Warhammer 40K Tabletop X: "Everybody Expects The Inquisition!"

[Closet_Skeleton]

Yeah, but then my Terminators won't arrive at their targets at the same time. Meaning, my opponent has the opportunity to focus fire that single squad of Terminators.

The threat of your opponent not knowing where that unit is going to be can be useful even if they don't end up that far ahead of the rest of your army.

You can also drop them outside of your deployment zone at the side.

[Razaele]

The threat of your opponent not knowing where that unit is going to be can be useful even if they don't end up that far ahead of the rest of your army.

You can also drop them outside of your deployment zone at the side.

True. I suppose if I get first turn, I could do this. I'm not too comfortable with Deepstriking though, since my Scatter Dice hates me. I wouldn't want to take an unnecessary risk and end up with a Deepstrike Mishap.

[Incomp]

The lost and the damned list from Codex: Eye of Terror hasn't been legal for years.

*shrug*

Just trying to be helpful.

[Mr Chief]

*shrug*

Just trying to be helpful.

I found it helpful. Not quite what I was looking for, due to a lack of psykers, but still helpful.

[Cheesegear]

I found it helpful. Not quite what I was looking for, due to a lack of psykers, but still helpful.

Just play Imperial Guard. Convert. Done.

[Tome]

Hey, the internet, I have a question for you. I want to start a witch-y themed army, like a big cult type thing and was wondering which list would work best for this. I have looked at using a bunch of sanctioned psykers and the enemies of the Witch Hunters section of the WH codex so far. The former feels too much like a unit spam and not a real list and the second dosen't have many units. It dosn't have to even be a competitive list at all, and can be from imperial armour, or even a well made fan one. This always seemed like a very 40k-ish thing to have around but I never have seen such a thing.

Well, the upcoming Grey Knights Codex is likely to have a large number of Psykers (which is to say, according to rumour, everything) so you might find that a option.

[Irbis]

Well, the upcoming Grey Knights Codex is likely to have a large number of Psykers (which is to say, according to rumour, everything) so you might find that a option.

Everything?

There is a grand total of zero non-psychic units, save for some models in some entries, by overall, everyone in entry has at least one psychic model. Ahem.

The only problem is, his 'witchy' army consisting of 2+ save models is going to be rather hard to count-as.

By the way, I posted spoilers, and as usual, nothing happened. There were more posts requesting spoilers than discussing them. Oh, well.

Maybe this extra proof spoilers are real will start something :P

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[Cheesegear]

By the way, I posted spoilers, and as usual, nothing happened. There were more posts requesting spoilers than discussing them. Oh, well.

Partly because you didn't provide any sources.
Partly because a lot of people have already seen them.
Partly because nobody cares about rumours.

I tried sending you a PM, but your Inbox appears to be full.

[Winterwind]

I have that battle report I promised practically finished, except for the diagrams showing what actually happened during the battle. Not sure I'll manage to make them today though, as I want to finish painting a model or a few (at least my second Fire Prism) before the tournament tomorrow. Painting will not be rated, but I'd rather have my army look nice regardless. It's their first tournament, after all (they grow up so fast *sniff* ).

Speaking of which, I got only one reply to:

Next Saturday, I'll be participating in a 2v2 tournament. There will be three games (each time against a different team); two of these games will involve mission objectives, one will be usual annihilation. Each player has 750 points, and each team has only one Army Organisation Plan (i.e., it's enough if one player has an HQ and two Troops, and both players together may not have more than three Support, Elite and Assault choices). Synergy between armies is not allowed (i.e., no using the other player's transport, no using the other player's army's special rules, etc.). Oh yeah, and they finally banned Imperial Armour/Forgeworld in the tournaments here, too. Yay!

My ally is going to play Chaos Daemons, and was (the last time I spoke him, anyway) considering to use Kairos Fateweaver, a Soulgrinder, a unit of Bloodcrushers and a unit of Plaguebearers. Do you think this would be a good list to use under these conditions?

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HQ
Farseer - 178 Points
- Singing Spear, Runes of Warding, Spirit Stones, Doom, Fortune, Eldar Jetbike

TROOPS
Pathfinders (x7) - 168 Points

Guardian Jetbikes (x7) - 174 Points
- Shuriken Cannon (x2)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Fire Prism - 115 Points

Fire Prism - 115 Points

Total: 750 Points

The Saturday in question being tomorrow now. So, any last advice, maybe?

[Cheesegear]

Speaking of which, I got only one reply to:
The Saturday in question being tomorrow now. So, any last advice, maybe?

The only thing I can really suggest is find points for a Warlock with Conceal on your Jetbikes. But, I'm not really sure where you're going to find those points. So, yeah...It doesn't look that good. But, the only way to fix it is to just redo the whole list. Which you don't want to do, right?

[Ninja Chocobo]

Rumours, at this stage, I can't see being definite. I mean we didn't know bollocks on the Dark Eldar until like a week before they got released.
Models, are harder to change once they have pictures. That giant walker dude looks dumb though.

Speaking of which, I got only one reply to:
The Saturday in question being tomorrow now. So, any last advice, maybe?

"Holy arse, re-rolls".
I get the distinct feeling any opponents you have will hate you.

[Cheesegear]

Rumours, at this stage, I can't see being definite. I mean we didn't know bollocks on the Dark Eldar until like a week before they got released.
Models, are harder to change once they have pictures. That giant walker dude looks dumb though.

All we really knew about Dark Eldar was that they had poison. So exciting...It really wasn't. And, even then, the Codex was only on preview for two weeks before release - and only if you had pre-ordered it - as opposed to the three weeks-to-a-month previews that we're used to.

The giant walker...Thing...Looks completely stupid.

[Tarinaky]

The giant walker...Thing...Looks completely stupid.

I blame the Tau :p

In seriousness, it's probably just a variant dreadnought.

[Ninja Chocobo]

In seriousness, it's probably just a variant dreadnought.

Current speculation calls it a "Dreadknight", and it has a psycannon with like, a hojillion shots.

[Tarinaky]

Colour me unimpressed.

All it means is that for the next few months everyone needs to remember to take Plasmaguns until the next non-SpaceMarine army comes out.

[Winterwind]

The only thing I can really suggest is find points for a Warlock with Conceal on your Jetbikes. But, I'm not really sure where you're going to find those points. So, yeah...It doesn't look that good. But, the only way to fix it is to just redo the whole list. Which you don't want to do, right?

Yeah, Conceal would be great... not sure what to remove either, though. I wouldn't mind redoing the whole list if it meant making it more effective, though - however, I don't know what exactly my partner has available, nor whether he will be willing to change his list, so whatever change you suggest, bear in mind I should probably bring at least two Troops choices, as my partner is likely to bring no more than one, and that it should compliment his list (Kairos Fateweaver, Soulgrinder, some number of Bloodcrushers, some number of Plaguebearers) well.

Also, since the tournament will be tomorrow, I will have to make do with the models I already have. Namely:
- Farseer on Jetbike
- Warlock on Jetbike
- 12 Jetbikes (4 with Shuriken Cannons)
- 15 Rangers/Pathfinders
- 10 Fire Dragons (with Exarch, bearing Dragonbreath)
- 2 Fire Prisms
- Wave Serpent with EML

I could put together a second Jetbike-Warlock, if necessary, and if I really rushed I guess I could put 10 Striking Scorpions together as well, but that's about all I could do (and I'd prefer to spend the time finishing the painting of my second Fire Prism).

Judging by past tournaments I witnessed, I expect almost only Space Marines (of different variations), maybe with a few Imperial Guard armies in between. In the two games I've had so far, the Fire Prisms always proved highly effective; the Jetbikes and Pathfinders varied (in one game against Black Templar, the Jetbikes were so-so, but the Pathfinders were awesome, in the other, against Imperial Guard, the Pathfinders were so-so - though at least they did a good job against carapace armour - and the Jetbikes were awesome).

"Holy arse, re-rolls".
I get the distinct feeling any opponents you have will hate you.

"Hate the game, don't hate the player".
Eh, if you mean they'd hate me because it's effective, all the better. If you mean they hate me because it's annoying, I think I can offset that with general niceness and quick rolling.

[Arcanoi]

The giant walker...Thing...Looks completely stupid.

Well, I happen to like it. Of course, it's completely damaging to the setting and makes Dreadnoughts look like clunky child's toys in the sake of 'Cool! Mecha!' but I will be converting or proxying the hell out of this codex once its a little less FOTMy.

[Ricky S]

Isnt the knight dreadnought thing just a smaller version of the 9m tall knight titan? Or depending on the scale of the model it might actually be a knight walker. They almost exclusively are used on mars now for defence since the titans replaced their role on the battlefield. They were really cool back in the day and I could see the grey knights having a few lying around seeing as they are obsessed with religion and keeping tradition. It does look a bit odd but I suspect that is because it is just standing straight. If it was in a walking position it would look far more natural.

[Irbis]

The giant walker...Thing...Looks completely stupid.

*cough*Penitent Engine Mk II*cough*

Except pilot isn't stupid and actually wears 2+ armour and has some guns.

Also, Apothecary, Teleport Packs, Paladins, Champion and a few other things on picture don't warrant mention?

They were really cool back in the day and I could see the grey knights having a few lying around seeing as they are obsessed with religion and keeping tradition.

Religion?

I think you mean Sisters here. Or Space Marines. I don't remember GK having any religious beliefs, they don't even have Chaplains, IIRC.

[Erloas]

I'm going to disagree with Cheesegear on the warlock. Conceal is a reasonable choice on a guardian squad, but nothing else. A 7 strong unit doesn't have enough bodies to have a 5+ do a whole lot for it, its not like a 20+ strong unit of boyz or nids where attrition is a given. Besides, early turns when you are getting into position you have a free 3+ cover save, and once you get into position your normal movement (ie assault move) should make it so it is very rare that you can't get normal cover (which is a better save too). Besides, you have to take more then 6 AP3(or better) wounds on the unit before conceal is better then having the two extra bodies that the warlock costs compared to normal jetbikes (well its only 1 extra body when you count the warlock, 2 if you compare it to what you have now). Most armies (especially at 750 points) aren't going to have that many, especially since most of the things that fit the role will be looking at the prisms. In most cases I expect you will loss the jetbikes to attrition in which case you will never even use the conceal save.

Normally I would also suggest more troops on the chance of an objective based game, but with a team (especially deamons) I wouldn't expect that to be a problem.

[Winterwind]

I'm going to disagree with Cheesegear on the warlock. Conceal is a reasonable choice on a guardian squad, but nothing else. A 7 strong unit doesn't have enough bodies to have a 5+ do a whole lot for it, its not like a 20+ strong unit of boyz or nids where attrition is a given. Besides, early turns when you are getting into position you have a free 3+ cover save, and once you get into position your normal movement (ie assault move) should make it so it is very rare that you can't get normal cover (which is a better save too). Besides, you have to take more then 6 AP3(or better) wounds on the unit before conceal is better then having the two extra bodies that the warlock costs compared to normal jetbikes (well its only 1 extra body when you count the warlock, 2 if you compare it to what you have now). Most armies (especially at 750 points) aren't going to have that many, especially since most of the things that fit the role will be looking at the prisms. In most cases I expect you will loss the jetbikes to attrition in which case you will never even use the conceal save.

Mmm, true enough; something similar was my reasoning for not putting a Warlock into this list in the first place (though I admit last game I had I really wished I had had a Warlock with Conceal. Though to be fair, that was against Imperial Guard who really loved Stormtroopers...).

Normally I would also suggest more troops on the chance of an objective based game, but with a team (especially deamons) I wouldn't expect that to be a problem.

There will be three games (each against different opponents); one will be Annihilation with some minor special rules I've forgotten, one will be dividing the table in four quartiers and having one objective per quarter, with one side being defender (and having to roll for each unit in which quarter it starts), with the attacker side coming from the table's edges, and one that will be basically the normal 1d3+2 mission objective game, Pitched Battle, except for having the Night Fighting rule during the first turn.

And yeah, I'm having a bit of a bad feeling about going in with so few troops myself, but with one unit being infiltrators, one being jetbikes, my partner being Daemons, and my tanks being fast skimmers, I think we should manage.

[Renegade Paladin]

Generaly speaking I'd say launchers since they have 1. Better reach and 2. flexability. However if you run a list like Renegade Paladin that is supposed to be up close and personal then the flamers work. Flamers are also quite good in city fight.

To be absolutely fair, it isn't my list that's designed to be up close and personal so much; I just have a pair of units in Chimeras that do. Everyone else sits back with lascannons, missile launchers, and yes, grenade launchers, at least when I have the points to fit all that in. And I only have it set up that way because I'm allying with Space Wolves of late, and they're going to bloody well charge forward no matter what I do; putting some bullet bait in the form of APCs and a Demolisher up front helps immensely. And even without that, you can't just bunker up around your objective all the time and hope to ever win a game; that's a recipe for a draw at the very best. If you're not prepared to move forward to capture, then you simply won't.

[Lowkey Lyesmith]

To be absolutely fair, it isn't my list that's designed to be up close and personal so much; I just have a pair of units in Chimeras that do. Everyone else sits back with lascannons, missile launchers, and yes, grenade launchers, at least when I have the points to fit all that in. And I only have it set up that way because I'm allying with Space Wolves of late, and they're going to bloody well charge forward no matter what I do; putting some bullet bait in the form of APCs and a Demolisher up front helps immensely. And even without that, you can't just bunker up around your objective all the time and hope to ever win a game; that's a recipe for a draw at the very best. If you're not prepared to move forward to capture, then you simply won't.

Okey, somewhat, but not extremly, up close and personal then

[Cheesegear]

*cough*Penitent Engine Mk II*cough*

That's a crap model too. What's your point?

Also, Apothecary, Teleport Packs, Paladins, Champion and a few other things on picture don't warrant mention?

Obviously not.

[Talkkno]

How are you supposed to use Lysander?

[Cheesegear]

How are you supposed to use Lysander?

Honestly, with great difficulty.

Okay, two things he does;

Gives a ruin or fortification in your Deployment Zone +1 Cover Save. So, put an objective there.

Makes your army Stubborn. The only time your Leadership ever gets modified in any significant way is when you lose Assault by truckloads.

Lysander lends himself to shooty-heavy armies that don't move forwards a lot. Whatever you've got sits in that three-storey 3+ cover save ruin and shoots the crap out of things, then every unit you have should be a tarpit. Yeah. Play defensively.

Lysander is not aggressive. That's one of the reasons everyone hates him.

[Razaele]

Honestly, with great difficulty.

Okay, two things he does;

Gives a ruin or fortification in your Deployment Zone +1 Cover Save. So, put an objective there.

Makes your army Stubborn. The only time your Leadership ever gets modified in any significant way is when you lose Assault by truckloads.

Lysander lends himself to shooty-heavy armies that don't move forwards a lot. Whatever you've got sits in that three-storey 3+ cover save ruin and shoots the crap out of things, then every unit you have should be a tarpit. Yeah. Play defensively.

Lysander is not aggressive. That's one of the reasons everyone hates him.

Also, he works incredibly well when attached to Sternguard. Not only does he allow them to re-roll any failed to hit rolls with their Bolters, he also makes everything think twice before assaulting that squad.

I don't think the Dreadknight looks bad at all. I mean yeah, there is only so much that I can discern from that blurry photo, but it reminds me of the APU's from The Matrix. I can just imagine myself yelling "KNUCKLE UP!!" before I unleash it's supposed "hojillion" Psycannon shots at the enemy.

[EndlessWrath]

Soooo... My brother plays orks. I kind of know the codex, well enough to know certain parts.. He's still a beginnerish. Basically some one of his starting games he had orks explained to him. When he did, they told him when he waaaaghed with nobz and charged they gained a bonus to toughness (T5) and that it was unrelated to furious charge. Being the..kind of guy I am I contest rules I've never heard of or don't understand and ask the person (ally or opponent) to look it up and show me. I have a habit of doing this unfortunately.. but the rules are the rules and they're there for a reason. Anyways since he could not prove or disprove that it existed or point out where.. I had to assume it was incorrect.

Does anyone know if the nobz get T5 under any circumstance? Especially note if its related to the waaagh. Please and thank you for your help, I've poured over my notes and whatnot for an hour.

Also... note. Scouts with combat blades and pistols.. not as bad as I thought. Most enjoyable to outflank and assault a 30boyz mob and win
-Wrath

[Arcanoi]

Does anyone know if the nobz get T5 under any circumstance? Especially note if its related to the waaagh. Please and thank you for your help, I've poured over my notes and whatnot for an hour.

Nobz on Bikes get T4(5), which means they're T5 but still suffer Instant Death from S8 as though they were T4. Totally unrelated to the Waaagh! Rule.

[EndlessWrath]

Nobz on Bikes get T4(5), which means they're T5 but still suffer Instant Death from S8 as though they were T4. Totally unrelated to the Waaagh! Rule.

I knew about the bike rule. I meant standard nobz (not bikes) but thank you.