MS Paint Adventures 4: 13

[Derjuin]

Just noticed, you can see the Battleship Condescension in the Mars ad . I'm really curious now what Bro's/Mom's real names are, now. I also wonder if the names the guardian-kids have now (Jane Crocker/Jake English) are the same as the names they had as guardians in the pre-scratched universe?

[LoneStarNorth]

I think it's likely Jake and Jane have different surnames post-scratch. In the pre-scratch universe, Jane most likely took the name of the guy she married and had Dad with. Post-scratch, however, she would keep the Crocker name as her guardian was a man. I know not every woman takes her husband's name, but it is common, especially back when Jane/John would have gotten married.

On the other hand, Jade's surname, Harley, was something her grandpa took from his beloved childhood pet. If the pre-scratch universe follows the same pattern, then Jake's situation just keeps getting more disturbing. I'm betting either Doc Scratch or Lord English himself (or both!) live on Jake's island, serving Bec's tole as adoptive guardian.

[Oracle_Hunter]

Jake English is clearly being set up as an entity linked to Lord English. I'm not sure if it is due to us knowing Hussie's style, or if it really is that obvious, but it's all there, already.

Of course, this could be a threat that Hussie is simply going to ignore or divert later (e.g. Jake is part of paradox slime that made Lord English originally) but it is frankly alarming at how obvious it seems so early in the new act.

Oh, and the bizarre mixture of Trolls, Time-Travel, and Interplanetary Travel within the first dozen pages of Scratch-Verse is also sounding some klaxons.

[Shadow of the Sun]

Well, there are a few things that could do with Jake and Lord English:

- Jake becomes LE for some reason, which I deem unlikely.
- LE takes his title from Jake, but is a separate entity - which makes quite a lot of sense, to be honest. Jake is kind of responsible for pretty much everything that Jack Noir has done via Liv Tyler...so I could see English taking his title from Jake. Remember that Scratch has said that Lord English ISN'T his real name, but a title he took.
- It's completely unconnected and Hussie is screwing with us (which I do think is quite possible).

Also. Jake is effectively a human Equius. We've got the fascination with the ranged weapons, the skill with robotics, the disinclination to swear and using euphemisims, the reaction to the idea of Jane having a dream about him fogging up his glasses and such...maybe I'm grasping at straws, but Jake REALLY reminds me of Equius. Which is good, because I liked Equius.

[irenicObserver]

I've never experienced an updating Homestuck before, it feels weird.

Okay Jane has Hemera, personification of daytime. Hmmm.

[kagato23]

irenic, your new to the fandom then? Yeah, old mpsa is back, in the sense that updates are usually daily and mulitiple. You might want to get the mspa notifier. Just google that, you'll find it.

[Anarion]

Jake English is clearly being set up as an entity linked to Lord English. I'm not sure if it is due to us knowing Hussie's style, or if it really is that obvious, but it's all there, already.

Of course, this could be a threat that Hussie is simply going to ignore or divert later (e.g. Jake is part of paradox slime that made Lord English originally) but it is frankly alarming at how obvious it seems so early in the new act.

Oh, and the bizarre mixture of Trolls, Time-Travel, and Interplanetary Travel within the first dozen pages of Scratch-Verse is also sounding some klaxons.

My guess is that he's suggesting that there are two versions of some characters in the scratched universe: the one that evolved fresh in that universe and the one that traveled out of the scratched Sburb session in one manner or another. All the crazy time and space stuff is simply serving to obscure where all these characters are so they can reappear at important times later.

Well, there are a few things that could do with Jake and Lord English:

- Jake becomes LE for some reason, which I deem unlikely.
- LE takes his title from Jake, but is a separate entity - which makes quite a lot of sense, to be honest. Jake is kind of responsible for pretty much everything that Jack Noir has done via Liv Tyler...so I could see English taking his title from Jake. Remember that Scratch has said that Lord English ISN'T his real name, but a title he took.
- It's completely unconnected and Hussie is screwing with us (which I do think is quite possible).

Also. Jake is effectively a human Equius. We've got the fascination with the ranged weapons, the skill with robotics, the disinclination to swear and using euphemisims, the reaction to the idea of Jane having a dream about him fogging up his glasses and such...maybe I'm grasping at straws, but Jake REALLY reminds me of Equius. Which is good, because I liked Equius.

I think your option 2 might have it backwards. Although it's true that Jake is partially responsible for the creation of Lord English due to his work on Liv Tyler, it's much more likely that Jake's name arises from the influence of an already existing Lord English on the new universe. We're hip deep in paradox space here, so causation is...dicey, but it still seems like the influence of Lord English in arranging his own creation is great enough that it would be English influencing Jake's name and characteristics rather than the opposite.

Also, I don't think Hussie is just messing with us. He does all sorts of absurd things for laughs, but pretty much every time, they end up being really important and relevant at a serious point in the narrative. Plus, even if he did pick the name English to mess with us, he must have known that it would be impossible to prevent the fan theories from spiraling off into madness.

[TheArsenal]

Hey guys, Is anybody suddenly interested in in buying some wonderfull

Betty Crocker Gushers?

Isn't Betty Crocker wonderfull?

[Gez]

Huh, so Betty Crocker is doing a They Live kind of thing according to this page.

I really don't think this Scratch-verse is going in the right direction

That "cease reproduction" thing. Combined with Betty Crocker being the Condesce. Are humans being replaced by trolls?

[Morganatic]

Guy Fieri? Famous chef, kind of. Has a show on the Food Network, called "Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives". Pretty awesome. He came to my town for the BBQ

~ ♅

smash mouth eat the gushers

Also, I don't think Hussie is just messing with us. He does all sorts of absurd things for laughs, but pretty much every time, they end up being really important and relevant at a serious point in the narrative. Plus, even if he did pick the name English to mess with us, he must have known that it would be impossible to prevent the fan theories from spiraling off into madness.

I think there's no real guarantee that anything means anything at this point, since Hussie clearly just leaves himself about a thousand different things he could choose to become relevant later on, depending on his whims/what makes sense at the time. So at present, Jake is equally likely to be English, or not.

[Midnight Lurker]

Rebranding complete...

OH CRAP.

[Draconi Redfir]

That "cease reproduction" thing. Combined with Betty Crocker being the Condesce. Are humans being replaced by trolls?

Maybe their's just no point since the entire species is going to be extinct (again) soon?

[Oracle_Hunter]

Rebranding complete...

OH CRAP.

I'm beginning to suspect that the next dozen or so pages are going to be one constant stream of pants-crapping moments.

[Lix Lorn]

Thought: Visits to Mars? So we're not Earth-bound anymore?
So Sburb won't wipe us out..? It's not like we have a vast glub to help finish us off.

I was also toying with the theory that in a scratched universe, Feferi would be Crocker, rather than the condesce. This would explain why Jane is still heiress, while John HATED the very mention.
Doesn't quite explain why the propoganda is there. ._.

(Similarly, the pre-scratch Alternia which was nice was the one with Feferi in charge. Co-incidence? )

[Draconi Redfir]

as far as we know the scrach only affects the universe itself, not the universe that created it. so unlikely that it's feferi.

[Gez]

Plus there was that whole "English recruits Condesce" subplot which would have no point if he ended up using Fef instead of her ancestor.

[Lix Lorn]

Spoilsports.

[Friv]

Thought: Visits to Mars? So we're not Earth-bound anymore?
So Sburb won't wipe us out..? It's not like we have a vast glub to help finish us off.

The ad says that you can "be the first to visit Mars", implying that humans are just on the cusp of getting off-planet. And then we all die, presumably, because it's November 11th.

But hell, for all we know there is a Vast Glub for humans now, or some equivalent. The Vast Glub didn't seem to exist pre-Scratch on Alternia, since there were no lusii.

[Radar]

It might have been mentioned on some of those pages I skipped, but one of the recipes for the very worn hat includes the Matriorb. I'm quite sure, that this one will come up later.

[Anarion]

The ad says that you can "be the first to visit Mars", implying that humans are just on the cusp of getting off-planet. And then we all die, presumably, because it's November 11th.

But hell, for all we know there is a Vast Glub for humans now, or some equivalent. The Vast Glub didn't seem to exist pre-Scratch on Alternia, since there were no lusii.

It's contradictory so far. This add (and the fact that Mars is the easiest planet to get to) implies that humans are still stuck on Earth. But Crocker corp. was described in Jane's opening panels as a MULTIGLOBAL EMPIRE. That is, it spans more than one globe, which basically requires access to other planets.

[BRC]

The ad says that you can "be the first to visit Mars", implying that humans are just on the cusp of getting off-planet. And then we all die, presumably, because it's November 11th.

But hell, for all we know there is a Vast Glub for humans now, or some equivalent. The Vast Glub didn't seem to exist pre-Scratch on Alternia, since there were no lusii.

Were there no lusii? We know very little about pre-scratch alternia, just that it was a much nicer place to live. From the sound of things, much of Alternian culture is the result of Scratch using the Handmaiden to stir up conflict in order to better prepare the trolls for the game, but that dosn't mean there was no Lusii, or no vast glub.

[Friv]

Were there no lusii? We know very little about pre-scratch alternia, just that it was a much nicer place to live. From the sound of things, much of Alternian culture is the result of Scratch using the Handmaiden to stir up conflict in order to better prepare the trolls for the game, but that dosn't mean there was no Lusii, or no vast glub.

Whoops, I believe that you are right. After re-checking the page I remembered, it was Echidna that the trollcestors made a deal with - I thought that they'd made a deal with Gl'bgolyb, which gave them lusii. I blame Doc Scratch's narration, because it is easeir than blaming myself.

[Gez]

It's contradictory so far. This add (and the fact that Mars is the easiest planet to get to) implies that humans are still stuck on Earth. But Crocker corp. was described in Jane's opening panels as a MULTIGLOBAL EMPIRE. That is, it spans more than one globe, which basically requires access to other planets.

It may just mean the other planets are not inhabited with humans.

Now, what other species are out there is yet to be known. It could be the trolls again, since they had a multiglobal empire and there's the whole Condesce thing.

From what we've been told, the Condesce used to be the first to meet other civilizations and greet them, before the rest of the troll troops arrived and murdered everybody.

It might be what the rebranding heralds, now that I think about it...

[Capt. Ido Nos]

I don't think we were given enough info to know if the pre-scratch trolls had lusii or not, really. All we know was that their lives were more or less cushy, and it left them totally unprepared for the game. Maybe, this easy life also included a more family-centric society that precluded the need for lusii?

[Draconi Redfir]

i believe i recall Scratch mentioning Fef's lusus was a gift from him to the trolls, a sort of pet that can kill them if they don't take care of it properly.

And it's possible Humans have gone to other planets but just not mars yet, i mean look at the add, the humans have their helmets off, perhaps they spent the past few years terraforming Mars and re-heating it's core to support human life without the need for a biodome, while at the same time going off to inhabit other earth-like planets?

[tyckspoon]

i believe i recall Scratch mentioning Fef's lusus was a gift from him to the trolls, a sort of pet that can kill them if they don't take care of it properly.

Which doesn't really answer the question of whether or not the pre-Scratched trolls had lusii; they may just have not had vicious ones like Fef and Vriska's that encourage the harsher kill-or-be-killed mentality.

[Draconi Redfir]

Which doesn't really answer the question of whether or not the pre-Scratched trolls had lusii; they may just have not had vicious ones like Fef and Vriska's that encourage the harsher kill-or-be-killed mentality.

well it at least answers the question as to weather or not the pre-scratch trolls had a vast glub. answer; no, because their was no scratch to give it to them.


it's possible Lusii still existed but were just treated as wild animals such as gorillas and tigers and whatnot.

[TheArsenal]

Or maybe they where nice and protective, and helped with homework.

[Claudius Maximus]

Why do people use "lusii?" That's not correct in any capacity, ever.

[tyckspoon]

Why do people use "lusii?" That's not correct in any capacity, ever.

To annoy people like you.

Edit: Also because 'lususes', while the correct pluralization for a generic English word, is incredibly awkward.