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second burn? What second burn?
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I for one enjoy spicy things for the flavor of it. It may be suprising to people, but burning your tongue off actually has a distinct and good flavor while its melting. You just got to train yourself to focus more on the flavor and less on the melting.
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All the exits?... Ouch I haven't been going to the right places.
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2011-12-26, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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See, I come from an area full of spice-wimps. You know, the kind of people that complain about how spicy the food is from China Express. I used to think I was daring when I ate straight jalepenos. The kind of spicy I'm into is the burn I get when eating Taco Bell.
But, I have heard of people eating the spiciest thing on a menu and smelling like it for three days. I sure Matt would find that kind of thing manly. Radic, not so much.
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2011-12-26, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Capsaicin - the taste of spicy...
I'll leave it to Coffee to give it a rational name. I've repressed all IUPAC nomenclature beyond the most basic.Avatar by CoffeeIncluded
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2011-12-26, 03:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry can someone translate that chemical into how much torture am I gonna get for eating it?
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2011-12-26, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-26, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Somewhere around 15 million Scoville units, if you chewed on pure capsaicin. Warning - the hottest chili peppers are about a million Scoville units.
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Ooh! I'm a student of chemical engineering! I should know this. Except, I don't. I'd be able to name that without looking up some IUPAC naming conventions in my orgo-chem book if it weren't for that meddling N.
As it is, the reason why this molecule is normally referred to as "capsaicin" is because its formal name is (E)-N-[(4-hydroxy-3-methoxyphenyl)methyl]-8-methylnon-6-enamide.
I can at least tell you what makes it so effective chemically. The ring-area has the polar -OH and -O- groups on it, which allows allows that end to stick to your tongue like a magnet. This gives it ample opportunity to react with your tongue and give you the allergic reaction that we think of as the "spicy" taste. The long, hydrophobic tail on the other side of the ring is what makes it to difficult to eliminate the taste from your mouth - it keeps it from dissolving properly in your saliva, hence the substance coats your tongue and won't wash off no matter how much water you chase it with.
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2011-12-27, 05:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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It attaches to heat receptors and activates them. Apparently alcohol is a very effective way of rinsing the mouth, because of aforementioned nonpolar groups. Dwarven ale (was it 240 proof?) should be very effective in three ways - a) get rid of the capsaicin, b) get Radic into bed, c) make sure Matt is so drunk nothing actually happens (as one of my favorite podcasts put it "a woman can just close her eyes and go to a happy place, a man has to perform").
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2011-12-27, 11:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yup, it's the whole "like dissolves like" concept. The polar head of capsaicin isn't as polar as water, but it is roughly the same polarity as an alcohol, so alcohols and other slightly-less-polar liquids will lift the heads off your tongue. There is still that hydrophobic tail to worry about, however. Though it's not as "phobic" to alcohols as it is to water, I still don't think it will dissolve very well. I guess your main hope is to use a large amount of solvent and hope for the best. That dwarf on the other table is onto something.
On the other hand, if you use a liquid like hexane or dichloromethane that is nonpolar enough to dissolve the tail, not only will you probably make yourself sick, but it won't be polar enough to dissolve the head.
Moral of the story: chewing pure capsaicin is for crazy people who don't realize what kind of chemical nightmare they're getting themselves into.
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What? Kill the heretic! *retrieves torch and pitchfork*
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2011-12-27, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Capsaicin toxicity:
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Capsaicin is a highly irritant material requiring proper protective goggles, respirators, and proper hazardous material handling procedures. Capsaicin takes effect upon skin contact (irritant, sensitizer), eye contact (irritant), ingestion, and inhalation (lung irritant, lung sensitizer). Severe over-exposure to pure capsaicin can result in death; the lethal dose (LD50 in mice) is 47.2 mg/kg.
Painful exposures to capsaicin-containing peppers are among the most common plant-related exposures presented to poison centers. They cause burning or stinging pain to the skin, and if ingested in large amounts by adults or small amounts by children, can produce nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain and burning diarrhea. Eye exposure produces intense tearing, pain, conjunctivitis and blepharospasm.Last edited by Asta Kask; 2011-12-28 at 08:49 AM.
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That gives me a wicked idea of getting a torture chamber involved in a DnD campaign with the main method of torture being a poison powder called capsaicin.
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I like something I make called oil of evil. Basically, when stripping seeds and membrane from peppers, especially serrano and hotter, I put them in a jar with everclear. Warm it up, let it stand at about 100 f for several hours, then let is stand at room temp for about a week.
strain, leave open to dry a bit. You get left with an oily alcohol. Paint it on surfaces with a brush, the alcohol evaporates fast, leaving just a slight oil residue that has a large amount of "the cap". Excellent prank/revenge item.Writer, editor. See my works at http://theleakingpen.net
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Leakingpen, that may be the most devious thing I've ever heard of anyone doing.
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Oh, and don't do this. It never helps.
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