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2012-08-18, 01:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
I don't know if this is still debated, but the spell did work. Belkar stopped stabbing him (I mean, this alone should be proof enough something manipulated him) and his eyes were all swirly.
The only question remaining is: If Nale utters another command after they regain hearing, will it count as a Suggestion? Rules say no, apparently, but it might be a neat twist. Though it won't happen, seeing as several people have already pointed it out and the Giant will just start his reality warping machine to make the story be something else anyway.Playing Magic? Interested in trading? Try Pucatrade!
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2012-08-18, 02:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-18, 02:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Well.. I never claimed he didn't proceed the stabby goodness ;) I was talking about panels 10 and 11, Belkar stopped stabbing without any good reason (and actually seems to have been knocked back).
Well, there probably is a point in saying it was Nale's round and that is why he didn't keep stabbin'.Playing Magic? Interested in trading? Try Pucatrade!
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2012-08-18, 08:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
I hope to see this exchange after the Linear Guild is mopped up:
"Good work, Belkar!"
"Wow, Roy, I don't think you've ever said that."
"And I probably never will again, so enjoy it like it's your last birthday cake."
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2012-08-18, 10:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
I'm pretty sure that is a documented case where Rich forgot the specifics of Control Weather, then had to explain it in the next comic after the forums exploded.
Yes, the wording of Suggestion very clearly states only a single suggestion can be made, and the comic has already abided by that back when V used it on the YBD.Official Incense Aroma Specialist for the Vaarsuvius Fan Club!
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2012-08-18, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Rich has always been very blunt about having no interest in the strict letter of D&D rules. He did not "have to" explain anything, he chose to have Thor announce a similar disregard for said rules.
(And there is certainly no indication anywhere that Rich "forgot" the specifics of Control Weather.)
Yes, people on the forums complain whenever anything he does isn't obviously from a D&D book. His response to this started at "I bend the rules when it makes it funny. Accept." very, very early indeed (before strip #50), and has only gotten less conciliatory since then.Last edited by Kish; 2012-08-18 at 11:23 AM.
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2012-08-18, 07:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-18, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
While it's perhaps feasible that Rich forgot that Control Weather specifically couldn't cause lightning to strike, it is beyond feasible that he would "forget" that Control Weather can't make a thunder shockwave powerful enough to destroy all those Treants, and yet somehow focused enough that it doesn't destroy any of the commoners in the city, or visibly damage the characters right next to them.
I'll concede that the comic sticks to the rules most of the time; that's clearly true. But it is also true that the rules willnotbe thrown by the wayside if Rich thinks it'll make for a better joke or story.
Edit: Whoops, funny how one word will reverse the meaning of a sentence.Last edited by SpacemanSpif; 2012-08-18 at 11:28 PM.
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2012-08-18, 10:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Question: if a GM wanted to go a campaign based off OoTS, would there be two teams of PCs? One for the Order and the other for the Guild, and the GM plays Xykon and everyone else? Or would there only be one team of players controlling the Order while the GM handles everyone else?
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2012-08-18, 10:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
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2012-08-18, 11:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
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2012-08-18, 11:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-18, 11:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-19, 12:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-19, 06:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Consider that the Creator of any work like this,a long narritive story with many subweaving plots,is ultimately a Reporter,and "what happens" IS what happens as the story unfolds.In that This Creator uses the Dungeons and Dragons rules system as a mechanic to govern what can happen within the confines of the World ,and as a long time DnD'er it works well and wonderfully. But its only a reference point,not the world's immutable law.
The Law is ever the Story. What the Story demands,it gets. How un DnD can you get with a Quasi-Elemental Plane of Ranch Dressing? Unless it was in the Abyss or whatever the Chaotic Neutral plane was...But it fit right in!
I tend to agree in his interpretation of the rules when it comes to composing the comic,but the debates they inspire amuse me more!But...let the show go on...
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2012-08-19, 10:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
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2012-08-20, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Nale hear Sabine say she loves him forever?
I think it's just a faint echo of her voice while she faints away.
The effect isn't there to indicate telepathy.
So no, the poor bastard didn't hear it.
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2012-08-20, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-20, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
I actually played a game where PC v PC happend: it was no more complicated than the other combat senerios that we encountered. And it was run seperatly until the storylines overlapped. And then we spent several hours trying to destroy eachother. It was messy, but a lot of fun. You really have to have a good DM and need to trust them, though.
It takes forwever to read 17 pages of comments. Aweoms comic -- laughed a lot. :)78% of all DM's start their first campaign in a tavern. If you're among the 22% who didn't, copy and paste this into your signature and tell us where you DID begin.The players were attacked individually on the road on the way to town by werewolves. To survive, they had to team up then and there without knowing anything about eachother (literally -- all character sheets were completed without other players' knowledge).
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2012-08-20, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-20, 03:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-20, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Yes, the wording of Suggestion very clearly states only a single suggestion can be made, and the comic has already abided by that back when V used it on the YBD.
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2012-08-20, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
No, V suggested that he perform no actions except those which she explicitly ordered of him. All other orders were covered under the original (and sole) suggestion.
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2012-08-20, 05:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-20, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
No such rule in D&D 3.5. You can Wish for a Candle of Invocation, use it to call up a Noble Djinn, and demand it give you three Wishes. Then make the third one for another Candle of Invocation. And that's just the most well known Wish Loop.
That said, as a DM I wouldn't let the Suggestion "Follow my orders" to fly, even if it was rules legal. Still, ultimately it's Rich's comic and there's no reason to think it wouldn't be rules legal even in a real game.Last edited by Water_Bear; 2012-08-20 at 09:02 PM. Reason: Forgot an important sentence.
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2012-08-20, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
How does Nale know his father is talking in panel 4? Tarquin is wearing a helmet that covers his mouth and Nale can't hear him.
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2012-08-21, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-21, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
"What? I can't hear you. Are you even—"
"—talking?"Last edited by Boogastreehouse; 2012-08-21 at 06:33 AM.
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2012-08-21, 06:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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