ITP- Battle for Alarra

[Szilard]

Since Atreyu's cool, and I'm not a wolf, I'mma gonna go with Tasroth.

[Ramsus]

Well if I'm right then not killing Atreyu today possibly gives the wolves lynch control (and thus victory) due to the extra voting power of the prof. Not that I bothered doing any maths.

[Tasroth]

I agree with Ramsus. Atreyu. And I do suspect Szilard as well (yes, I know it's easy to claim this now, but I was thinking it during the Night phase). Honestly, my brain clearly isn't working right as well, because I can see all the reasons I should have voted for Atreyu yesterday.

And I'm suprised but pleased that we haven't lost yet.

[Haruki-kun]

Hmm.... Atrey or Tasroth.... >.<

......Atreyu.

[Atreyu the Masked LLama]

Well if I'm right then not killing Atreyu today possibly gives the wolves lynch control (and thus victory) due to the extra voting power of the prof. Not that I bothered doing any maths.

And what happens if you're wrong, because I'm telling you, as sure as tacos are tasty that I'm not from Camp-Wrong-Side-of-the-Tracks this time.

^ RUKI!!

But seriously, go compare how I played this game compared to how I played the other two games that I was in. In those I was wolfy and I really didn't say or do much with the game, just RP'ed a little bit. In this game I heavily implied I was from the Real World, which I would not have done if I was part of Real Life.

Care to make a rebuttal or will you keep following a list that hasn't worked out so well so far? Is your only argument really "Well, the list has been wrong so far, so its got to be right now? I mean...It's a list.!"

[Lex-Kat]

For this purposes of this discussion, Lex = the Narrator Lex-Kat, and Lex-kat = the character Lex-kat.

Since this game has already turned controversial, I'm going to step in and ask:

Why is no one willing to consider Murska is lying?

It all begins with Supagoof's Day 10 narration, seen here.

The basic claim by Murska is: I sent Murska a PM telling him he is a playgrounder. Then sent him another claiming I made an error, and he was now Lex-kat.

The question I would hope someone would have asked, not me or Supagoof, is: Why would Lex allow the game to continue with Murska and Sanity both thinking they were Lex-kat?

It just doesn't make sense. If I'd mistakenly made Murska a Playgrounder and then made him Lex-kat, why would I have allowed Sanity to be declared Lex-kat when he died?

If Supagoof had made a mistake at the end of the narration, I would have corrected it, immediately. No ifs, ands, or buts. Sanity is Lex-kat. So why do you still believe that Murska is?

The proof is out there. When Alarra was being lynched, I allowed it, not because I was trying to even the score, but because I still thought I had not made a mistake. As previously stated, I had counted the votes for Korias vs. Gray Mage twice, and still come out with a tie that Gray Mage won. Or lost, depending on you P.O.V..

After FC's Night Kill (but before the actual narration), I started creating a table to show FC who voted and how the vote tally went. It was then that I found the missing vote for Korias, and immediately began trying to make it better.

I was going to add Gray Mage back into the game, with two free scries. But upon thinking it through, it would not have worked. It would have instantly given the Playgrounders a trustworthy Seer, and he had the benefit of six players he no longer had to consider targets. The Devil would have still had to look through four of those.

So I nixed that plan. Sorry Gray Mage. That's when I asked for your opinions. What did I get? Everyone who posted about it, including some of the dead, said continue the game. And what was Fleeing Coward saying? He was sure he'd figured out who Lex-kat was. Of course, he had a nearly legitimate reason to still believe Murska. Imperial Psycho had vouched for him after-all.

So the game continued, Fleeing Coward died, and Sanity was lynched the next day, claiming to be Lex-kat. Murska was doomed! After Sanity's lynch, Ramsus swiftly pointed out Murska's non-Lex-katness.

Murska claimed narrator mistake. Ramsus asked me to confirm, hence asking me to out Murska myself. Now, that is not the narrator's place.

I should not have to tell you that there is only one Lex-kat role in this game. That to have two Lex-kats fluttering around would have been uneven against the wolves. I should not have to tell you that if the mistake had happened like Murska claimed, I would have either informed Murska that I had been doubly mistaken, or informed Sanity702 that he was not Lex-kat. But I definitely would not have been counting both of them as Lex-kat.

But I am doing so now. Why? Because I consider this to be a wolf victory.

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Atreyu the Masked Llama has been unmasked. He is, Atreyu the Masked Llama. A playgrounder.

GAME OVER!

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{table=head]#|Player|Killed?|Role
1|Haruki-Kun|Winner!|Journalist (Devil)
2|Murska|Winner!|Professor (Alpha)
3|Qwaz|Winner!|Parent (Beast)
4|Ramsus|Day 14|Zeb the Troll
5|Szilard|Night 13|Playgrounder
6|Tasroth|Day 13|Playgrounder
7|Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins|Night 12|Playgrounder
24|Atreyu the Masked Llama|Day 12|Playgrounder
23|cd4|Night 11|Playgrounder
22|Eldritch Knight|Day 11|Playgrounder
21|Otakuryoga|Night 10|Supagoof (Careless Baner)
20|Sanity702|Day 10|Lex-kat (Narrator)
19|Fleeing Coward|Night 9|Playgrounder
18|Alarra|Day 9|Hacker (Disguiser)
17|Orzel|Night 8|Playgrounder
16|Mangosta71|Night 8|Roland St. Jude (Killer)
15|Zanshin|Night 8|Parent (Beast)
14|Lady Tialait|Day 8|Playgrounder
13|Imperial Psycho|Night 7|Indurain (Seer/Fool)
12|Korias|Day 7- AL|Atreyu the Masked Llama (Seer/Fool)
11|Gray Mage|Day 7|Shadow (Seer/Defender)
10|Matt K|Day 6|Doctor (Voider)
9|the Fiery Tower|Night 5|Alarra (Alarra)
8|Blue Ghost|Night 4|Murska (Seer/Defender)
7|Deathslayer7|Night 4|Pudding Troll (Shield)
6|Helgraf|Day 4|Playgrounder
5|Zar Peter|Night 3|Playgrounder
4|Thufir|Day 3|Playgrounder
3|Indurain|Night 2|Playgrounder
2|Reinholdt|Night 1|Playgrounder
1|Duneyrr|Day 1|Playgrounder
[/table]

Let the heated debate over how I should have handled this begin!

[Lady Tialait]

That was fun.

[Qwaz]

I know some people are gonna moan about about the one (There was only ever one) narrator error so I'm just going to jump in and say that had Korias won the lynch vote as he was supposed to none of the *Maths* that should have outed Murska would have built up steam so quickly like it did.

Sure we netted Gray mage, a seer, but it essentially shoved Murska and Alarra into the fire too. The real-worlders would have prefered that it didn't happen either and that we stayed under cover too. Murska was having to be super careful with his point the whole game and this kinda messed that up. What I'm trying to say is We were forced to scramble by the mistake too so I don't feel it directly favoured us.

Everyone left - When the one error was spotted it was immediately confessed. When directly questioned about Murskas claim lex refused to confirm or deny it. I would usually read this as an attempt not to influence the game...the fact that it was Murska...saying it on day 10?...the fact that it was Murska saying anything on day 10? I'd of called him a wolf. I wish to applaud you all for giving him the benefit of the doubt. It must be nice to live through a whole game now and then

I want to thank Lex and the Goof. Good, if controversial, fun!

Tasroth - I do apologise. I see now how you may not have been a wolf

Imperial Psycho/Lex - Have to ask, was Murska scry because you were a fool at the time or did the Alpha scry as villager here. Because the opening narration didn't mention that as an Alpha power I assumed fool.

MattK, Zanshin, Alarra, Haruki-Kun & Murska - Had a blast "Would wolf again! 5-Star!"

EDIT - PS, I have taken a leaf from Duneyrr's book and saved all the wolf PM's. I shall post them up as and when I have the time. Just for a look at how we really scrambled...and were convinced of a secret role for a while

EDIT 2 - Game rules feedback. Having to find 4 potential seers is a little bit of a mountain to climb. I realise two are neutral and *could* be recruited but the chances of that are slim to none if their "wards" are village which if distributed randomly is more likely.

[Lex-Kat]

Imperial Psycho was Fooled. Murska would have shown up as the Professor if he'd been scried during a Seer phase.

[Imperial Psycho]

I knew Murska was lying the moment he said he was Lex-kat.

Sadly I became aware of it posthumously.

[Qwaz]

I knew Murska was lying the moment he said he was Lex-kat.

Sadly I became aware of it posthumously.

You knew Murska was Murska when now?

[Gray Mage]

Well, I did suggest that you shouldn't put me back in the game and could instead say that I got an honorary win due to narrator mystake or something like that.

[Qwaz]

Well, I did suggest that you shouldn't put me back in the game and could instead say that I got an honorary win due to narrator mystake or something like that.

Who was your ward btw?

EDIT - I'm pretty sure Blue Ghosts was DS7 who was shielding The Firey Tower when we attacked him...

[Murska]

I... can't believe I lived.

I mean, I knew I was doomed when Sanity died, and figured I'd done a good job of myself while I was alive. I was hoping on Haruki to win alone as there were no Seers left and he was under the radar.

But out of the principle of the thing, I made up a desperation attempt half-jokingly to try to convince someone to not vote my way... and then decided to keep up with it after it actually worked.

I mean, the narrators have the duty to confirm if they made an error. They also have a duty to not confirm if someone lies about an error. So the fact that they didn't confirm should've been a dead giveaway.

[Gray Mage]

Who was your ward btw?

It was Ramsus, who was, happily enough for me, the baner. I must say he was a very disputed scry, twice I've hit interference on him. I just contacted him because Blue Ghost was dead and I needed allies badly.

[Qwaz]

It was Ramsus, who was, happily enough for me, the baner. I must say he was a very disputed scry, twice I've hit interference on him. I just contacted him because Blue Ghost was dead and I needed allies badly.

lol, was it nights 1 & 4 per chance? If so you bumped head with Haruki twice

[Murska]

Imperial Psycho also hit interference constantly. I'm not sure we got a single scry out of him before we had to start voiding him.

[Gray Mage]

lol, was it nights 1 & 4 per chance? If so you bumped head with Haruki twice

Yes, I was worried that I've named Murska as the one I was supposed to defend when he diverted the vote from Alarra on day 1.

[Qwaz]

Were you originally gonna defend Murska? That would have been great to get another scryer on board!

EDIT - Reply to below...Owww :(

[Gray Mage]

Were you originally gonna defend Murska? That would have been great to get another scryer on board!

No, I meant I thought that Ramsus was the role Murska.

[Imperial Psycho]

My scrying record is something to behold.

1: Murska - Playgrounder (LIEEES)
2: Alarra - Interference
3: Atreyu - Interference
4. Forgot to send one in, I think.
5. Voided.
6. Voided.
7. Dead.

[Gray Mage]

EDIT - Reply to below...Owww :(

Yes, but I was really happy when he said he was the baner. That meant that if I were to lead the lynch against the wolves, and that if he'd protect me every night, I wouldn't be neither lynched nor night killed by mistake. But then LT didn't see my PM telling Zanshin was the beast before she posted and she didn't want to edit and there were that mistake with the counting of votes and you know what happened.

[Indurain]

That was fun to watch!! I was really upset when I died so early, and didn't expect to care about the game much longer. However, I just couldn't stop watching, wondering how long Alarra could stay alive in her own game. I figured she'd get Shadow ruled after day 3 of a game named after her!

And then there's Murska's blown Bluff check...and every villager failing their Sense Motive on it.

Well done Real Lifers, even with the mistake, you earned that victory!!

[Atreyu the Masked LLama]

Aye! I agree with Indy, well except that I'm not dead. However, it was quite a fun game. I'd be up for another. I do wish I'd had more time to devote to this one, but alas, being villians in 2 other games did limit my time.

Also, SERIOUSLY, note how I goofed off in this one and not the other two. I'm really a rather predictable player and my wolfiness can be assertained in 2 to 3 days.

[Duneyrr]

Dang. Would it matter if I say "I told you so?" I guess not. Good game I had fun reading it!

[Szilard]

I guess I kinda survived til the end?

Fun game, even though I didn't do much.

[Qwaz]

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From : Qwaz
To : Lex-kat
Date : 2011-01-11 06:26
Title : Re: Alarra ITP
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Oh no worries. With the number of games recruiting right now (a post christmas/new year boom?) I might suggest putting

mine on hold for a quieter time. I'll see what the sign ups are like toward the end of the month.

No worries. I'll just stick to my "don't sign up to any more games for the minute" plan.

Sorry, Murska requested you as one of his wolves, and I forgot about this until after I sent the Wolf PM to

you all.

But, on the bright side, you're just a Beast Role, so you don't have to worry too much, unless you are the last Wolf.



Just let them know that you don't wish to be the one to send in the night kill, unless absolutely necessary. They'll

understand.

Hi Lex,

I'm going to be running a game around the end of January and I'm already in 2. I think both those will be either over or

drawing to a close around then but i've signed up for this one which I doubt will be.

For this reason could I request a simple villager role.

Noone knows or will know that i've requested this and I'd rather ask you like this than slip up (not send in a night kill,

forget to bane my seer) later and majorly affect how your game ends up.

Thanks.

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From : Qwaz
To : Alarra, Haruki-kun, Matt K, Murska, Zanshin
Date : 2011-01-11 06:38
Title : Re: ItP: The Battle for Alarra
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Oh. I'll be as active as you need. I'm a Brit who works in a nightclub so it might be at some ungodly hours but I

shouldn't miss any days.

Chuffed to be picked. Let's steal Alarra for our own!

I take it you'll be sending in the kill Murska?

You five have been chosen by the Alpha to persuade Alarra to leave the playground for the realm of Real-

Life.

Who's the Alpha, you may wonder? Why, Murska, of course.

You are the Alpha Wolf. And yes, it was random. I would never

intentionally choose you to play the Alpha.

You have 24 hours to choose your team.

The Journalist (Devil)

The Parents (Beasts) 2 of these.

The Hacker (Disguiser)

The Doctor (Voider)

Well well. Let's see.

Battle for Alarra, so if I have her on my side, it'll be a great boon. Of course, it's a rather obvious move and all.

She's likely to be scried early and stuff.

Okay.

The Journalist: Haruki-kun
The Parents: Qwaz and Zanshin
The Hacker: Alarra ()
The Doctor: Matt K

Let's hope all the new players are active.

I tend to look these over at work so during the week I can be fairly active. I'm assuming that we each send

in a PM as to who we want to use our "abilities" on. I don't mind if Murska send in the kill so long as we don't miss one

(like my last WW game). Also, thanks for the invite to team RL, this looks like it'll be fun.

Finally, any idea who I should use my power on? I figured a random guess is as good as any at this time. As for the

kill, I'll go with whatever the consensus is at the moment (unless something better comes up).

Don't worry, we'll just conquer real life and force it to accommodate us while we return ITP.

Anyway, I'm surprisingly bad at remembering to send in stuff, but if we agree to me sending the kill, then sure. As long

as someone does.

Now should we be mean and get rid of Fleeing Coward early or nice and let him play?

Aww man, I didn't want real life to win, stupid real life and all its bills and obligations and stuff. Now I

have to be part of real life? *sigh* ooooookay.

Nice team though.

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From : Qwaz
To : Murska
Date : 2011-01-12 01:33
Title : Re: ItP: The Battle for Alarra
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Thumbs up. Understood.

Okay, so let's say that I'm the primary sender of the kill, but as a safeguard, I'll BCC my kill to Haruki

and Qwaz and if you two haven't gotten such a message and the night is nearing it's end, send a confirmation kill to Lex.

I'm OK with this strategy, Alarra's the most likely to get scried first. It might even be good to keep

disguising her a couple of nights.

On the subject of FC: I think we should let him play a bit, but I'll scry him tonight if no one has any better ideas.

I'm also online all the time.

Sounds like a good strategy to me (unless one of us ends up drawing undue heat this day phase.

I don't mind sending in the kill as long as we're all having a talk on who it's to be. I'm on at least once or

twice a (RL) day.

Does fleeing coward often get killed early? Only played a few games and that pattern hadn't struck me.

So what are the odds on:

Day 1: alarra disguises as villager
Night 1: Seer scries her
Soon after(when networking starts): Alarra spies for us ;)

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From : Qwaz
To : Alarra, Haruki-kun, Matt K, Murska, Zanshin
Date : 2011-01-12 22:43
Title : Re: ItP: The Battle for Alarra
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Wait, the dice decided that you would be 5th on a bandwagon? When there aren't any others? You're

allowed to fudge in that circumstance (especially when you don't have anyone to answer to but yourself). Unless, of

course, you're just saying that so your first day kill will seem more random and you're actually a wolf!

Sanity702 & Duneyrr have given us a gift. Let's say Duneyrr does die today. Tonight we kill & scry and tomorrow post

something like...

"Duneyrr did have a point. Were you just saying that so your first day kill would seem more random? Are you actually a

wolf Sanity702?"

No way that one doesn't take off

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From : Murska
To : Lex-kat, Qwaz
Date : 2011-01-13 16:42
Title : Re: ItP: The Battle for Alarra
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Sending kill at Reinholdt for now. Any kill messages from the wolves that come after this one will take preference.

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From : Haruki-kun
To : Alarra, Matt K, Murska, Qwaz, Zanshin
Date : 2011-01-13 17:23
Title : Re: ItP: The Battle for Alarra
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Okay, night one. If anyone has any observations about day one, go ahead and say them.

Mine would be that Ramsus pointed first and even changed his point later on, which would imply he's interested in the game

and keeps an eye on the events. I'd have our Devil scry him, unless we have better targets.

I'll be killing Reinholdt, because in my experience he'll be one of the most difficult-to-silence voices if I'll have to

start persuading the mob off myself later on. Again, unless others have better ideas.

Our void is pretty much random for now: go ahead and use it on whoever that's not in our team.

Note: I asked and I can't turn off my increased voting power. This means if I don't be careful there's a high chance

someone'll be lynched who shouldn't. This will make people suspicious and they'll check the list of players pointing at

said someone, which will include me.

Note 2: I'll be mainly using BCC in my PMs from now on as the last failsafe against accidentally sending it to wrong

people.

Fine by me, I'll scry him.

Note: Honestly, Murska, I'll be very surprised if you survive too long in this one. They're gonna be on your tail. And

this time you're actually guilty. <.<

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From : Matt K
To : Alarra, Haruki-kun, Murska, Qwaz, Zanshin
Date : 2011-01-13 18:11
Title : Re: ItP: The Battle for Alarra
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Sounds good, I'll be voiding Lady Tialat.

Day/Night 2

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From : Qwaz
To : Alarra, Haruki-kun, Matt K, Murska, Zanshin
Date : 2011-01-14 17:17
Title : Re: Scry
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I suppose with 5 scryers that's gonna be fairly common. With the Seer/Fool randomly changing throughout the game they'll

have a real problem getting a network together properly.

I see these as the real threats

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Shadow (Seer/Defender)- Everything learned has a price. And almost no one knows that more then Shadow, except

maybe Murska. Each night Shadow can send in a name to learn the role of that player. Though his scries are 100% accurate,

his goals are not.

Murska (Seer/Defender)- Everything learned has a price. And almost no one knows that more then Murska, except maybe

Shadow. Each night Murska can send in a name to learn the role of that player. Though his scries are 100% accurate, his

goals are not.

I''m guessing maybe one is a wolf role and one is a villager? Or maybe they are Rivals. Trying to find and take out each

other?

Either way. Without extra info those two are the biggest threat to us as they can trust their scrys and form a

network...etc

Let's look on the positive. We didn't lose info...we stopped someone else gaining info!

The devil would like to scry Ramsus!

Ramsus is Scry Interference.

Well, crap.

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From : Qwaz
To : Alarra, Haruki-kun, Matt K, Murska, Zanshin
Date : 2011-01-14 17:41
Title : Re: itp Battle for Alarra
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Phew, you lucky ******!

Also "how rude"! I thought it was manners not to scry you for at least a few days to give you a chance to play

Question is. Do we kill him Asap to knock at least one seer/fool out or would that just make the other the Seer

constantly?

Hello. I have scryed you as Playgrounder. I am the Seer/Fool.

Evidently, you now know which one I am. Though apparently it changes randomly.

Well, you scried me correctly, so you're probably the seer for now. With random changing, though...

Anything you need? I'll obviously proxy for you if necessary, but for now. My suspicions on day one point at Ramsus for

activity reasons. (First post and switched after - paying attention. Possibly a powerrole?)

And now we gained more info. At least he didn't scry me correctly...

Anyway, Shadow and Murska are in the game to protect one person chosen by them earlier, is what I think Lex said a while

ago. So, depending on who they chose, they might be on our side.

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From : Qwaz
To : Alarra, Haruki-kun, Matt K, Murska, Zanshin
Date : 2011-01-14 17:48
Title : Battle for Alarra
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I'll be off for the weekend, possibly lacking an internet connection. Avoid autolynching me,

please. I have a whole two minutes' warning so I don't have time to cp this into all the threads - notify the narrators if

they miss this please.

Murska just posted this in Central.

I'll send in the kill until I hear you're back.

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From : Qwaz
To : Alarra, Haruki-kun, Matt K, Murska, Zanshin
Date : 2011-01-14 19:10
Title : Re: itp Battle for Alarra
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Oh and everyone. I know it's probably obvious but just incase.

Noone try to start anything against Ramsus today. It'll look like we're in touch with Murska and villagers would have no

reason to be so on Day 2. It'll make IP suspicious.

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From : Qwaz
To : Thufir
Date : 2011-01-16 15:08
Title : itp Battle for Alarra
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Hey -REAL LIFE NAME REDACTED-,

Thought I should give you a heads up you're 1 day off from Autolynch!

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...=181892&page=4

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From : Qwaz
To : Alarra, Haruki-kun, Matt K, Murska, Zanshin
Date : 2011-01-16 15:45
Title : itp Battle for Alarra night 2
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So, what do we do?

I suggest we kill Indurain tonight. He voted for lady T day 2. If we kill him now it adds weight to the Lady T is a wolf

theory already presented in thread and more firmly points the finger at those late on the Duneyrr bandwagon day one.

The fact there was no majority reached for the day lynch is great. Any money they'll argue about random voting and giving

proper reasons now. Hopefully they'll be more willing to fall onto trapped bandwagons...Trapwagons?

Since IP didn't get interferance on Murska we know the other 3 scriers (Murska, Shadow & other seer/fool) didn't try a

peek at Murska night 1. Might be worth disguising him as a villager but I reckon with the amount of heat Alarra's getting

in thread she'll be scried multiple times over the next few days so she should keep disguising herself. ontop of that, we

lose Murska we lose an extra point or two (which he has to use very carefully anyway or risk revealing himself), we lose

alarra, we lose the possibility of an inside track on the network which will doubtless form.

As far as Scrying goes I have no particular ideas. Gray Mage seems to be offering analysis and keeping an eye on things.

Anyone?

Voiding. I suppose it's an effective way to neutralise IP, while using the Kill & the scry to search for others. It's the

most efficient use since he's the only assured powerrole we know but it will throw suspicion onto Murska if we do it for

too long. Plus side it'll keep the other Seer/Fool distrusting their scries for longer.

tl;dr: I suggest

Void Imperial Psycho
Kill Indurain
Scry Gray Mage
Disguise Alarra (as whatever you have been...keeping it consistant)

What's everyone else thinking?

With Murska away for the weekend I intend to send the kill in in around 9 hours unless I hear some arguement.
If I should be sending in any of the other actions just let me know. Might be easier for lex if she got one consolidated

PM of our actions. I don't really know wolf etiquette

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From : Qwaz
To : Haruki-kun
Date : 2011-01-16 18:40
Title : Re: itp Battle for Alarra night 2
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I'm given to believe IP and if we can influence him night on night to scry various people we can use him to find the other

Seer/fool (fool's only accurte reading usually).

Maybe best to be sure.

Right, then. I'll be scrying Imperial Psycho. Objections?

Ahh so quite important not to void IP tonight then. Although we know he's got the potential to

be the fool. He might scry Alarra as a wolf regarless of what he's *meant* to scry her as.

Is this a path we want to go down?

I'm back now. As Alarra already knows, IP told me he'll scry her. I'm assuming Alarra disguised herself as a

villager - should we have her disguise herself as some sort of a powerrole to be sure of IP as well as possibly get more

into his trust?

As for the kill, no objection there. I'll be sending it along now, feel free to switch it if we come to another

conclusion.

Scry... perhaps we should make sure of IP? Or maybe scry someone else, whom we don't know of, to increase our general

knowledge more.

I did already disguise myself as a villager, which I think is probably the best idea given the heat I've been getting.

Disguising as a power role is always kind of a difficult thing to do because it can be disproven and puts pressure on you

to be 'useful'. I think villager is probably the smartest.

I think Indurain would be a fine target, if for no other reason than killing him would take suspicion somewhat off of me,

at least for those that know that I usually try to protect him.

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From : Qwaz
To : Matt K
Date : 2011-01-17 00:00
Title : Re: itp Battle for Alarra night 2
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Yeah sounds about right mate.

Watch out incase Murska calls an audible though

Just making sure, then I'll randomly void someone else then. I'm thinking Sanity 702.

I'll send in the vote this evening so in like 8 hours or so.

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From : Qwaz
To : Alarra, Haruki-kun, Matt K, Murska, Zanshin
Date : 2011-01-17 22:48
Title : Re: itp BfA Scry
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That's the other option. I've no problem with killing him, but while he does live, let's use him. I agree he is a

potential liability though while he lives the OTHER seer/fool cannot be sure what they are. That's not to mention Murska

and Shadow pondering about out there.

Maybe he should live up until the point we're about to kill one of his scries?

Scry Alarra.

Alarra is.... Scry Interference!

Hmm-mm. Damn.

Oh well. What now?

I think we should use IP to our advantage. His scry upon the other seer/fool should be trustworthy.

Gently prod him into scrying people who aren't us.

That way each night we get...

Unreliable scry from Imperial Psycho (might find the other seer(s) that way?)
Reliable scry from Haruki Kun
Our wolfy night kill

We can void anyone who's potentialy still a seer/baner...etc or IP if he's chosen to target one of us that night.

Alarra can continue to disguise herself and eventually she'll be in a real network spying.

Only thing to remember here is that we can't trust IP's scry.

Actually, I disagree. I've been thinking about it and... where can this go? Eventually he'll realize he's the fool and his

trust on Murska will be voided. In the meantime, he can still put several of us in danger if he (successfully) scries us

as wolves. Or else he's just drawing attention to us if he erroneously scries anyone else as a wolf.

I think he should live at most two more nights. We've no use for him.

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From : Murska
To : Qwaz
Date : 2011-01-16 15:51
Title : Re: itp Battle for Alarra night 2
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I'm back now. As Alarra already knows, IP told me he'll scry her. I'm assuming Alarra disguised herself as a villager -

should we have her disguise herself as some sort of a powerrole to be sure of IP as well as possibly get more into his

trust?

As for the kill, no objection there. I'll be sending it along now, feel free to switch it if we come to another

conclusion.

Scry... perhaps we should make sure of IP? Or maybe scry someone else, whom we don't know of, to increase our general

knowledge more.

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From : Murska
To : Lex-kat, Qwaz
Date : 2011-01-16 15:52
Title : Battle for Alarra N2
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Targetting Indurain for death, kthx. As usual, superceded by other options sent later.

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From : Haruki-kun
To : Qwaz
Date : 2011-01-17 15:15
Title : FW: I scry with my little eyes...
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Imperial Psycho tonight, please.

Imperial Psycho is.... Indurain (Seer/Fool)

Confirmed. Imperial Psycho is either the fool, or is the seer and lying about scrying you as a wolf.

Less likely scenarios include him already being in contact with another scryer.

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From : Zanshin
To : Qwaz
Date : 2011-01-17 19:17
Title : Re: itp BfA Scry
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Scry Alarra.

Alarra is.... Scry Interference!

Hmm-mm. Damn.

Oh well. What now?

I think that was to be expected (I'm suprised it wasn't done on Night 1), since this game has a lot of long-timers AND it

is about Alarra. No one seems to be pointing at her today yet, so that is a good sign. The Thufir bandwagon seems to be

steaming along nicely as well.

The subterfuge center of my brain has been on hold- ironically due to RL issues- so if there is a pattern we can

exploit I don't see it yet. I just now saw a possibility: Helgraf's post on Day 2.

We kill him, or Lady T, and it could implicate Szilard or cd4.

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From : Zanshin
To : Qwaz
Date : 2011-01-17 23:23
Title : Re: itp BfA Scry
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This rule bothers me about any alliance with IP:

(The role of who is the Fool, and who is the Seer is randomly changed throughout the game.)

As the fool (which until proven otherwise we can assume he is), we should have him scry a villager as many nights as we

can. If he hits a "Wolf", we get a free day kill. And the good part is when that person shows up as a Villager, oops, I

guess you've changed from Seer to Fool.

Of course that'll be the last day we can use him and he must die.

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From : Murska
To : Qwaz
Date : 2011-01-20 14:38
Title : FW: itp BfA Scry
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Scry

Alarra.

Alarra is.... Scry Interference!

Maybe we should try again tonight? The other scrier is probably giving up. Unless he's thinking like us. Hmm.

I think I'll leave Alarra for now. I'm going for Atreyu the Masked Llama at random.

I am unsure whether to contact whoever I scry as playgrounder though. Given that there is a 50% chance I am the fool (I

think), It seems only a matter of time until I give up my role to a Wolf. (I assume you aren't secretly a wolf because I

haven't been nightkilled )

I suggest that if you scry them as a powerrole, contact, if not, you can have me contact claiming to be the seer or just

stay silent. After all, people we scry as villagers don't really help us until we have someone for them to vote out.

[Rogue Nine]

To Lady T- if I had any idea my outlandish post would have ended up the way it did... I probably still would have done it. Sorry.

But I did not expect to take the Killer out with me. My plan was to claim I was the victim of a malevolent Disguiser.

[cd4]

So we are left with the fact that Murska is the professor.

With the fact that IP trusted Murska it could easily be that IP was the fool when he scried Murska and Murska decided to string him along and make him think that he was the seer that night.

Yes I was vindicated and totally correct about what happened night 1. I had also found the professor. Pity Murska bluff beat my persuade roll. No wonder the wolves killed me that night.

[Imperial Psycho]

People kinda overestimated how much I trusted Murska, tbh. I defended him a bit, but only saying 'I've known him for some time and wolves haven't got me.'

I was actually somewhat suspicious of him for some time. I didn't tell him who I scried after night 2.