Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable

[fergo]

Interesting blog post, as well. Probably a good thing Thunt is taking some time off, even if it's just once a month.

[The Glyphstone]

I'd probably just make it a simple percentile for every missed attack, apeing the concealment rules. Want it to be hit? 20% to miss entirely, 80% to hit the shield. Want to avoid it being hit? 20% to hit the shield anyways. 80% to miss. Don't care? 50% either way.

[Yuki Akuma]

I'd probably just make it a simple percentile for every missed attack, apeing the concealment rules. Want it to be hit? 20% to miss entirely, 80% to hit the shield. Want to avoid it being hit? 20% to hit the shield anyways. 80% to miss. Don't care? 50% either way.

And once again we discover that Thunt isn't really that great at homebrew.

[The Glyphstone]

And once again we discover that Thunt isn't really that great at homebrew.

No, but he's improving.

[Maryring]

Hrm. A ring of fire immunity does seem to make the Shield a gamebreaker.

[Flickerdart]

And once again we discover that Thunt isn't really that great at homebrew.

This is the man who thought Extra Rage should only give +1 rage/day, because +2 is overpowered. Expecting too much will always leave you disappointed.

[Marnath]

This is the man who thought Extra Rage should only give +1 rage/day, because +2 is overpowered. Expecting too much will always leave you disappointed.

It would be overpowered in a world where monks not only contribute but can be the most badass member of a party, and in which a ranger who can cast a spell is "high level." You'd have to be an 8th level barbarian to have 3 rages a day the normal way. Kore is the only 14th + NPC we've seen, and he's treated as an unstoppable force of nature.

[Poil]

This is the man who thought Extra Rage should only give +1 rage/day, because +2 is overpowered. Expecting too much will always leave you disappointed.

Dude it's like totally too strong man. Like far out overpowered.

Just had a thought, I wonder what Thunt thinks of multiclassing monk with truenamer. Speaking of that do you guys think we'll ever see a truenamer in the comic? Maybe an alternative version of Minmax.

[Marnath]

Dude it's like totally too strong man. Like far out overpowered.

Just had a thought, I wonder what Thunt thinks of multiclassing monk with truenamer. Speaking of that do you guys think we'll ever see a truenamer in the comic? Maybe an alternative version of Minmax.

Tome of Magic came out in 2006, and Goblins was written entirely before it ever went up, so I seriously doubt it.

[Starbuck_II]

Could someone explain why #11 has two save values?
If you make DC 30, no damage, but if you only make DC 22 you take 1/2?

Seems weird.
Why do the tentacles in #5 have +1 Initiative but +2 Dex to AC... ?

And why do normal fort effects have Will saves like #17 is flesh to stone effect but a will save...

[Yuki Akuma]

Could someone explain why #11 has two save values?
If you make DC 30, no damage, but if you only make DC 22 you take 1/2?

Seems weird.
Why do the tentacles in #5 have +1 Initiative but +2 Dex to AC... ?

And why do normal fort effects have Will saves like #17 is flesh to stone effect but a will save...

And once again we discover that Thunt isn't really that great at homebrew.

Basically the same exact thing happened with the Lesser Finger Horror. Turns out, Thunt is not a master of the system.

[Qwertystop]

Basically the same exact thing happened with the Lesser Finger Horror. Turns out, Thunt is not a master of the system.

There are stats for that?

[Poil]

Yeah, they involved hit dice that weren't the undead standard and a ridiculously hard saving throw to survive the fingering. Basically it was just a glass cannon to screw over players with a rot you only avoid by luck and the low hit points as "balance".

Personally I don't really care that it had lower than undead hit points but he could've just given it some form of flaw feat or ability called fragile physique or something that lowers all hit dice to a maximum of d6 or whatever it was. Not that I'm an expert on the system at all.

[The Linker]

Could someone explain why #11 has two save values?
If you make DC 30, no damage, but if you only make DC 22 you take 1/2?

Seems weird.

I thought that was fairly standard? That there's a point where you can be just good enough to avoid the full blast, but still receive a glancing blow, or you can be really good and completely dodge the whole thing?

[busterswd]

IIRC it's a feat that lets you avoid full damage when you would've saved for half damage on a reflex roll. Otherwise it's just save or fail, not multiple tiers of success for saving.

[Seerow]

IIRC it's a feat that lets you avoid full damage when you would've saved for half damage on a reflex roll. Otherwise it's just save or fail, not multiple tiers of success for saving.

It's typically a class feature, not a feat, but yeah.

[Dragonus45]

Considering how good he is at the creative half of things i can live with him being so dang horrible at the stating things out part. I can do that myself.

[The Linker]

Now that this list is coming out, we can math out some approximation of Complain's chances of dying when he landed on all those spears is*. So far, #11, the pillar of flame, would have killed him. #19, flammable oil everywhere, would very likely have as well.

*Provided we don't, you know, take it seriously.

[Acanous]

Thunt doesn't like being called out on poor homebrew, either. That's why he took the Finger Horror stats down.
Basically his opinion is that statting up the stuff he uses in Goblins is extra work, which he does for the benefit of his fans. He doesn't like having it thrown back at him with "Wrong" stamped on it.

So really, Goblins is D&D like, not actually D&D based. If he had a dedicated DM to run the numbers and such, his homebrew would improve, but given that he does all the writing and art himself, it's an acceptable hit to suspension of disbelief.

There's a trope about this somewhere. You can have Kid Awesome beat Emperor Doomface at a game of Poker to decide the fate of Mars, but don't have him win with two pair against a straight flush.

[Flickerdart]

It would be overpowered in a world where monks not only contribute but can be the most badass member of a party, and in which a ranger who can cast a spell is "high level." You'd have to be an 8th level barbarian to have 3 rages a day the normal way. Kore is the only 14th + NPC we've seen, and he's treated as an unstoppable force of nature.

It wouldn't be overpowered. Extra Rage doesn't make you stronger - it just lets you play your character more often.

[Draconi Redfir]

So you guys think there will be more sheild effects up later? not seeing very many up right now.

No idea where the ring of fire resistance thing came up

[Sampi]

There should be, since Thunt specified rolling d100 to determine effect.

I agree that the crunch he writes seems weird and unbalanced, but his fluff is goody good yum. His world seems very nonstandard, and thus even weird-seeming crunch could be good in that specific setting. Not for a generic one, though.

[Draconi Redfir]

the way i see it he only puts the crunch in there for people who want some crunch to use/work off of and change accordingly. Because really, in a real-world scenario standing in the middle of a pillar of fire would not give you a chance to only take half the damage as someone standing on the edge.

[VariaVespasa]

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[Draconi Redfir]

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[Starbuck_II]

This is the man who thought Extra Rage should only give +1 rage/day, because +2 is overpowered. Expecting too much will always leave you disappointed.

When did he say that? Becauase I'm flabbergausted at the assertion.

[Sholos]

the way i see it he only puts the crunch in there for people who want some crunch to use/work off of and change accordingly. Because really, in a real-world scenario standing in the middle of a pillar of fire would not give you a chance to only take half the damage as someone standing on the edge.

Nor would it in game, since that would be deliberately failing your saving throw.

[The Glyphstone]

When did he say that? Becauase I'm flabbergausted at the assertion.

He didn't say it. We know that in Thunt's world, Extra Rage gives +1 rage per day, because Minmax said so. It's, at the moment, unfounded supposition that this was a change due to overpoweredness.

[Yuki Akuma]

I thought that was fairly standard? That there's a point where you can be just good enough to avoid the full blast, but still receive a glancing blow, or you can be really good and completely dodge the whole thing?

Nope. D&D third edition (which Goblins is nominally based on) doesn't do that. There is one DC for saves, and if you make it, you take half damage/no damage/negate the effect/get a lesser effect/whatever the actual spell or ability says happens.

[Draconi Redfir]

Nor would it in game, since that would be deliberately failing your saving throw.

Ummm what? In every game i've played you usually get a reflex save to halve your damage for an AOE attack, regardless of where you are standing. i'm saying that if it were real life, it would be impossible for you to take less damage standing in the middle of the piller (sucseeding reflex save) then the guy at the edge of the piller (who failed reflex save)