League of Legends XXVI: We've officially jumped the shark

**Silverraptor** · 2011-11-26, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)

League of Legends XXVI:
We've officially jumped the shark

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**Daverin** · 2011-11-26, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)

I guess my only major question about Sivir is this: Will she at least be able to handle the 500 range? Seriously, that is what is grabbing me the most. Not her W, not her base stat nerfs. No, it is the subpar carry range. Can she deal with it? If yes, fine, she'll be fine, because she can build carry and has an AS steroid along with something that boosts the occasional autoattack, like Vayne does (although Vayne's hits the single target much harder.) Except those precious units are a big deal, at all phases in the game, and I am worried that arbitrarily thinking her kit somehow lets her handle being that close in a game fraught with gap closers and CC is going to backfire miserably. If she can't, it doesn't matter how much better her single target is, because all that matters is how it can perform relative to other carries.

Then again, Metagolem. That actually sounds like it would just be pretty cool on her. Although as 9mm put it, if she still relies more on the AoE for damage it could be a trap.

**Terazul** · 2011-11-26, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Terazul

I know it's a little late in the thread to get reviews on this, but basically I've been somewhat miffed about the current state of one of my favorite champions, and wanted to type something up to toss over in the LoL forums. Was wondering if anyone here would bother to give it a read before I do to see if anything stands out/anything I should cover more?

Just right over here if you want to take a look.

It ends kind of abruptly, so I'm planning on adding a summary/tl;dr, but I'm honestly not sure what else it needs. I could probably offer some suggestions as to fixes, but having trouble with that.

Just gonna repost this here while getting my checkmark for the new thread. Zooom.

**tribble** · 2011-11-26, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)

Someone in the last thread was talking about the very long range on Sivir's Q. It needs to hit twice to deal decent damage and its like the slowest skillshot ever.

**Daverin** · 2011-11-26, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)

Okay, now this is good news: a Riot engineer has stated that they are planning to toughen up the AIR code.

Also, new Xerath passive is in testing phase internally.

**Dogmantra** · 2011-11-26, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by tribble

Someone in the last thread was talking about the very long range on Sivir's Q. It needs to hit twice to deal decent damage and its like the slowest skillshot ever.

If you hit with the very edge, it actually hits three times and deals ridiculous damage.

**Morph Bark** · 2011-11-26, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)

And for a moment I thought the title would become "Will it Fizz, or will it bang?"

**9mm** · 2011-11-26, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by guinsoo

I think the critical balancing point for the new Ricochet, both for champion balance and maintaining feel, is the cooldown. I do believe there is a number that allows Ricochet to feel great in lane against enemy champions, still allows her to be an AoE terror in team fights (remember Ricochet now has bonus damage; it's dealing more damage to all targets), still clears waves well, and most importantly still feels like Ricochet. There is a cooldown where the total DPS of Ricochet is the same compared to the old one. I know this is something we've got our eye firmly on.

hope restored, if slightly. It's probably about 2 secs.

**Daverin** · 2011-11-26, 05:34 PM (ISO 8601)

Oh? Well, that changes it up a bit. Now I am much more hopeful for this.

Now if only she were the one getting a model change too!

**Mtg_player_zach** · 2011-11-26, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)

They are increasing sivir's range...and people are complaining?

. Wat?

Also, Jungle changes. I think its going to promote ganking less and just farming all day. Champs like Yi or Nocturne or some AD carry, are just going to farm jungle and cover lanes. Come out of the jungle midgame on par with solo's with little risk. Obviously you can be counterjungled (and I sure plan on counterjungling), but I think there are going to be more farm all day junglers than we previously saw. Health sigils are going to be interesting. I can see handing them off to mid lane. Should be easy to counterjungle though by just taking the sigil dudes). Also, mid taking wraiths or wolves should happen more now. Bot lane should start in the jungle. No reason not too. Gonna see mid and top helping jungle with leash at the same time bot lane takes mini golems. I think there will be some alright choices, but I'm not sure how I feel about it until I see just what they have done with the respawn timers, and how much health these sigil things give.

**TechnOkami** · 2011-11-26, 06:29 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Daverin

Oh? Well, that changes it up a bit. Now I am much more hopeful for this.

Now if only she were the one getting a model change too!

I don't remember her model being too terrible. The only champion who I can think of off the top of my head who I personally think needs a new model + animation is Warwick...

**Penguinizer** · 2011-11-26, 06:34 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Mtg_player_zach

They are increasing sivir's range...and people are complaining?

. Wat?

It's the fact that they turned her Ricochet into a oneshot effect. The one skill that more or less defined her play style.

**9mm** · 2011-11-26, 06:34 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Mtg_player_zach

They are increasing sivir's range...and people are complaining?

. Wat?

they changed ricochet, which was originally stated to have net decrease in dps, though Guinsoo has finally stated that it's possible to reach old sivir dps levels.

**Daverin** · 2011-11-26, 06:35 PM (ISO 8601)

Warwick? I think he looks fine, really. I suppose a champ I REALLY think needs a model rework is Yi, because dem feet. I also feel like Kat could find a remodel to be good, because somewhere along the lines she just seems to choppy (esp with the hair.) Also Morgana.

**TechnOkami** · 2011-11-26, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Daverin

Warwick? I think he looks fine, really. I suppose a champ I REALLY think needs a model rework is Yi, because dem feet. I also feel like Kat could find a remodel to be good, because somewhere along the lines she just seems to choppy (esp with the hair.) Also Morgana.

If we're going for feet too, throw Nidalee & her cougar into the mix. I actually think Yi looks ok, and the only other one who might be in need of some kind of model change would be Amumu.

I agree with you on Kat though. Not too sure about Morgana though.

**term1nally s1ck** · 2011-11-26, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by 9mm

they changed ricochet, which was originally stated to have net decrease in dps, though Guinsoo has finally stated that it's possible to reach old sivir dps levels.

No, he said that they can balance her by changing that cooldown. There's a certain cooldown where it's the same dps as it was before, and that's what they're working around.

If you get CDR, you're fine.

As for the Q, it's faster than cait's Q to cast. And cait will land at least a few of those in general, and they're guaranteed with a taric or alistar.

**Eurus** · 2011-11-26, 07:41 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by term1nally s1ck

If you get CDR, you're fine.

Yeah, but CDR is kind of hard to itemize on AD champs without Ghostblade.

**LordShotGun** · 2011-11-26, 07:53 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Eurus

Yeah, but CDR is kind of hard to itemize on AD champs without Ghostblade.

With the new masteries CDR is quite a bit easier to spec on AD champions without losing the tastiest cap masteries.

**Gourtox** · 2011-11-26, 07:53 PM (ISO 8601)

So in a blog I just started I decided to make the first post about LoL. I want to make sure I didn't mess anything up so I thought I'd run it by the experts. http://fromagamersmind.wordpress.com/
So what do you guys think?

**Daverin** · 2011-11-26, 07:55 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by LordShotGun

With the new masteries CDR is quite a bit easier to spec on AD champions without losing the tastiest cap masteries.

Eh, only true if going 21 in defense. Which is completely reasonable for just about anybody, mind, but CDR in offense is still somewhat hard to obtain for an AD unless going beyond 21 points.

**dgnslyr** · 2011-11-26, 07:59 PM (ISO 8601)

Yes, but is it enough to reach that magical, delicious, 40%? Then again, if you plan on playing her as a ranged tanky dps, which I've been hearing about, then it's not so hard to find tanky CDR items. Stuff like Frozen Heart and Shurelia's are pretty delicious CDR items. If you're going for a glass cannon AD carry build, then I guess Ionian boots are a must, as is the Ghostblade. Ionians + Ghostblade + masteries is almost definitely 40%.

**efdf** · 2011-11-26, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)

Just played 5 arranged 5s and they were all 20 minute surrenders...
really hope it doesn't end up a repeat of last season, with a dead ladder and walk over teams.

Originally Posted by Gourtox

So in a blog I just started I decided to make the first post about LoL. I want to make sure I didn't mess anything up so I thought I'd run it by the experts. http://fromagamersmind.wordpress.com/
So what do you guys think?

You should probably say the link at the end is a referral think, people can get really pissy when it feels like they were conned into helping you.

**Gourtox** · 2011-11-26, 08:55 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by efdf

You should probably say the link at the end is a referral think, people can get really pissy when it feels like they were conned into helping you.

Added the note and a regular register link.

On a side note I just played my first ARAM game and it was pretty fun. I got to be Cho'gath.

**Daverin** · 2011-11-26, 08:56 PM (ISO 8601)

Hey, apparently there is some drama about missy? Something about a tournament and administrating in it?

**toasty** · 2011-11-26, 08:57 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Eurus

Yeah, but CDR is kind of hard to itemize on AD champs without Ghostblade.

Brutalizer, CDR boots, CDR runes, Blue Buff, Frozen Heart, Shurelias, Spirit Visage, I can get 40% CDR on any AD Champion. I might end up being some sort of tanky-guy, but still got 40% CDR.

Also: Shurelias on Sivir would be awesome. Passive+Ult+Shurelias....

**Dogmantra** · 2011-11-26, 08:59 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by toasty

Also: Shurelias on Sivir would be awesome. Passive+Ult+Shurelias....

(hint: shurelia's is awesome on anyone because it is one of the best items in the game)

**TechnOkami** · 2011-11-26, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Gourtox

On a side note I just played my first ARAM game and it was pretty fun. I got to be Cho'gath.

What's an ARAM game?

**Daverin** · 2011-11-26, 09:01 PM (ISO 8601)

Okay, a Shurelia's would probably be a good method of CDR on an AD carry; you probably will lose damage, but gain good lane regen, GP/5 as Philos, some beefiness, CDR, and a way to spike your MS for repositioning. On Sivir? Yeah, that definitely sounds like it could work.

**toasty** · 2011-11-26, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Dogmantra

(hint: shurelia's is awesome on anyone because it is one of the best items in the game)

Hint: that's why I build it on anyone that enjoys CDR remotely.

@Ladders: Chaox already fears that Ranked 5s will be useless for high elo teams, which will then make it useless for everyone else. Except the Koreans, or something

TSM is leveling smurfs on EU to play in EU go4lols in an attempt to find regular scrim partners who aren't CLG/EG/Dig/Curse/MiG. (tho honestly, I think that if MiG and the other East Asian teams are willing to keep scrimming on NA then TSM should be okay. I guess with the advent of Local servers they are less inclined. And that leaves TSM with very few scrim partners. Basically, the people at MLG).

Riot needs to do two things: First of all, tell you who you are playing against IN CHAMPION SELECT. Playing against a team "blind" is useless at High Elo because bans at this point are almost 100% based on enemy team's strengths.

Secondly, Ranked needs to matter for tourements. Ranked teams need to get Circuit points and events like Go4LoLs, MLG, and IEM need to use Teams Ranked Elos to determine seedings. Etc. That would give everyone a reason to play in Ranked 5s, even teams like CLG.

**Daverin** · 2011-11-26, 09:07 PM (ISO 8601)

OOH, that was the missy drama. Apparently, she played Girls4Lol, which she organizes, loses to a team, has an informal IP check by Riot, finds some of the IPs associated with the team associated with known male players, and bans on those grounds. Apparently, while having Chauster carry her team in previous rounds.

Source: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/....php?t=1521159

No clue how accurate it is, but I do understand she is being criticized for some kind of cheating/abuse of her power. Also, she apparently claimed she is a better support than Elementz.

... So, yeah. Can these guys learn to not be so dramatic and antagonistic?

EDIT: Apparently, the above is not original source, this is: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflege...ith_girls4lol/

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