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2013-09-17, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-17, 09:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think the vast, vast majority of that thread doesn't need to be included. It's about the alignment system and racism, but it's really not anything that needs to be archived. Like he said at the end, if you don't see those themes in his work, then you're simply not going to see them.
At best, the entire thread is just reiterating his already well known theme that "Killing something simply because it's labeled 'evil' in the monster manual, and not because of it's actions is wrong."
It was interesting to read, but really in the end I don't think archiving it here serves any real purpose that other quotes and the strip itself don't already state.
edit- Except the bit about strip #11, I nominate that to put under Roy.Last edited by NerdyKris; 2013-09-17 at 09:41 AM.
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2013-09-17, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'd favor linking the whole thread. It's eloquent and well thought out and deserves not to be lost. As a long-form statement of the author's motivating philosophy, you can't beat it.
The bit about comic #11 is comparatively trivial and not very illuminating, to me; it's basically a big shrug about the comic's early days and how it's not terrible but he wouldn't write it quite the same now, which is nothing we don't know about the first hundred strips already.
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2013-09-17, 10:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-17, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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I agree. Linking to the thread runs counter to the intent of indexing the Giant's comments. A large number of quotes we've already indexed are from large discussion thread posts, where the post itself might have been missed when it was first made (and certainly hard to locate afterward); I don't see why this one should be treated any differently.
Whether any of the particular posts deserve a spot in the oddly-triple-link entry we already have.......is another question entirely; one I don't have an opinion on.Last edited by Jasdoif; 2013-09-17 at 12:52 PM.
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2013-09-17, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-17, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-17, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-17, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-17, 07:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Giant identifies the most accurate comment in the history of the forums . To wit, that it might not have been such a good idea to have to draw so many minions.
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2013-09-17, 10:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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While I certainly appreciate being recognized as writing "the most accurate comment in the history of the forums," I don't think the quote serves any real purpose except to point out that drawing a lot of people (instead of fewer people) is hard. Seems self-evident to me.
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2013-09-18, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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New comment is up.
The destruction of Girard's Pyramid dispelling the winds of the Windy Canyon is a valid interpretation.
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2013-09-18, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Eh, with due respect to your thread, I don't think that seeming discrepancy has been noticed by enough people to merit a comment "explaining" it. Until the thread went up, I don't think many people gave it any heed, especially since the whole "Windy Windy Canyon" strip was years ago.
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2013-09-18, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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I figure people like the world building-y comments.
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2013-09-18, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've got to say, the comments made by the Giant (and by some, though far from all, others) in that Alien Intelligence thread are pretty classic. They may not qualify for inclusion based on their less-specific-to-OOTS subject matter, but I think that would be a shame.
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I had some... stuff... come up that I won't get into. Needless to say I will try to do the update later this week. In the meantime, keep suggesting stuff and remember if you want to nominate that a quote should be removed from the index make that plain in bold:
Nominating for removal etc. etc.
so that I won't overlook it when voting time comes."And yet, will we ever come to an end of discussion and talk if we think we must always reply to replies? For replies come from those who either cannot understand what is said to them, or are so stubborn and contentious that they refuse to give in even if they do understand." - St. Augustine
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2013-09-19, 07:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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I definitely support the "even dragons" post being included. There seems to be a decent amount of people who think that Rich is only trying to change the way Humanoids are treated. In fact, I distinctly remember someone insisting that the ogres and sea trolls seen in the comic are "not sentient."
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2013-09-20, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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I thought this post particularly summed up the limits of allowability and where and when the Giant is speaking out against. Then again, just because I found someone arguing that Sabine would completely cease to care about Nale (as she never really did being a succubus) the moment he bit the dust, and the Celia wasn't capable of lasting emotional connection either (being a personification of wind) doesn't mean that there was any suggestion to that effect in the comic, ever.
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=98
It says clearly that he does not have a problem with other portrayals of, say demons, but that he himself gives them human responses. Also he is specifically addressing D&D and how it's played, though I'm unclear to the extent that what he says is meant to or includes all sci-fi & fantasy literature. With the exception of some clear statements "if a fictional human kills a fictional dragon for no reason..."Last edited by Reddish Mage; 2013-09-20 at 09:56 AM.
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2013-09-20, 02:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is worth including, even if we take it down later: Vaarsuvius not disclosing the entirety of their dealings with the IFCC is because of the pressures of battle, not a desire to conceal. Roy knows there is more to come, even if he doesn't know what's coming.
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2013-09-20, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Probably pretty much common knowledge - I know I've stated it several times - but Giant confirms there are years left of story to tell.
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2013-09-21, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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OK, so since I was REALLY bored and wanted to see if I could get this to work....Here's the current state of the index in table-y form, with a an added "characters" section repeating relevant comments.
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{table=head]{colsp=3}Notices
02/24/2012|#870|[div]For Those Who Missed Out on Kickstarter[/div]The swag, sans patches, will be very likely available again at some point.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Miscellaneous Comments
07/06/2013|#897|[div]An OOTS "Munchkin" Board Game?[/div]No current plans for one.
06/10/2013|#892|[div]An OOTS Computer Game?[/div]No current plans for one. See here for more.
04/11/2011|#786|[div]eBooks[/div]Yes, Rich has considered it. Digital PDF's are not in the works. Rich prefers to sell physical copy books.
05/19/2010|#724|[div]Top Webcomics[/div]Do not vote for OOTS on Top Webcomics.[/table]
Alignment
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07/23/2013|#903|[div]Alignment and Authorial Intent[/div]What does Rich mean when he says X character is Y alignment?
07/22/2013|#903|[div]Who Else is Neutral[/div] A long list of Neutral characters in the comic. See also here.
06/06/2013|#891|[div]Shojo's Chaotic Government[/div]Shojo's Chaotic government was still good, not evil.
06/03/2013|#891|[div]More on Being Lawful[/div]More on being Lawful Good in D&D and the OOTS.
02/14/2013|#835|[div]D&D, Alignment, and Morality[/div]Rich on the comic's criticism of the way D&D has been played for over three decades. "D&D cannot and should not begin and end at black-and-white, and indeed already doesn't, if everyone would just learn to look at things a little more complexly." See also here (D&D "racism" and alignment) and here (the real world applicability of Redcloak's story).
02/18/2012|#838|[div]D&D's Alignment System[/div]Thoughts on how it could be improved.
01/23/2012|#830|[div]Redcloak is Evil[/div]
11/18/2011|#815|[div]Elan and Nale's Parentage[/div]How did it affect their alignment? Giant can't fully answer because of events yet to be revealed. Elan spared Nale's life because of Elan's understanding of what it means to be good.
10/25/2011|#812|[div]Alignment and Environment[/div]Enor and Gannji were not operating wholly outside the ethical framework of the Empire of Blood. This doesn't change the nature of their acts but does mean that the acts are not as indicative of their overall alignment as some might suppose.
10/24/2011|#812|[div]Enor & Gannji are True Neutral[/div]
08/17/2011|#801|[div]V is True Neutral[/div]
07/27/2011|#798|[div]Durkon is Lawful Good[/div]
12/07/2010|#763|[div]Tarquin is Lawful Evil[/div]
02/15/2006|#281|[div]On Being Lawful Good[/div]Being Lawful Good in D&D and the OOTS.
12/01/2005|#251|[div]Belkar is Chaotic Evil[/div]
01/20/2005|#142|[div]Nale, Sabine, and Thog are all Evil[/div][/table]
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06/28/2013|#896|[div]How the Giant Writes and Draws the Strips[/div]And an answer to the question - why are certain strips several pages long?
06/07/2013|#891|[div]Art Should Challenge Preconceptions[/div]
02/26/2013|#871|[div]Light and Art[/div]The art style doesn't show lighting and shading, much like how it doesn't show noses.
02/18/2013|#870|[div]Speech Bubbles[/div]Don't overthink them... they are subservient to the story. Malack's bubbles are only black when he "vamps out."
04/11/2012|#848|[div]Examples of Rich's Non-Stick-Figure Art Talent[/div]Rich's mad art skills on showcase. Also more here.
03/07/2012|#843|[div]True Subjective View In 843[/div]V gets cornered.
11/20/2010|#759|[div]Why the Strip Titles Aren't Above the Strip[/div]The titles are "bonus" jokes. Rich prefers not to put them above the strip itself.
10/06/2009|#683|[div]Character Appearances & Forum Speculation[/div]Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. For example, just because two persons have similar hairstyles doesn't mean they are related.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Art & Magic
07/26/2012|#859|[div]Meld Into Stone[/div]Art trumps rules accuracy here in order to show the warping of the spell effect.
01/23/2012|#830|[div]Counterspelling[/div]The Giant doesn't use different art to differentiate between counterspelling with Dispel Magic and counterspelling with the same spell.
06/28/2010|#731|[div]Spell Colors[/div]The colors come from the spellcaster's choice or personality, and not their alignment or the types of magic.
03/15/2010|#706|[div]Invisibility[/div]Why the art for invisible characters isn't consistent (utility trumps consistency).[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Art & Merchandise
11/22/2011|#816|[div]Characters and Merchandise[/div]The presence, absence, position, or style of any character on any piece of merchandise has no bearing on any future (or past) plot points.
03/16/2011|#781|[div]Black and White Books[/div]They are unlikely to ever be colorized, and were not originally in color. Rich drew them in black and white.
09/05/2010|#744|[div]The Oracle's Location on the OOTS Poster[/div]Don't read too much into it.[/table]
D&D Rules and Explanations
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06/11/2013|#873|[div]Girard's Illusion Runes[/div]They are a ninth-level spell, not an epic spell.
06/20/2012|#856|[div]Malack's Undead[/div]Malack reanimates the dead Draketooths into mummies.
04/06/2011|#785|[div]Acid-Born Shark[/div]Rich created it, and made fun of himself in the comic.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Character Items
03/03/2013|#878|[div]Why V Doesn't Have a Staff[/div]There is no narrative purpose for it, and it would just be one more item to keep track of in the art.
09/12/2012|#863|[div]The Keoghtum's Ointment[/div]The Keoghtum's Ointment removes deafness because it is extra strength.
03/09/2012|#844|[div]Durkon Throws Diamond Dust[/div]Durkon threw diamond dust into the air in 844.
05/29/2011|#793|[div]Haley's Boots of Speed[/div]Yes, she did get them dyed to match her brown/tan garb.
05/13/2010|#723|[div]Elan's Rapiers[/div]He has two. His original, and one from Julio Scoundrel.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Character Quirks
07/30/2013|#906|[div]Malack is not Paranoid[/div]
06/03/2013|#891|[div]V is a Vegetarian[/div][/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Character Stats
07/30/2013|#906|[div]Malack's Grapple Skills[/div]Malack's grapple skills were a hunting aid, not for optimization/combat. A character's skills have to be looked at in the context of their whole life, not "what I would do in a game."
04/09/2013|#883|[div]Vampire Durkon Can Cast Spells[/div]A cleric doesn't have to worship a deity to cast spells.
07/23/2012|#858|[div]Tarquin Doesn't Have Trap Sense[/div]"I don't usually bother making fun of mechanics anymore, but if I do, I'm not that subtle about it."
09/19/2011|#806|[div]Durkon's Mass Death Ward[/div]Rich did not even know Mass Death Ward existed when he wrote the strip. He pegged it at 7th level instead of 8th.
08/14/2011|#800|[div]Tsukiko Breaks The Rules[/div]Tsukiko has too many schools. Rich doesn't make character decisions based on common player trends.
04/10/2010|#714|[div]OOTS' Stats[/div]Rich hasn't written them down, and everything is up in the air until they need a specific ability.
01/03/2006|#262|[div]A Piece of Straw[/div]Haley used a piece of straw to get out of the jail cell. Info on Haley's Dexterity, Level, etc.
05/03/2004|#65|[div]Elan and Nale are Twins[/div]So Nale has the same Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution as Elan.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Combat Scenes and Explanations
03/02/2013|#876|[div]Malack and Mass Death Ward[/div]Why did Malack bother checking if Durkon protected himself when he could simply dispel the spell and not care at all?
02/28/2013|#873|[div]Battle Scenes and D&D Tactics[/div]"My job is to entertain, not to showcase perfect D&D tactics. If you can't be entertained by anything BUT perfect D&D tactics, that's on you."
10/06/2011|#808|[div]Roy's Arena Fight With Thog[/div]Roy's strategy to taunt a dungeon-crashing Thog into breaking the pillars.
09/07/2011|#800|[div]Zz'Ditri's Break Enchantment[/div]Rich didn't read the casting time while making the strip.
11/30/2005|#251|[div]Miko's Fight[/div]How Miko defeated the OOTS off-panel and captured them.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Rules Accuracy
01/10/2012|#826|[div]Rules Accuracy In The Comic, II[/div]Case in point: Rich avoids the D&D term "calling" for the sake of non-D&D OOTS readers, who probably would not understand its meaning.
09/20/2011|#806|[div]Game Balance Doesn't Matter in This Story[/div]"I was communicating the way I expected the audience would perceive it, then I began the process of abolishing that perception."
08/17/2011|#801|[div]Rules Accuracy In The Comic[/div]"If you are looking for moment-to-moment rules accuracy from this comic, you probably should stop reading."[/table]
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06/21/2013|#890|[div]About Girard's Double Bluff[/div]About Girard's double bluff to protect the Gate.
06/19/2013|#894|[div]Familicide II[/div]More on how Familicide works.
06/11/2013|#893|[div]The Dream Runes[/div]Elan's victory as character development. Also, Nale was the only LG member affected by the runes.
06/09/2013|#891|[div]Kubota and Hinjo[/div]Why Kubota still wanted to kill Hinjo after the other nobles had given up.
06/06/2013|#891|[div]The Azurite Nobles and Hinjo[/div]The nobles thought they could save their own skins from Xykon with Hinjo out of the way.
05/25/2013|#890|[div]What Belkar Saw[/div]What Belkar saw while affected by the dream runes.
04/09/2013|#882|[div]V's Children[/div]The Giant made them adopted to leave open the possibility that V/Inkyrius are gay or lesbian.
02/18/2013|#870|[div]Scrying in the Desert[/div]It was Zz'ditri who scryed on the Order after they found Girard's illusion.
11/25/2012|#859|[div]Dragon Continuity[/div]The Dragon Magazine strips and Gygax magazine strips exist in a separate continuity from the OOTS strips.
03/07/2012|#843|[div]Familicide[/div]How Familicide works.
02/18/2012|#838|[div]Some Thoughts on Visuals and Story[/div]People get invested in the story, not the art, of a comic.
09/01/2011|#804|[div]More Prequels?[/div]The total number of planned prequel stories is "pretty much fixed."
06/23/2010|#737|[div]Not everything needs a backstory[/div]Not everything needs a backstory, or even has an interesting one worth telling.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Calendars and Dates
07/02/2010|#732|[div]OOTS Age Range[/div]Intended to be early to mid 20s. Durkon is the "dwarf equivalent" of this age range, in his 50s.
05/26/2010|#725|[div]Chronology & Timeline[/div]Anything that states a numbered, dated year references the Northern calendar. The Oracle uses the Southern calendar. Further details on timeframe of Belkar's death prophecy included. Some time references in the strip (like the deva's chart) should not be taken too literally.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Culture and Geography
04/08/2013|#882|[div]Class Systems and Careers[/div]Also, FYI, Durkon isn't "white."
02/21/2013|#870|[div]Nergal and Undeath[/div]Nergal is not against undeath. Malack just doesn't like using the undead as canon fodder.
04/11/2012|#848|[div]Religions and Deities in OOTS World[/div]Background details on who worships whom, and on Thor, Hel, and the Twelve Gods.
09/12/2010|#746|[div]Map of the Western Continent[/div]It is constantly changing.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Reading Too Much Into It
03/01/2013|#875|[div]Malack's Chamber Plans[/div]This was intended to use the imagery of factory farming, not the Holocaust. Malack plans to create a vampire ruling class.
03/01/2013|#875|[div]Malack's Vampirism and LGBT[/div]Malack's condition is not an allegory for LGBT.
11/21/2011|#811|[div]Orrin Draketooth's Daughter[/div]She's not Haley.
04/11/2011|#786|[div]Belkar's Jokes[/div]Belkar making a joke about something does not make it so.
07/02/2010|#732|[div]Current Politics[/div]There are no references to current politics in the strip beyond those which readers invent themselves.
03/04/2010|#705|[div]TV Tropes[/div]Rich is aware it exists. No, he doesn't use it for ideas or reference it in any way in the comic.
10/26/2009|#687|[div]Pratchett[/div]Rich hasn't read Pratchett.
06/02/2009|#667|[div]Hidden Meanings[/div]Not everything in the comic has one.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Soon's Gate Backstory and Explanation
09/01/2011|#804|[div]Soon's Castle[/div]Soon built the castle, but did not build Azure City.
08/21/2011|#801|[div]Soon's Gem and Gate[/div]Details about Soon's rift and how it is protected. The gate/rift could not be moved. You can shift a gate to another plane, but not another place on this plane.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Storytelling Mistakes?
04/07/2013|#882|[div]On Character Importance and Leadership Skills[/div]The Giant doesn't feel a character suffers for not having "leadership skills," and won't force someone's development just to give them said skills.
03/02/2013|#876|[div]On Plots and Boredom[/div]"If one does not care about the protagonists or antagonists and is not emotionally invested in their struggles, and all one cares about is the resolution of the MacGuffin chase, then you will almost certainly be bored with a lot of the material I'm producing."
09/07/2012|#862|[div]True Resurrection[/div]True Resurrection as a narrative-wrecking device, and an answer to the age-old "why didn't x character do y?" question.
08/18/2012|#860|[div]A Missed Opportunity in 602?[/div]Why Hilgya was not the Cleric of Loki working for the Thieves' Guild.
03/20/2012|#845|[div]The Gods Created Creatures After The World Was Created[/div]Is this a contradiction? No. There is no Gaia hypothesis in OOTS world.
01/10/2012|#826|[div]No Purpose?[/div]"As a general rule of thumb, no one should say the sentence, 'There's no (or no other) possible narrative purpose for Rich to have done X!' until the story is completed. Because there's always a narrative purpose, you just haven't thought of what it is."
09/19/2011|#806|[div]Surprises Are Not Deus Ex Machinas[/div]
05/02/2009|#650|[div]Racism and Sex in OOTS[/div]Rich answers two separate concerns: One, whether there is some correlation between skin color and promiscuity, and two, whether there is too much promiscuity among the women portrayed in the comic. The short answer to both is no.
09/30/2008|#597|[div]Typo in 597?[/div]Nope. It is a joke.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Plot Holes
07/29/2013|#906|[div]Why Didn't Malack Prepare Word of Recall?[/div]Further explanation here and here (with a few remarks on plot holes in general).
06/19/2013|#894|[div]Did Durkon Lie?[/div]No, the Giant forgot that Durkon said he didn't prepare "Detect Magic."
06/11/2013|#893|[div]Why Didn't Girard Prepare a Better Trap Against Undead?[/div]"There is a big jump from knowing that illusions don't affect undead to being able to do anything about it--or expecting every defense to affect every possible creature type."
01/26/2013|#866|[div]Why Destroy Tsukiko's Remains if Redcloak was just going to tell Xykon he killed her?[/div]One reason is so that Xykon would be unable to Speak With Dead on Tsukiko... or Raise Dead.
11/30/2011|#816|[div]Giant's Response II[/div]A character thinking one thing instead of another thing is not a mistake, it just is. The rift grew according to Redcloak's predictions, but he was measuring the actual hole, not the cracks.
11/29/2011|#816|[div]Giant's Response I[/div]Including - why Haley was surprised that Miko was killed, info on Nale's self-delusion and ego, how the rift got so close to Xykon's Tower (it grew), and what is and isn't a plot hole.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Writing Process and Story Development
07/28/2013|#906|[div]Durkon Becomes a Vampire[/div]Originally, Durkon was going to become a vampire in the dungeon of Dorukan. This plot element has been developing for some time and even predates Xykon himself.
07/28/2013|#906|[div]Characters as Plot Devices[/div]Both Redcloak and Malack had humble beginnings that developed into something more.
07/28/2013|#906|[div]The Girard's Gate Plotline[/div]Tarquin and the LG are the main adversaries of this book; Team Evil was never going to battle the OOTS at Girard's Gate.
07/25/2013|#904|[div]Nale's Wand[/div]Its function in the story. Also, a brief side-note about why Xykon showed up at Girard's gate a few seconds too late.
04/09/2013|#883|[div]On Writing Female Characters[/div]The difficulties and fan reactions.
04/08/2013|#882|[div]LGBT Characters[/div]Why there aren't more in the comic. Also see this.
05/29/2011|#793|[div]V's Gender History[/div]Why Rich made V's gender ambiguous and what discussions about it were like in the early days. Roy's 'V-man' comment is not necessarily indicative of V's true gender.
06/20/2005|#196|[div]Dungeon of Dorukan History[/div]Originally, Dorukan was not even necessarily a person.
07/12/2004|#86|[div]The Dwarven god Thor[/div]OOTS Thor is not based off of D&D Thor. Until referenced in the comic, the Nordic legends/mythology does not exist in OOTSverse.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Character Development/Backstory
04/07/2013|#882|[div]Haley's Leadership[/div]A greedy self-centered rogue becomes leader. Belkar and Haley are the only one's who questioned her leadership skills during the Azure City Resistance.
02/26/2013|#872|[div]Durkon and Malack's Breakup[/div]Durkon reacts not only to Malack's vampirism, but to his alliance with the Linear Guild. He knows that Malack does not know Belkar isn't innocent.
12/18/2012|#863|[div]Miko's Popularity[/div]Miko's story was not "cut short" because of fan opinions - it was precisely the length intended. Rich does not make storytelling decisions based on finances.
11/18/2011|#815|[div]Parental Problems[/div]Background info on the parents of various characters like Elan and Haley, including character/plot development history.
11/18/2011|#815|[div]Miko and Shojo[/div]Shojo was the "tape" that held Miko's character together for so long. He was responsible for much in Miko that was good/positive.
08/21/2011|#801|[div]V's Splices[/div]There won't be a prequel book about them, and Rich hasn't developed a backstory for them. Just 3 evil souls.
08/18/2011|#801|[div]Worldbuilding vs. Foreshadowing[/div]"Say hello to your boss for me."[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Character Names
03/10/2013|#879|[div]Azurite Names[/div]Why O-Chul isn't Oh Chul.
10/11/2010|#749|[div]Tarquin's Name[/div]Named after a Roman King, not the Grand Moff.
10/10/2010|#749|[div]Malack's Name[/div]Not based off of Darth Malak. Originally was going to be named Malachi.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}The Story as a D&D Spoof
01/29/2012|#831|[div]D&D Spoof Part II[/div]More on the comic's shift in focus from D&D gag-a-day jokes to a story that might appeal to a broader fanbase.
01/22/2012|#829|[div]D&D Spoof[/div]The Giant on the comic's shift in focus from D&D gag-a-day jokes to a story that might appeal to a broader fanbase.[/table]
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{table=head]{colsp=3}Prequels
01/04/2013|#864|[div]The Rise of the Dark One[/div]The other gods lost their one shot to gang up on him and kill him. The Dark One has since been building his power.
09/07/2012|#862|[div]How Xykon Broke Out[/div]How Xykon broke out (with some insight into The Giant's writing process). On Xykon and Redcloak's escape from Lirian, see also this post.
02/14/2012|#835|[div]Redcloak's Little Sister[/div]She was not irredeemably evil, and certainly did not deserve execution.
01/12/2012|#826|[div]The Crimson Mantle[/div]Generally it is not known by non-goblins that the mantle is the source of power.
08/03/2011|#799|[div]Dragon Magazine Alternate Panel[/div]What didn't show up in Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tails.
03/15/2010|#706|[div]SoD Paladins & Miko's Fall[/div]Only the crayon pages are narrative by Redcloak. Not every event is necessarily "seen." Certain scenes are largely shown from Redcloak's perspective. Details of why the paladins who killed Redcloak's people may or may not have fallen, why it doesn't matter, and how showing it would have cheapened the effect of Miko's fall later.
06/15/2008|#566|[div]Right-Eye's Family[/div]They weren't raised because Redcloak doesn't control Team Evil's finances to pay for resurrection, Xykon does. Evil characters are not discouraged / prohibited from raising the dead in OOTSverse.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Kickstarter Bonus PDFs
02/25/2013|#871|[div]Cornered For Donations[/div]"Nervous" and "Afraid" look pretty much the same, which helped with the misdirection at the start of Belkar's story.
02/23/2012|#870|[div]Fire Threat[/div]Belkar did not actually burn the town down on his first adventure.[/table]
Characters
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{table=head]{colsp=3}Roy
10/06/2011|#808|[div]Roy's Arena Fight With Thog[/div]Roy's strategy to taunt a dungeon-crashing Thog into breaking the pillars.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Haley
04/07/2013|#882|[div]Haley's Leadership[/div]A greedy self-centered rogue becomes leader. Belkar and Haley are the only one's who questioned her leadership skills during the Azure City Resistance.
05/29/2011|#793|[div]Haley's Boots of Speed[/div]Yes, she did get them dyed to match her brown/tan garb.
01/03/2006|#262|[div]A Piece of Straw[/div]Haley used a piece of straw to get out of the jail cell. Info on Haley's Dexterity, Level, etc.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Durkon
07/28/2013|#906|[div]Durkon Becomes a Vampire[/div]Originally, Durkon was going to become a vampire in the dungeon of Dorukan. This plot element has been developing for some time and even predates Xykon himself.
06/19/2013|#894|[div]Did Durkon Lie?[/div]No, the Giant forgot that Durkon said he didn't prepare "Detect Magic."
04/09/2013|#883|[div]Vampire Durkon Can Cast Spells[/div]A cleric doesn't have to worship a deity to cast spells.
04/08/2013|#882|[div]Class Systems and Careers[/div]Also, FYI, Durkon isn't "white."
02/26/2013|#872|[div]Durkon and Malack's Breakup[/div]Durkon reacts not only to Malack's vampirism, but to his alliance with the Linear Guild. He knows that Malack does not know Belkar isn't innocent.
07/27/2011|#798|[div]Durkon is Lawful Good[/div]
07/02/2010|#732|[div]OOTS Age Range[/div]Intended to be early to mid 20s. Durkon is the "dwarf equivalent" of this age range, in his 50s.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Elan
06/11/2013|#893|[div]The Dream Runes[/div]Elan's victory as character development. Also, Nale was the only LG member affected by the runes.
11/18/2011|#815|[div]Elan and Nale's Parentage[/div]How did it affect their alignment? Giant can't fully answer because of events yet to be revealed. Elan spared Nale's life because of Elan's understanding of what it means to be good.
05/13/2010|#723|[div]Elan's Rapiers[/div]He has two. His original, and one from Julio Scoundrel.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Vaarsuvius
06/19/2013|#894|[div]Familicide II[/div]More on how Familicide works.
06/03/2013|#891|[div]V is a Vegetarian[/div]
04/09/2013|#882|[div]V's Children[/div]The Giant made them adopted to leave open the possibility that V/Inkyrius are gay or lesbian.
03/03/2013|#878|[div]Why V Doesn't Have a Staff[/div]There is no narrative purpose for it, and it would just be one more item to keep track of in the art.
03/07/2012|#843|[div]Familicide[/div]How Familicide works.
08/17/2011|#801|[div]V is True Neutral[/div]
05/29/2011|#793|[div]V's Gender History[/div]Why Rich made V's gender ambiguous and what discussions about it were like in the early days. Roy's 'V-man' comment is not necessarily indicative of V's true gender.[/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Belkar
05/25/2013|#890|[div]What Belkar Saw[/div]What Belkar saw while affected by the dream runes.
04/11/2011|#786|[div]Belkar's Jokes[/div]Belkar making a joke about something does not make it so.
12/01/2005|#251|[div]Belkar is Chaotic Evil[/div][/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Redcloak
01/23/2012|#830|[div]Redcloak is Evil[/div][/table]
{table=head]{colsp=3}Xykon
09/07/2012|#862|[div]How Xykon Broke Out[/div]How Xykon broke out (with some insight into The Giant's writing process). On Xykon and Redcloak's escape from Lirian, see also this post.[/table]
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The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2013-09-21, 07:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments
Well done Jasdoif!
But you forgot to put the Spoiler alerts on the characterlist where they belong. You might want to add that :-).
Besides that: i personally would love another section where the commentaries are listed from first comic to last comic. Like that its way easier to read the comic with the authors commentary along. Just a suggestion.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments
Jasdoif, that looks glorious.
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments
I read through a good portion of the thread, and agree linking to the whole thing would be a bit over the top. Also, not convenient, because one would have to go through a very long thread to find the numerous contributions by the Giant.
Adding particular posts makes sense, and I second Flame of Anor and Reddish Mage on their proposals. In addition, I'd like to nominate this one. It's the strongest of the Giant's statements I've read so far on the question of why he spends so much effort taking a moral stance on OOTS and defending it on the forums (which must be pretty time consuming, by the way, so there's a real cost to him professionally).Last edited by Gwynfrid; 2013-09-21 at 02:11 PM.
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