Bibliography II

[EternalMelon]

It's the fourth Thursday of November in America and the second Monday in October in Canada. Canadians are weird. Srsly.

No, Its because we can't leave our houses during the winter unless we shovel two story's of snow.

[Prime32]

Also, while it is true that vampire myths are not unified, it seems that given how the myths are based on the Pages, the codex would be closer to traditional vampire myths than to Hollywood vampires, or other modern spins on them.

I was under the impression that Pages were based on myths to some extent.

[chionophile]

I was under the impression that Pages were based on myths to some extent.

From a literary standpoint, that's true. But I'm pretty sure that in the Bibliography universe, it's the other way around.

[Zeful]

From a literary standpoint, that's true. But I'm pretty sure that in the Bibliography universe, it's the other way around.

Explicitly stated to be the case in chapter 1 or 2. In-world, the myths are based on the pages.

[Fable Wright]

While you did mention that it was just your own idea of how it might work, the way you responded with it made it sound as if other ideas were unlikely (even if that was not your intent). Also, while it is true that vampire myths are not unified, it seems that given how the myths are based on the Pages, the codex would be closer to traditional vampire myths than to Hollywood vampires, or other modern spins on them. Also there quite possibly could be more than one 'vampire' codex, given that the term vampire refers to a wide range of creatures linked mainly by their manner of gaining sustenance by draining humans (for example succubi/incubi and ghuls have been considered vampires as have rakshas).

Look, while there were a variety of different different things stemming off the idea of a force that drains your life force, only one of them is actually considered a vampire in modern times. It's possible that they used to lump them together in olden times, but eventually the myths managed to differentiate between the different forces that would drain you. Over time, myths over vampires would become more and more accurate, as more distinctions are formed between them and any other human feasting force of the night. Yes, I believe that there might be any number of other explanations for the vampire codex. I just described a general outline based off of what I thought was the coolest way they could be portrayed. It's quite possible as I made it sound like it was unlikely that there were other ways for them to be portrayed; I described what I thought was the most likely view, which was intended to make it sound more likely than other forms of vampires. However, I admit that there could be any number of ways to portray the vampires, and I admit my view could be very, very wrong indeed.

While it might be true that it can form interesting stories, it is also one that would likely take more than just a subplot. Hence why they usually have stories of their own, rather than just being a side facet.

Meh. Maybe it's too complex, maybe not. Maybe vampires will just not come into the story at all. I just posted my view on vampires in a way that I thought they might be considered entertaining. A well-placed page or two (Yes, I know it's an ad, but it demonstrates my point) might be enough to show a little bit of the intrigue of the vampire courts, and leave the readers interested, but not actually describe all aspects of it in a full-blown exposition.

[Owrtho]

Look, while there were a variety of different different things stemming off the idea of a force that drains your life force, only one of them is actually considered a vampire in modern times. It's possible that they used to lump them together in olden times, but eventually the myths managed to differentiate between the different forces that would drain you. Over time, myths over vampires would become more and more accurate, as more distinctions are formed between them and any other human feasting force of the night. Yes, I believe that there might be any number of other explanations for the vampire codex. I just described a general outline based off of what I thought was the coolest way they could be portrayed. It's quite possible as I made it sound like it was unlikely that there were other ways for them to be portrayed; I described what I thought was the most likely view, which was intended to make it sound more likely than other forms of vampires. However, I admit that there could be any number of ways to portray the vampires, and I admit my view could be very, very wrong indeed.

Actually it is more the reverse. In the traditional mythologies of different cultures, there weren't really any vampires (well, I think there was one called a vampire or something close to it, but it was rather different than what is modernly considered to be one). There were however many myths in which creatures drained humans. However, the modern image of a vampire is something of a bastardization of a wide variety of those creatures. As such , when discussing traditional vampires, almost any such creatures could be referenced as being one (in fact almost every culture has some kind of creature considered a vampire in its mythology). Even so, many of those creatures have maintained their own identity in public knowledge, thus generally causing them to be considered different.

Owrtho

[Fable Wright]

Actually it is more the reverse. In the traditional mythologies of different cultures, there weren't really any vampires (well, I think there was one called a vampire or something close to it, but it was rather different than what is modernly considered to be one). There were however many myths in which creatures drained humans. However, the modern image of a vampire is something of a bastardization of a wide variety of those creatures. As such , when discussing traditional vampires, almost any such creatures could be referenced as being one (in fact almost every culture has some kind of creature considered a vampire in its mythology). Even so, many of those creatures have maintained their own identity in public knowledge, thus generally causing them to be considered different.

Owrtho

Ok, so... you're saying that there's no such thing as a vampire in Bibliography. Glad we got that settled.

Since we established that vampires now no longer exist, instead being succubi/incubi/ghuls/whatever, vampires are now a distinct made up race, with their origins based off the other myths. However, as a whole, they are completely separate from their progenitor species. One of the first references to actual vampires as we see them now, and that continues to shape our belief in vampires, is dracula, possibly the first vampire of the codex. Thus, all of our knowledge stemming off him is an accurate description of the vampire codex, instead of the other codices.

[Silverraptor]

This entire vampire argument is totally relevant to Bibliography I bet...

[Cade Rentyr]

Seriously. This mystery fighter will be Ben's Uncle Samuel. Just you wait.

[Tulio d Bard]

Well, HalfTanglible... you said you were getting sick.

OMG, everybody is getting sick. You should rest instead of discuss about vampires and such.

Canadians are weird. Srsly.

Yeah, they have books that absorb energy beams and then shoot them back.

[Maximum Zersk]

OMG, everybody is getting sick. You should rest instead of discuss about vampires and such.

I'm not sick. If I was, I'd have to skip school, and that would be bad, considering how fast school moves.

Yeah, they have books that absorb energy beams and then shoot them back.

We also have Polar Bears, who can overheat in the snow.

[HalfTangible]

Ok, so... you're saying that there's no such thing as a vampire in Bibliography. Glad we got that settled.

He's saying you can't decide WHICH vampire myth is the 'right' one.

One of the first references to actual vampires as we see them now, and that continues to shape our belief in vampires, is dracula, possibly the first vampire of the codex. Thus, all of our knowledge stemming off him is an accurate description of the vampire codex, instead of the other codices.

Yes, because lord knows humans get everything right the first time every single time.

[Coidzor]

From a literary standpoint, that's true. But I'm pretty sure that in the Bibliography universe, it's the other way around.

Which is kinda weird because from how psychotically violent pages are, and that norms have to be exposed to the power of pages in order to see them as different at all, one wouldn't think many would survive enough to form as many myths as they have.

[Fable Wright]

He's saying you can't decide WHICH vampire myth is the 'right' one.

Over time, we have decided that vampires are entirely different entities, though. They may be based off the other myths, but they are clearly separate from the other creatures.

Yes, because lord knows humans get everything right the first time every single time.

The first reference to vampires as we see them now is Dracula. Thus, Dracula may have been the first vampire. I'm not saying that I know everything, but I think that it may well be that Dracula was the first vampire, and the other beings may have been entirely different codices. I may be wrong, of course, but that's what I think.

[Prime32]

The first reference to vampires as we see them now is Dracula. Thus, Dracula may have been the first vampire. I'm not saying that I know everything, but I think that it may well be that Dracula was the first vampire, and the other beings may have been entirely different codices. I may be wrong, of course, but that's what I think.

Maybe Dracula joined all those codices, but they kicked him out.
"Vine! I'll start vy own codex, vit blawkjack, and hookers!"

[Crafty Cultist]

I think the vampire society myths will be present, but based more on tradition than a rule of the codex. those are just my thoughts though

[Radar]

Over time, we have decided that vampires are entirely different entities, though. They may be based off the other myths, but they are clearly separate from the other creatures.


The first reference to vampires as we see them now is Dracula. Thus, Dracula may have been the first vampire. I'm not saying that I know everything, but I think that it may well be that Dracula was the first vampire, and the other beings may have been entirely different codices. I may be wrong, of course, but that's what I think.

Actually, it would by "The Vampyre" predating Stoker's book by almost 80 years. The article on wikipedia is quite informative.

Besides, I think it's time to drink a nice hot cup of tea and wait for the actual in-universe Sanguine Codex Pages, isn't it?

edit: @Prime32 - in fact, forget the Codex and the blackjack.

[Mina Kobold]

Actually, it would by "The Vampyre" predating Stoker's book by almost 80 years. The article on wikipedia is quite informative.

Besides, I think it's time to drink a nice hot cup of tea and wait for the actual in-universe Sanguine Codex Pages, isn't it?

But I don't like tea!

can I have a soda instead?

But, yeah. I think we need to stop arguing about vampires and get on to the important stuff.

Like theories on how the tournament will go and how Satomi will win despite being the only 'normal' human on the Ben-Squad

[Fable Wright]

Actually, it would by "The Vampyre" predating Stoker's book by almost 80 years. The article on wikipedia is quite informative.

Fair enough.

But, yeah. I think we need to stop arguing about vampires and get on to the important stuff.

Agreed.

[HalfTangible]

Like theories on how the tournament will go and how Satomi will win despite being the only 'normal' human on the Ben-Squad

I sincerely doubt they let humans sign up. A disabling spell would've killed Raoul or made him lose his arm, remember?

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Over time, we have decided that vampires are entirely different entities, though. They may be based off the other myths, but they are clearly separate from the other creatures.

Yes but there are many vampire myths where the creatures are still referred to as vampires. Among those, you still have a lot of iffyness.

The first reference to vampires as we see them now is Dracula. Thus, Dracula may have been the first vampire. I'm not saying that I know everything, but I think that it may well be that Dracula was the first vampire, and the other beings may have been entirely different codices. I may be wrong, of course, but that's what I think.

Wait, do you mean the type of vampire dracula was in the book or dracula himself was the first vampire? Cuz i was arguing under the assumption of the former. If you meant the latter then what you're saying makes a LOT more sense.

[HypoSoc]

I think Satomi, WON'T get powers. She will stand out more as a character if she doesn't.

[HalfTangible]

To be relevant, I think Satomi, WON'T get powers. She will stand out more as a character if she doesn't.

I hope she gets SOMETHING. If she gets nothing period she'll fade into the background with Tatsuki, Kazuki's friends and family, the student council, and the rest.

[Lix Lorn]

I hope she gets SOMETHING. If she gets nothing period she'll fade into the background with Tatsuki, Kazuki's friends and family, the student council, and the rest.

Or she could be a badass normal, like Rock Lee or Kenpachi.

[Radar]

Or she could be a badass normal, like Rock Lee or Kenpachi.

Since when, are they normal? Rock Lee might probably be argued about (although he did a hefty number of supernatural stunts), but Kenpachi is an axe crazy freak of nature - he has more raw power then most of the cast.

IMO she'll either become a Page or gets her hands on a White Box Weapon, because she seems to actually want something like that. If you seek something, you find it eventually.

[Lix Lorn]

Kenpachi is normal. Yes, he has more power than anyone, but he ONLY has power. Ichigo can shoot blasts of energy, and go at the speed of light with bankai, but Kenpachi just hits stuff.

Maybe Satomi will be normal, but have so much innate aura that she can punch an abyssal in the face.

Edit: Also to clarify, I mean normal compared to the rest of the cast.

[HypoSoc]

Personally I want to see a badass normal mercenary gunner. Imagine if you could set bazookas to "non-lethal" mode, given the abilities of pages.

Think "Gentleman" Johnny Marcone badass with Chaotic or True Neutral instead of Lawful. Fanboy glee

[Krazddndfreek]

Kenpachi is normal. Yes, he has more power than anyone, but he ONLY has power. Ichigo can shoot blasts of energy, and go at the speed of light with bankai, but Kenpachi just hits stuff.

Maybe Satomi will be normal, but have so much innate aura that she can punch an abyssal in the face.

Edit: Also to clarify, I mean normal compared to the rest of the cast.

Just hit stuff? This man can cut through swaths of buildings with a flourish. He doubles the strength of his scariness and general power by putting another hand on his sword. He needs a freaking eyepatch that cripples him, so he doesn't end his opponents in one hit. Actually he does that anyway. this guy is normal to you? I hate to have a run-in with you

EDIT: I'm a little slow, cuz I just noticed your addendum at the end of your post, but even compared to the rest of the cast, he is far from normal. They liken him to a demon.

[Lix Lorn]

Just hit stuff? This man can cut through swaths of buildings with a flourish. He doubles the strength of his scariness and general power by putting another hand on his sword. He needs a freaking eyepatch that cripples him, so he doesn't end his opponents in one hit. Actually he does that anyway. this guy is normal to you? I hate to have a run-in with you

Well, I am awesome...

EDIT: I'm a little slow, cuz I just noticed your addendum at the end of your post, but even compared to the rest of the cast, he is far from normal. They liken him to a demon.

I know that he's amazingly powerful-but he got there with training and power. He has no magic, no bankai, not even a shikai. He is normal. He is the very limit of what a normal can do, but he is still one.

[Fayd]

Think "Gentleman" Johnny Marcone badass with Chaotic or True Neutral instead of Lawful. Fanboy glee

And, you know, not Evil. ...probably.

[HalfTangible]

Well, I am awesome...

You are female. By definition, you are scary.

I know that he's amazingly powerful-but he got there with training and power. He has no magic, no bankai, not even a shikai. He is normal. He is the very limit of what a normal can do, but he is still one.

He HAS a shikai. He just never had a sealed form. Remember? His blade is stuck in what would be it's shikai form (like ichigo's) because he's got so much reatsu.

But this bleach stuff is off topic.