest is apparently not going to happen. 3 Hours or so from submission deadline and there are no entries. Sorry, Zinc Saucier fans, but looks like this is going to perish.
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2012-11-10, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
Dammit. I saw this and had an immediate idea.
You say three hours, but the deadline says tomorrow? Which is it?
Edit: ok, it says Saturday the 11th, I see my confusion. You said the deadline was today?Last edited by Techwarrior; 2012-11-10 at 05:46 PM.
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2012-11-10, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-10, 06:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
Yeah, my original post was all kinds of messed up. I'll extend the deadline to Saturday, 17 November, 2359 GMT. Hopefully we'll drum up some interest. If you have an entry, please submit. Thanks
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2012-11-10, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm going to participate. It's my first time! I have something in mind, already working it up.
Edit: Now how on earth do I make those tables...Last edited by Aegis013; 2012-11-10 at 06:54 PM.
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2012-11-15, 11:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
So we had one entry a few days ago. Any more? You have a good chance of finishing in the top 3!
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2012-11-16, 12:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hopefully other contestants will join. I've never seen a Zinc Saucier competition go so unloved.
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2012-11-16, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm almost done with my entry, should be turned in later tonight
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2012-11-16, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
Glad to hear it. Any others? Got about 24 hours left.
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
I had a couple of ideas, but nothing which panned out as an actual viable build. The main problem with the actual Pyromancer, FI = Immunity to Me, has only a very few ways to be solved, none of which would be very interesting to me.
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Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
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2012-11-17, 01:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
Remember that you are not actually a pyromancer, just someone who is (hopefully) more useful while replicating the abilities.
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2012-11-17, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
Right, but if you aren't using Fire damage, you're pretty much Doing It Wrong, and bypassing Fire Immunity is only possible through a very limited number of venues, none of which seemed interesting to me. The only builds I could come up with were either trite, low originality, or already known cheese.
SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2012-11-18, 04:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
Time for the reveal. I delayed almost a day past the official reveal, and I am glad I did so, as we have another competitor. Please stand by.
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Originally Posted by Ervan Karenth
Two entries this time. If there are any volunteer judges out there, I'm sure our potential sauciers would love to see them. On your mark, get set, judge!Blank 3.5 Character Creator Iron Chef Style Tables (in Google Sheets)
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2012-11-18, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
I'm judging this time, when should I have it done by?
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2012-11-18, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-18, 07:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yea, I'd figured. Searing Spell is one of the ways to bypass immunities, and swordsage with JPM is the obvious go-to for this sort of thing.
The other option would have been Hellfire Warlock, which is known cheese, but at least it fits the flavor and bypasses fire immunity.SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2012-11-18, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-18, 08:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
Considering the two builds are virtually identical, there's not much to judge. The second is a bit more flexible but lower caster level (due to Master of Nine levels), the former has a higher caster level, but somewhat less flexibility due to being Sorcerer based. Of course, given that the PrC being emulated is about as inflexible as they come, that's not necessarily a disadvantage in this case.
Snowcasting was a cute trick for throwing on an elemental flavor (which is conveniently converted to Fire by the glaringly obvious Elemental Savant dip) to spells like Disintegrate. I'll give it that. However, that seems to be the primary point of divergence.SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2012-11-18, 08:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
I'll vouch that the two builds are submitted by different competitors. Should you choose to judge, feel free. If not, that's ok too, we'll find a way to scrape by.
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2012-11-24, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
Do we have any judges for this competition? You don't earn anything except for our undying appreciation.
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2012-11-25, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 9: The fires of Hell have nothing on me
I'm almost done judging