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2012-10-06, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Yep.
Probably the closest we could ever get would be something like Veigar's ultimate, where the champion would do more damage based on the character's mana pool. No one really stacks mana all that much, though, aside from Ryze, Yorick, and Singed.
Slowing enemy cooldowns could be a really neat idea for a champion, but Riot would probably see that as toxic gameplay.
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2012-10-06, 07:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-06, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-06, 08:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Who's watching the WCG?
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2012-10-06, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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What is with the sun fire cape craze lately? I have seen at least one in almost every tournament game and dyrus is streaming with it being his first major item on darius. WTF?
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2012-10-06, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
So, anyone got an predictions for the results of the World Championships today?
I expect to see
SpoilerAZN vs M5 in the final.
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2012-10-06, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-06, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-06, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-06, 10:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-06, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Oh...
Wow. That's...
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2012-10-06, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Would mana burn perhaps be more appropriate if it was %based? Something like 2% (or more, or less, or whatever) of the target's max mana per hit?
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2012-10-06, 10:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-06, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-06, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Last edited by Forrestfire; 2012-10-06 at 11:15 AM.
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2012-10-06, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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...yeah, that's totally a legit reading. Cool. xD
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2012-10-06, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Its not a bad item. It gives quite the unique mix of offense and multiplicative defense that's impossible to find in other items.
The problem isn't "figuring out how to balance it". The problem is "Any mana burn mechanic that was meaningfully impactful for the aggressor would be too unfun for the victim".
And if you wanted to 'temporarily' deny someone access to their mana pool, well you're basically coming up with Silence from another angle.
I'm splitting hairs here, but I don't think she's quite dead yet.
Also, I kinda want them to make her brother into a proper league champion.Last edited by Godskook; 2012-10-06 at 11:56 AM.
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2012-10-06, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Let me expand on that:
Wits End was originally gave 42 additional magic damage that also burned an equal amount of mana. This item was originally envisioned as a counter to Mages. It made sense from a DotA background because DotA mages always had very high base mana pools. LoL at the time had a similar situation as most mages simply stacked Archangel's Staffs as there was no Deathcap.
With the release of Deathcap mages didn't really stack Archangels, and Wit's End, already considered a mediorce item... kinda fell away. However, players realized that Wits End was more useful against heroes with a low base mana pool as they could actually get rid of a player's entire mana pool. Suddenly heroes like Warwick and Ashe hated Wits End because if someone had it, they had no mana. So suddenly, an item designed to be good vs AP heroes is actually good versus... random heroes with low mana.
Basically, this was one of those unintended consequences that pop up rather often. Riot is okay with them sometimes, especially on heroes, but not so much on items. Instead, Riot nerfed Wits End and made it do what it actually is meant to do: be a really good bruiser item vs AP heroes. Then when it was still too good in that regards they nerfed it and now no one uses it.
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2012-10-06, 03:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Also, one of Kassadin's abilities did the same thing. It did additional damage to their mana and then restored his mana per basic attack.
And also there were a number of champions, including Tryndamiere and Garen where everyone at the time didn't know if the abilities did anything to them. In other words, did it still do 42 magic damage to them if there was no mana to drain? As a little wee summoner then, my friends and I wondered that constantly.
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2012-10-06, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
At first, Wit's End didn't do any damage if there was mana to burn. About the time the ninjas came out, it was modified so the damage and mana burn were separate (always did the 42 damage).
Wit's End was basically a hard counter to Rammus, which was really counterintuitive. It didn't kill him, but you burned out his mana very, very quickly and he'd just wander around going "....okay"
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2012-10-06, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-06, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Can I point out that the growing level 1 strats and planning in League really, really remind me of DotA level 1s I've seen?
Wit's End was basically a hard counter to Rammus, which was really counterintuitive. It didn't kill him, but you burned out his mana very, very quickly and he'd just wander around going "....okay"
Honestly, its one of the things I do like about a lot of Riot's newer champions: Heroes seem to have very dominant playstyles, even if you can build them differently, their kits FEEL good.
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2012-10-06, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-06, 05:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Can you define what you mean? =O
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2012-10-06, 05:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
I watched a little bit of "The International 2" when it was hosted. Not a lot... but some.
Basically, lanes were not very well defined. You had obvious hero roles, but you could put your "carries" anywhere. Farm mid, trilane bot, have a dedicated jungler, have a dedicated roamer, etc.
League has had very well defined 1-1-2 lanes since the beginning of jungling, which was in Beta. Obviously bot lane has changed a lot, and that has effected top/mid lane, but basically since the invention of support+AD duo we've had the laning we've had.
But now that's changing. Lane swaps are common. Solo mid isn't necessarily a requirement anymore. You can run Duo mid, you can run duo top. I've seen some rather strange eventual lane matchups due to extended level 1s.
Extended level 1s themselves are also common in DotA. In DotA you'll often, often see very extended level 1s as team attempt to disrupt the opposing startup and determine lanematchups ASAP. The same is beginning to happen in League as teams have realized they can clear almost the entire jungle pre level 1 and create a huge advantage for themselves and use that to snowball the lanes.
edit: The best way to explain this would be to watch the Season 2 World Finals and watch the level 1s. Compare the level 1s in these games to your average level 1 in whatever elo you play at. Even Top elo players don't do this in solo queue. Compare the lane matchups as well. You'll see the same heroes, but a lot of different setups and strats.
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2012-10-06, 06:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-06, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Holy ****, CLG.EU vs. WE is an awesome series. Tho Yellowpete and Snoopeh are really disappointing me thus far (and Wickd trying to play Malphite and getting destroyed time after time gets a bit old).
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