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2011-06-15, 11:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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is this borked?
greetings,
a player of mine has fallen in love with the duskblade, but, not having access to the book it's in, any questions he has are directed through me.
he asked if duskblades could channel spells through ranged weapons.
I checked. they can not. Arcane Channelling explicitly states "melee attack"
however.
I became curious.
is it obscenely unbalancing/broken to allow a Duskblade to channel through a ranged weapon?
why or why not?
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2011-06-16, 12:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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I am by no means an expert, but when I read that two words did pop right into my mind.
Siege Weaponry.Last edited by Arundel; 2011-06-16 at 12:14 AM.
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2011-06-16, 12:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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I approve of the mental image of channelling disintegrate through a ballista.
allow me to amend my initial statement.
"this would obviously be restricted to MAN PORTABLE WEAPONS such as bows, crossbows, slings, etc."
also, any shenanigans on the part of the player will result in DMG throwing...
but in the group this guy's in I honestly don't see that being a problem.
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2011-06-16, 12:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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I wouldn't think so. They don't have anything that's ridiculously powerful, so switching the method of delivery from melee to ranged shouldn't be an issue.
If you really feel that it's overpowering you could always turn it into an ACF, or simply switch the class around so that they can only use those abilities with ranged attacks.
Hmmm that's not a half bad idea. Duskbow. I likes it!
As an aside have you looked at the Pathfinder Arcane Archer? It's pretty nice.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/p...aneArcher.html
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2011-06-16, 12:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe thrown weapon, or you could just go into bloodstorm blade (or whatever the PrC is).
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2011-06-16, 12:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-17, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-17, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-17, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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If siege weaponry is not available, what about flinging party members or enemies? I mean, they are man-portable, right? They got there on their own power. Or put the halfling into your backpack in the first place.
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2011-06-17, 01:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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The only ways I know to do that by RAW are Bloodstorm Blade and and Arcane Archer, and the latter is a trap.
Bloodstorm's thrown attacks count as melee, meaning you can channel like normal. Arcane Archer would use it's own mechnic, which is relatively similar. Niether is particularly good for what you are trying accomplish, since BSB requires a decent investment in warblade, Arcane Archer sucks, and neither PRC advances your spell casting. BSB does advance your maneuvers and such, but I'm guessing you would rather keep your caster levels.
That just reminds me of my favorite boss fight that I have ever run. An ogre with fling ally, and the ally was a goblin swordsage who's armorspikes were enchanted with throwing and returning.
As far as allowing a player to have the ability to arcane channel through a bow, that's probably fine, but you should either charge a feat, brew a 1 lvl prc, brew an ACF, or give the other players some sort of minor boon. Example: I had a swordsage who really wanted access to iron heart discipline, he got that, the dread necro (who had arcane disciple: magic domain) got the domain power, and the psion got +1ml(but no PP or powers) on levels that psion uncarnate did not advance manifesting.Last edited by Darth Stabber; 2011-06-17 at 01:50 PM.
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2011-06-17, 02:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-17, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-17, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know Telonius, this seems dubious at best; "becomes useless" seems to imply that the gnome would have had to have been useful at some point before that, so I don't think they can quite qualify by RAW ...
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2011-06-17, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-17, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe it means the gnome can't be flung again? The inability to be flung is a pretty big hit to the race.
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2011-06-17, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-17, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-17, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Given their extremely poor selection of touch spells, no. If they can get access to sorcerer/wizard/cleric spells via Chameleon/Sublime Chord/Arcanamach/Ur-Priest, then you may be cooking with a bit more awesomesauce.
However, it would be trivially easy to slip in a level of Warblade followed by two levels of Bloodstorm Blade to pick up Thunderous Throw: swift action to treat all your ranged thrown weapon attacks as melee attacks.Last edited by Darrin; 2011-06-17 at 03:43 PM.
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2011-06-17, 03:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd say it isn't obscenely unbalancing. If I recall correctly, Duskblades can't do anything particularly impressive anyway, so letting them do it from ten feet away seems harmless enough.
I was under the impression that bows were generally inferior anyway, so switching to a lower damage yield delivery method might be a step down in terms of pure power, although being able to target anyone on the battlefield would be a step up for versatility.Avatar by K penguin. Sash by Damned1rishman.
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2011-06-17, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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I played a duskblade that channeled through a bow. The DM allowed me to burn a feat to switch from melee to ranged. It wasn't amazingly powerful and caused no balance issues at all. Was a fun character that fit in just fine with the rest of the party.
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2011-06-17, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-17, 06:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Actually disintegrate is a ranged touch attack, and thus not a valid target. You could do Vampiric Touch on the ballista, but that doesn't really do much...
And using it on siege weapons isn't really overpowering, as they need to get the siege weapons in the first place... and then it's only a small boost.
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2011-06-17, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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I get the feeling the DM in question does not wish to encourage them to get siege weaponry, possibly veering away from the plot to do so.
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2011-06-18, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-18, 06:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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The best answer is always to ask your DM.
Unless you're the DM, in which case you should talk to your players.
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2011-06-18, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-18, 06:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-18, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Give it the same caveat as sneak attack: Can be used with a melee or ranged weapon as long as the target is within 30'.
No siege weapons, but he can hit from range.
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2011-06-18, 08:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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