Avatar Battle Royale Discussion Thread XVIII

[BRC]

Hey, I have an alternate UNA navy logo here, just a slight change, wanted to see what people think.
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[CrimsonAngel]

What's with 3S? Um, that was a bolt. You know, because he has a crossbow.

[VampireRot]

What's with 3S? Um, that was a bolt. You know, because he has a crossbow.

The fact that it is a hand-crossbow bolt makes it quite tiny. Maybe launched from the actual crossbow it could be dangerous, but without the crossbow it is basically just a barbed needle.

[Lemming]

Hey, I have an alternate UNA navy logo here, just a slight change, wanted to see what people think.
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Good, except for the funny yellow triangle in the upper right hand corner and the black dot in the lower right hand corner. (yes I am just being nitpicky )

@Rot: Yes, vampires have energy drain which bestows 2 negative levels. For every level bestowed, you gain 5 hit points! Here.

[BRC]

Good, except for the funny yellow triangle in the upper right hand corner and the black dot in the lower right hand corner. (yes I am just being nitpicky )

@Rot: Yes, vampires have energy drain which bestows 2 negative levels. For every level bestowed, you gain 5 hit points! Here.

Yeah, that's not supposed to be there, it was just too close when I selected. Ignore it.

[Zerglinkeke]

The fact that it is a hand-crossbow bolt makes it quite tiny. Maybe launched from the actual crossbow it could be dangerous, but without the crossbow it is basically just a barbed needle.

Well i dont know if this is helping but a barbed needle to a Jugular vein, a cartoroid artery, or anywhere near the spine can easily cripple or stun you.

[BRC]

Well i dont know if this is helping but a barbed needle to a Jugular vein, a cartoroid artery, or anywhere near the spine can easily cripple or stun you.

But a barbed needle that isn't in one of those places just hurts a little. We don't know where he stabbed her, so it's likely he didn't hit anything critical.

[memnarch]

That's an interesting logo BRC.


Hurt/Heal updated again.

[Lyinginbedmon]

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Wait, do vampires actually have an energy drain? I'm not sure, but I think they do. (I don't have a monster manual or anything like that)

They do have an energy drain, but I don't think it works like you think it does.

Unless Roka the Paladin of Freedom is extremely low level.

[Keris]

They do have an energy drain, but I don't think it works like you think it does.

Unless Roka the Paladin of Freedom is extremely low level.

Energy Drain (Su): Living creatures hit by a vampire’s slam attack (or any other natural weapon the vampire might possess) gain two negative levels. For each negative level bestowed, the vampire gains 5 temporary hit points. A vampire can use its energy drain ability once per round.

Doesn't seem to be affected by levels by me. I doubt a touch attack counts as a natural weapon though...

[Emperor Ing]

They do have an energy drain, but I don't think it works like you think it does.

Unless Roka the Paladin of Freedom is extremely low level.

She thinks she's a paladin.

[Lyinginbedmon]

Doesn't seem to be affected by levels by me. I doubt a touch attack counts as a natural weapon though...

She appears to be paralysed, and if she was very low level a single energy drain would kill her, which could amount artistically to the paralysis, but either way it doesn't work the way it's being portrayed here.

[Nameless]

1. It adds a bit of realism. In real life, not everything has some point. In real life, you stub your toe and say 'ow.' In a movie, someone stubs their toe and you (or, at least I)say 'uh-oh, that's gonna come back to bite them later somehow'. Especially if it's a mystery.
2. Neither do a lot of things. If we took out everything that didn't contribute to the plot, we'd have to kick out about 20 ABRians (among other things).
3. So is this argument. I see little point in debating about something because it's 'unnecessary'. This whole debate is, too. Why can't you just drop it and stop wasting time arguing? It won't ruin the plot to have it, it is a very minor detail, and the time we're spending on this whole thing is incredibly pointless. The only reason it could waste our time is that you keep arguing about how much it would mess up the plot.
4. No, it does not! You don't even have to refer to them as FAIL in your comics, but since it's around there's no reason to debate it.
5. Yes, it does. Are you even reading my posts? I gave a perfectly good compromise which made perfect sense, and you acted like I didn't change my argument at all.
6. And ABR was meant to be completely random, with no plot. But it's the plot that's raking in members! Original intent doesn't really make any difference if it's changed.
7. I know. But oddly enough, the UNA doesn't feel bad AT ALL about annoying the wicked terrorist organization of murderers! Isn't that weird?
8. Not everybody liked ending FFF 1 either. But it worked out. And this idea hardly has any significance! There is no point in trying to 'disallow' using it in our comics. You can only depict people in your comics saying 'ALF', or 'terrorists led by Igon Minoblendy', or whatever. But I will occasionally feature people saying 'FAIL'.

1- No it doesn't. Governments don’t give terrorist groups different names, especially silly ones.
2- The difference is, they are people who want to join, this is a name.
3- Why can't you just drop it? If it's just a minor detail, why do you insist on it even though no everyone agrees on it.
4- It doesn't matter that I don't refer to them as FAIL, it's still stupid to give them two names because of the reasons above.
5- It's not a compromise at all, ALF are still being called FAIL which is what I'm arguing against. If they're still going to be called FAIL then how is this a compromise?
6- Even when the plot started, it was still quite random.
7- By annoying, I mean it annoys me, not the fictional characters.
8- FFF had to come to an end at some point, so do all plots, that's what happens. FI just offered something else to do once it's over.
You can’t call an organisation a completely different name in a comic where everyone contributes.
It’s like me calling the UN, STB. No one would know what I’m talking about. You want to make it more realistic, and if you’re the only one in the comic calling it FAIL then technically none of the other characters wouldn’t know what you’re one is talking about because it’s “realistic”.
9- And how is calling them FAIL realistic? Since when does anyone give a joke name to a terrorist group, or any enemy. Do we have a joke name for the IRA? Hamas? Did we have one for the NAZI's? We have never given a joke name to a group of people who are terrorists or kill people.
It would be completely unrealistic.

[Tiffanie Lirle]

Shouldn't someone make a new thread? Since by the time it's mod approved we'll be at the next page anyways.

[Nameless]

I could make it, unless there's an objection.

[Lemming]

(really long argument in response to the Gremlin's really long argument)

Could you two please drop this? Please? I thought ALF was agreed on and this is just starting to get annoying. And nothing about how "It was a good compromise" or "No-one would call it FAIL"" or anything like that, because that will just start up the whole argument again.

[BRC]

They have spoken. It's been decided. Now, let's move on.

[Mina Kobold]

@Nameless: Fine, non-canon I just wanned to get your character pissed and go badass-mode (it could be repaired by mending or something anyway) I had two reasons to think it wasn't a problem
1) you did the same in Super Heroics. 2) You've never used it so I assumed it was for show and not important. But I'll make a new comic as soon as I get a new what-the-sword-shall-hit idea (I also assume you don't wanna get hit yourself)

[The Gremlin]

They have spoken. It's been decided. Now, let's move on.

Thank you.

[Mina Kobold]

Thank you.

Your idea is that the UNA calls us FAIL, his is that FAIL is their equivalent in a TV show...What a compromise.

[The Gremlin]

Your idea is that the UNA calls us FAIL, his is that FAIL is their equivalent in a TV show...What a compromise.

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...you don't even understand the entire argument, do you? It would be nice if you'd pay attention instead of making snide remarks.
Originally, I was arguing for the UNA to call the ALF FAIL. But then, it turned out that the only guy in agreement, Mad Mask, was joking the whole time. So I decided to compromise. I'm 'arguing' for FAIL to be a sort of nickname which originated on the TV show.
Pay attention, please.

[Mina Kobold]

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...you don't even understand the entire argument, do you? It would be nice if you'd pay attention instead of making snide remarks.
Originally, I was arguing for the UNA to call the ALF FAIL. But then, it turned out that the only guy in agreement, Mad Mask, was joking the whole time. So I decided to compromise. I'm 'arguing' for FAIL to be a sort of nickname which originated on the TV show.
Pay attention, please.

I did pay attention. I'm just saying that his idea don't seem to include it to be said outside the show and yours to be originated in it but spoke by many outside it.

I didn't want to make you mad

[Lyinginbedmon]

I could make it, unless there's an objection.

I have no objection to this.

[The Gremlin]

I did pay attention. I'm just saying that his idea don't seem to include it to be said outside the show and yours to be originated in it but spoke by many outside it.

I didn't want to make you mad

Sorry, it just kinda struck a nerve. Let me clarify this:

First, the UNA doesn't really call them FAIL that much. It's more the general populace. It started on the show, but then people who watched it started using it. Soon, it was a rather popular name.
Second, Nameless is against the whole name even existing. Not really sure why, except that he thinks it's 'silly'.
The way I thought it was a compromise is that I went from the UNA exclusively referring to the ALF as FAIL, and encouraging everyone to do so, to it just being a nickname from a TV show. It would appear that it was not much of a compromise, but that's what I thought.

[Yeril]

Sorry I'm not been around recently, college and stuff has kept me busy.

Anyone fighting the black knight, feel free to sort of "leave" the fight if you dont want to hang about for me anymore, I'll try and squeese in a comic if I can but yeah whatever is fine.

You'll get a chance to fight him again later though so don't worry

Have a good weekend guys.

[Nameless]

@Nameless: Fine, non-canon I just wanned to get your character pissed and go badass-mode (it could be repaired by mending or something anyway) I had two reasons to think it wasn't a problem
1) you did the same in Super Heroics. 2) You've never used it so I assumed it was for show and not important. But I'll make a new comic as soon as I get a new what-the-sword-shall-hit idea (I also assume you don't wanna get hit yourself)

You can edit the comic and have him scratch me.

@Lemming: The whole point of this thread is to descuss ABR related issues, not to avoid them just because it leads to a small argument.

[Nameless]

They have spoken. It's been decided. Now, let's move on.

That's exactly what I've been arguing against.

Sorry, it just kinda struck a nerve. Let me clarify this:

First, the UNA doesn't really call them FAIL that much. It's more the general populace. It started on the show, but then people who watched it started using it. Soon, it was a rather popular name.
Second, Nameless is against the whole name even existing. Not really sure why, except that he thinks it's 'silly'.
The way I thought it was a compromise is that I went from the UNA exclusively referring to the ALF as FAIL, and encouraging everyone to do so, to it just being a nickname from a TV show. It would appear that it was not much of a compromise, but that's what I thought.

Did you even read anything I posted? You're telling Kev to pay attention when you obviously haven't payed attention to any of my arguments.

1- No it doesn't. Governments don’t give terrorist groups different names, especially silly ones.
2- The difference is, they are people who want to join, this is a name.
3- Why can't you just drop it? If it's just a minor detail, why do you insist on it even though no everyone agrees on it.
4- It doesn't matter that I don't refer to them as FAIL, it's still stupid to give them two names because of the reasons above.
5- It's not a compromise at all, ALF are still being called FAIL which is what I'm arguing against. If they're still going to be called FAIL then how is this a compromise?
6- Even when the plot started, it was still quite random.
7- By annoying, I mean it annoys me, not the fictional characters.
8- FFF had to come to an end at some point, so do all plots, that's what happens. FI just offered something else to do once it's over.
You can’t call an organisation a completely different name in a comic where everyone contributes.
It’s like me calling the UN, STB. No one would know what I’m talking about. You want to make it more realistic, and if you’re the only one in the comic calling it FAIL then technically none of the other characters wouldn’t know what you’re one is talking about because it’s “realistic”.
9- And how is calling them FAIL realistic? Since when does anyone give a joke name to a terrorist group, or any enemy. Do we have a joke name for the IRA? Hamas? Did we have one for the NAZI's? We have never given a joke name to a group of people who are terrorists or kill people.
It would be completely unrealistic.

[Keris]

1- No it doesn't. Governments don’t give terrorist groups different names, especially silly ones.

But kids TV shows do.

2- The difference is, they are people who want to join, this is a name.

An additional detail that adds to the setting.

3- Why can't you just drop it? If it's just a minor detail, why do you insist on it even though no everyone agrees on it.

If we only did what everyone agrees on, then we wouldn't do anything. And then we'd disagree about that too.

4- It doesn't matter that I don't refer to them as FAIL, it's still stupid to give them two names because of the reasons above.

FAIL isn't a name for them, it's a colloquialism used by the public. People can refer to you as both Nameless and the Grim Reaper can't they?

5- It's not a compromise at all, ALF are still being called FAIL which is what I'm arguing against. If they're still going to be called FAIL then how is this a compromise?

It is a compromise. Gremlin wanted the UNA to call ALF FAIL, and never ALF, but has now compromised and FAIL is a colloquialism used occasionally by the public. You're the one who's refusing to compromise.

6- Even when the plot started, it was still quite random.

But now it's a lot more structured, and FI is more structured too. If you don't like it, join SDSB or stick to random kills.

7- By annoying, I mean it annoys me, not the fictional characters.

You may find it annoying, but it's something you'll have to live with.

You can’t call an organisation a completely different name in a comic where everyone contributes.
It’s like me calling the UN, STB. No one would know what I’m talking about. You want to make it more realistic, and if you’re the only one in the comic calling it FAIL then technically none of the other characters wouldn’t know what you’re one is talking about because it’s “realistic”.

He won't be the only one putting FAIL in his comics. And if needs be, we can explain where the term came from in comic.

9- And how is calling them FAIL realistic? Since when does anyone give a joke name to a terrorist group, or any enemy. Do we have a joke name for the IRA? Hamas? Did we have one for the NAZI's? We have never given a joke name to a group of people who are terrorists or kill people.
It would be completely unrealistic.

It's not a joke name given by the UNA, it's a joke name created for a kids TV program, and draws such obvious parallels to ALF that most people in FI will know what you're talking about if you call ALF FAIL.

[Nameless]

1- No they don't. Since when would a kids TV show involve politics and terrorism? I'm sorry but that makes so sense at all.
2- It doesn't add anything to the setting.
3- *Read bottom post.
4- People don't usually give joke names to a terrorist group though, at least in a "realistic" setting.
5- Actually, he wanted ALF to be the name, and FAIL to be the name used by the government. So really, now all it is that it's used by the public, so if anything it's going to be used more.
6- I never said I didn't like it, I'm looking forward to FI
7- But if it's "just a name" and "no big deal" and not everyone likes it, why use it?
8- What?
9- I'm talking about the characters themselves, technically, in a realistic setting, if only a small group of people use the term FAIL such as Gremlin, most people in the setting won't understand it.

*I say the best way to sort this out is a simple vote. Those who want the name being used as a joke by some of the public because of a kids TV show, and those who don’t think it’s necessary to have it in.

I don’t want to use it because it’s unrealistic to give a terrorist organisation that supposedly kills people a joke name from a KIDS TV SHOW that involves serious politics in it for some reason. To me that sounds redicules.
I also think it's unnecessary and irrelevant.
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And also because I find it annoying.

[BRC]

1- No they don't. Since when would a kids TV show involve politics and terrorism? I'm sorry but that makes so sense at all.

When it's propoganda. That's when.
Anyway, if you hate it so much don't use it. Sure it's silly, but people in real life are not 100% serious. I didn't see you complaining about the fox-girl who bludgeons people with a giant bell, Stephen Mask getting killed like eight times and then showing up just fine when somebody else made a comic, The Grim Reaper running around adventuring, a 500 year old revolutionary leader, a hive mind that controls hat-wearing spherical robots, a nation origionally created to handwave peoples sci-fi characters now having a lengthy history, penguins, a giant flying yellow citadel, or countless other "Silly" things in ABR.