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2011-07-22, 09:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Darths And Droids 2: Should've Gone to Naboo
The more likely explanation is that Palpatine knew he couldn't beat Mace, and was only trying to hold him off as long as possible until Anakin arrived. And he knew Anakin would come.
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2011-07-22, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Depends on what id have to gain from throwing the fight. Lets look at it logically, 9 times out of 10, if someone surrenders, a jedi will accept that surrender. So if all palpy did was fight a defensive battle after killing all of maces support, he could hold out until anakin got there and bring us to the moment of truth. If worse came to worse, he could have surrendered and set up the choice in another way.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
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2011-07-22, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-22, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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How? This is my issue.
I'm not saying it's completely unbelievable it could happen, bt from the way the duel was going, I can't see how it would. It seems to me those making the film didn't know either, so they just had it happen off-screen.
No, it was a draw. Neither of them beat the other, and by the end both were disarmed and fairly worn out. This doesn't really match up to Yoda declaring he's failed and must go into exile. There's nothing to stop him trying again tomorrow.
Actually he won, but then there was a sudden reversal brought about by the arrival of Anakin. Which, given Anakin's allegiances were blurry at that point, could be seen as playing the system. By turning up to support Mace, he ensured Palpatine's victory. By helping Palpatine, he ensured his victory even more!"'But there's still such a lot to be done...'
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2011-07-22, 05:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Darths And Droids 2: Should've Gone to Naboo
No, it was a draw. Neither of them beat the other, and by the end both were disarmed and fairly worn out. This doesn't really match up to Yoda declaring he's failed and must go into exile. There's nothing to stop him trying again tomorrow."Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
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2011-07-22, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Darths And Droids 2: Should've Gone to Naboo
Alternatively, Yoda could have felt that a two-on-one fight was "dishonorable"
and worse, as a Jedi Master bringing a subordinate along smacked too much of "the Sith way." Rememeber the Sith always came in pairs - Master and Apprentice, so I can see him declaring "That the Jedi way is not!" Proving once again the whole Jedi Order is Lawful Stupid.ChowGuy - The LaChoy Dragon - Servant of the Tiger and disciple of the Wanderer
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2011-07-22, 11:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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I thought I read somewhere that Puppeteen became as powerful as he did by making a lot of clones of himself and absorbing their essences (as well as a whole lot of people that he killed), that it was the equivalent of living a hundred lifetimes or something to that effect. That's probably just an EU exaggeration, but we know from ROTS that he and his master before him were concerned with longevity and avoiding death. I imagine the combination of that and the cloning wasn't accidental.
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2011-07-23, 05:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Darths And Droids 2: Should've Gone to Naboo
Well, except the jedi have a padawaan with them most of the time (or that's what Obi-wan and Qui-Gon made us believe) and do fight in pairs about as often as not. Palpatine as the evil emperor was the far bigger threat to the galaxy so they should have focused on him. Anakin wouldn't have been an issue afterwards, probably.
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2011-07-23, 07:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Thats actually a good point. At that part of the story, anakin wasnt much more than a rogue jedi. Hell, he was in the process of shutting down the entire evil rebellion. He didnt have the capability of being more than a dangerous single person, since he didnt have the intelligence to try and take control, the connections to pull it off, or the allies to protect him from retribution.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
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2011-07-23, 07:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Exactly. Anakin wasn't in any official position of power. He led troops into the temple, sure, but his function at this time seems to have been more like an assassin (see Mustafar). If the Emperor had been defeated Anakin's right to power would have been dubious at best. Yoda and Obi-Wan (who is also said to be one of the order's best fighters, according to the EU) should have focused on Palpatine together. They had the element of surprise. Yoda came close to beating Palpatine on his own. Obi-Wan has had unique experience battling a Sith (both Maul and Dooku) so he would be aware of what they are capable of to an extent that the other Jedi who Sidious took down were not.
When fighting Mace and the other Jedi, Palpatine seems to make a Force Scream while spinning through the air. In the EU Force Scream has the ability to break an opponent's concentration and control over the Force temporarily. It clearly broke through the mental defenses of all the Jedi except Mace Windu. However, I think Obi-Wan has learned from his encounters with Sith that concentration and patience is key to victory (he learned this in his fight against Maul and tried to remind Anakin of this against Dooku). I suspect that Obi-Wan would have sufficient focus to withstand a Force Scream. Obi-Wan would then be able to face Palpatine as a swordsman only slightly less powerful than Mace Windu - this coupled with Yoda's help would have been too much for Palpatine too withstand.
On its own, the movie doesn't work, and I think even in EU terms its logic doesn't work."And yet, will we ever come to an end of discussion and talk if we think we must always reply to replies? For replies come from those who either cannot understand what is said to them, or are so stubborn and contentious that they refuse to give in even if they do understand." - St. Augustine
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2011-07-23, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Had they concentrated on palpatine, anakin would have been left adrift. He had only just made his choice. He was no longer a jedi, but he had no idea on how to be a sith. He wouldnt have even known where to BEGIN finding sith techniques, let alone the one he went evil for, a way to save padme. Im seeing a blind rage berserker anakin going around trying to kill everyone he blames for costing padme her life. (if she died) Im also picturing him dying quickly, as he is jedi trained, and blind rage doesnt work too well for them. As a fully trained sith he would know how to use it, but he isnt a trained sith, so it would make him weak and easily killed.
Or he would be sort of another Aurra Sing. A bounty hunter with jedi training. Constantly being hunted by the jedi order for his massacre of the younglings, and hunted by the entire republic for the same reasons. But I tend to think he would only go that route if he survived his blind rage reaction to learning that palpatine is dead."Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
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2011-07-24, 04:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Obi-Wan's expression at the end of today's strip was fantastic.
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2011-07-24, 07:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-24, 07:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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He posted before the strip was up, so yeah, one strip behind.
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2011-07-24, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh god, I think he has caught the Grievous infection. If he starts talking about butterflys and such, I may have to root for obi wan to win.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2011-07-24, 08:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-24, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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You know, Jim has played a girl eight times now, counting all the Episode 50 joke comics. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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2011-07-24, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wow, just wow. I love how they put the images with Annie's speech to perfection. Excellent work.
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2011-07-24, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Jim tends to be given roles where the canonical character's demeanour is anything but the enthusiastic shoot-first-ask-questions-later-and-on-a-totally-unrelated-topic persona that Jim's characters tend to have, though often characters who do get action parts later in the film/series. Most of such being female makes sense, methinks.
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2011-07-24, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh I'm not complaining, I think it's hilarious and you're right, it does make sense. I just think it's noteworthy since Jim is the worst roleplayer of the bunch, yet he's often doing what's regarded as one of the most difficult things to pull off successfully, which is playing a character of the opposite sex.
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2011-07-24, 07:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-24, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-24, 09:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-25, 12:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-25, 12:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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For some reason, I have a feeling that we won't be seeing Annie much after Episode III. It seems like the plot's building up to the "Annie/Anakin getting pissed at Jim/Padme" climax both IC and OOC, with the whole pregnancy thing.
Now that I think about it, that doesn't seem right, but it's my gut reaction that Annie leaves the group.
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2011-07-25, 02:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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If Ben is to play Obi-Wan in the original trilogy, then him switching to Leia makes the most sense - she is the one who joins the main party as it is when he dies. Then again, she is the first main character to pop up, so I guess her being a PC from the start makes a certain amount of sense. Of course, who's to say that we won't get some new players somewhere along the line?
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2011-07-25, 02:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm... That does seem quite fitting. But which characters should be PCs? R2-D2 is an easy one, as Pete already plays him and he'd be returning. I'm not sure that Sally would return to playing C3PO or that she would play any of the characters I can think of. Jim playing Leia would be pretty hilarious, though he could also play Han and be in-character. I feel like Obi-Wan will be an NPC and they'll later find out that he's supposed to be Ben's character from earlier, though Ben could play him again and get transferred to another character after he gets killed. That leaves too many characters not getting played... I mean, Han and Chewwy are both playable in addition to the 5 characters already mentioned, and I think Han definitely has to be a PC.
I feel like Leia would be a fine NPC for Episode IV, as she barely does anything in that movie that requires being a PC. She does spend the first part of the movie captured and the last part hoping everyone else will succeed, which would be pretty boring to RP.
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2011-07-25, 05:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think Jim would be a good Leia, with her blasting stuff all the time even though she's a princess vibe.
Ben should be Obi-Wan at least for the first film. After that... I don't know.
Pete should remain R2D2.
Sally, I suspect, will be C3PO.
Annie will be Vader? Or Luke?
Not sure who should be Han. Maybe there will be a new player?"And yet, will we ever come to an end of discussion and talk if we think we must always reply to replies? For replies come from those who either cannot understand what is said to them, or are so stubborn and contentious that they refuse to give in even if they do understand." - St. Augustine
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2011-07-25, 05:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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I disagree. We've been assuming for a long time that the end of Ep3, where the characters all end up against one another, is mirrored by the players all turning against one another. However, some of the more recent strips have suggested that, in fact, Ben, Annie and Jim are all enjoying the imminent player vs. player conflict.
My guess is that Annie and Ben have a really good time playing out Obi-Wan and Anakin's climactic battle (judging by all the ridiculous stunts that they pull), and that Padme's death will not be something that Jim can blame on Annie - maybe she chokes on poisonous fumes rather than it being Anakin's direct fault.The Lazy GM series. Lovingly crafted pre-gen monsters for Pathfinder and OGL d20 fantasy.