RWBY VIII: Well, THAT escalated quickly

[Ramza00]

I've got to strongly disagree with this episode being meh. It's my favorite of the season so far.

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I'm a sucker for character development/backstory in general so the Ren plot was a major win in my book. Insight on what a Grimm attack is like for non-hunters is also welcome. I thought that Ruby and Jaunne's conversation was well done but really could have happened, much, much earlier in the volume. Really my only problem was the introductory scene with nu-Ozpin and that's just because his plot is moving at a glacial pace.

Laughs, let me respond to you Ronnoc

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I am all for character development and backstory but I was unimpressed. I feel I could write a better version of the same effective backstory and I am a horrible writter (that said La Zodiac likes my ideas sometimes, but I am no great writer )

But on the subject of backstories and moving the drama forward. While watching this episode with Ozpin and Oscar I was reminded of a scene where in the 12th episode of Vol 3, Ozpin is about to do the essence transfer from Amber to Pyrrha Nikos. Well during the transfer he purposefully stated that he needs to hear her say that she wants this even though time is short. Even though Ozpin did not know Cinder was right behind him (damn you Jon, you had one job, to yell if someone comes and to waste time so Ozpin is not surprised), there was still a massive Grimn attack and the robot knights were killing civilians.

So Ozpin wasted time saying are you sure about this? He did so for he likely ... perhaps ... has been in a similar situation with him or another person sharing the same body like he is now dealing with Oscar. Ozpin may be comfortable about those past experiences, but he would probably like to give a person a choice, and not be in this situation like he is now with Oscar.

So yeah I liked one scene in this episode, and it was the exact opposite of the scene you liked Ronnoc

[Callos_DeTerran]

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So like Ren became calmer instantly, and made Nora do the same thing. What's happening there? Is it really just an emotions thing? It looks interesting, but is it suppose to be special? Unique to him, all hunters? or what?

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It honestly seems like his Semblance allows him to camoflauge himself and others...at least from Grim. Ties into Ren not taking before since his Semblance is an extension of himself...his Semblance is Ren doing nothing in a way that helps him. Even if it is an emotion thing, and it very well could be, it still makes for a great tactic/defense from the Grim.

Heck, we know that Cinder is human and part of her ability to interact peacefully with Grim has something to do with no being afraid of the Grim (and taking it a step further into making the Grim fear her). Ren's semblance is almost a forced version of that first part in that it acts like a cloaking field to the Grim's ability to detect negative emotions.

[Ramza00]

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It honestly seems like his Semblance allows him to camoflauge himself and others...at least from Grim. Ties into Ren not taking before since his Semblance is an extension of himself...his Semblance is Ren doing nothing in a way that helps him. Even if it is an emotion thing, and it very well could be, it still makes for a great tactic/defense from the Grim.

Heck, we know that Cinder is human and part of her ability to interact peacefully with Grim has something to do with no being afraid of the Grim (and taking it a step further into making the Grim fear her). Ren's semblance is almost a forced version of that first part in that it acts like a cloaking field to the Grim's ability to detect negative emotions.

Short version of Callos

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Ren is a ninja, at least to grimm for he is able to hide from one of their senses which is sensing emotions of others. Oh he also is able to share this with others.

The only question is this semblance limited to emotions or can smart grimn use other means of detection such as their eyes, ears, nose, etc.

[HMS Invincible]

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Oh, I thought it was a right of passage thing that animes do a lot. You know, hometown is doomed, and the protagonist gets his powers from seeing his home destroyed, which lets him live.

[Calemyr]

Short version of Callos

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Ren is a ninja, at least to grimm for he is able to hide from one of their senses which is sensing emotions of others. Oh he also is able to share this with others.

The only question is this semblance limited to emotions or can smart grimn use other means of detection such as their eyes, ears, nose, etc.

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More interestingly, if his semblance is muting or masking emotions, could it leave him emotionally compromised? I wouldn't think this plausible, but Qrow has proven that semblance can have negative side effects.

[Anyr]

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It really is lucky that Ren and Nora ended up on the same team. Likewise for Ruby and Yang. Remember, the assignments were based entirely on which chess piece they happened to choose.

[CrazyPenguin]

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It really is lucky that Ren and Nora ended up on the same team. Likewise for Ruby and Yang. Remember, the assignments were based entirely on which chess piece they happened to choose.

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No, Ren and Nora were partners, which was determined by who they happened to come across first in the forest.

[Anyr]

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No, Ren and Nora were partners, which was determined by who they happened to come across first in the forest.

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That was just for pairings during the test. The final teams were sorted via the chess pieces that each applicant grabbed. For instance, each member of team JNPR picked a white rook.

[CrazyPenguin]

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That was just for pairings during the test. The final teams were sorted via the chess pieces that each applicant grabbed. For instance, each member of team JNPR picked a white rook.

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Right, but partners were always on the same team. No matter which piece they took, they would be on the same team. The chess pieces determined who the other two members would be.

[Anyr]

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Right, but partners were always on the same team. No matter which piece they took, they would be on the same team. The chess pieces determined who the other two members would be.

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Ah yes, you're right. I'd forgotten that each pair shared a chess piece between them. Even so, the general point still stands: All the lifelong best friends needed plenty of luck to end up with one another.

[Callos_DeTerran]

Short version of Callos

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Ren is a ninja, at least to grimm for he is able to hide from one of their senses which is sensing emotions of others. Oh he also is able to share this with others.

The only question is this semblance limited to emotions or can smart grimn use other means of detection such as their eyes, ears, nose, etc.

Don't you shorten my posts!

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Considering that we've seen Grim react to things that have no emotions before, I imagine their eyes, ears, etc. work just fine. So if Ren tried to use his Semblance while standing in front of a Beowulf, the Beowulf would probably be very confused for a few seconds (more than long enough for Ren to kill it) before it just attacked the human it could see but not feel.

Its actually a pretty great tool considering for dumber Grim, they'd probably assume Ten died if he went out of sight and then disappeared off of Mega-far so he could make a clean getaway or attack from a direction the Grim no longer expects. Even smart Grim would likely be fooled a time or two before they figured the trick out and even then...doesn't change the fact they still wouldn't be able to sense him once out of sight.

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Ah yes, you're right. I'd forgotten that each pair shared a chess piece between them. Even so, the general point still stands: All the lifelong best friends needed plenty of luck to end up with one another.

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Yeah, but the only ones who really got lucky were Ren, Nora, and....maybe Pyrrha? And Ren and Nora actively looked for another while Pyrrha...dunno, was she looking for Jaune at that point or just glad to see he was her partner. Either way, only one pair of life long friends actually ended up paired up as partners, the rest BECAME friends...not that much luck to be had honestly.

[jindra34]

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Yeah, but the only ones who really got lucky were Ren, Nora, and....maybe Pyrrha? And Ren and Nora actively looked for another while Pyrrha...dunno, was she looking for Jaune at that point or just glad to see he was her partner. Either way, only one pair of life long friends actually ended up paired up as partners, the rest BECAME friends...not that much luck to be had honestly.

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Pyrrha was super hunting Jaune given that she stuck him to that tree with her spear as he was falling. So she knew where he was, and was going after him. And given Wiess's reaction others would probably pass him by. The rules weren't first person you encounter, they were first person you make eye contact with, so there might not be as much luck as one would assume.

[wobner]

So it seems, from comments here, that they haven't uploaded all the world of remnant videos to youtube yet, So its not only possible i missed something in the episodes i've seen, but something i was unable to see in the first place. And i've been trying to follow the conversations here and haven't seen this brought up, so my apologies if someone has. but i'm hoping someone can explain this?

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We are constantly told how dangerous remnant is, and shown what, 3 cities this season alone that have been destroyed, and yet ruby and company could be on a hiking trip for all the trouble they've gotten into up till this episode. really the one threat they faced, that was grim and that i recall, was a commission job to get jaune's armor. They are honestly so terrified that Jaune, left on guard duty, wandered off to practice, leaving the others asleep and unawares.

yes i know Qrow was following them taking out much of what would have attacked, but honestly that makes things worse. You have one hunter able to completely subdue any threat in the area, yet instead of protecting villages like the 3 that are now in rubble, he is allowed to tail these four fools as they follow the yellow brick road.

How do you reconcile the supposed threat they keep bringing up, and the carnage it has supposedly wrought, with the casual walk about they keep showing and power of the hunters? I could hand wave Yang and Ruby's cabin in the woods by assuming the cities were heavily patrolled, and they are just on the outskirts, but this "dangerous" trek they are currently on has destroyed any suspension of disbelief. Even blakes boat ride is kinda ridiculous in my eyes. They encountered exactly one grim? If there were truely threats out there, wouldn't you have convoys, military escorts.

Its so at odds with itself.

Really, if Ren and Nora take this thing out on their own, like i suspect they are going to, its gonna cost them all credibility unless someone can put this in a different perspective for me.

Can someone rationalize this for me, or tell me what i missed. pretty please?

[LaZodiac]

So it seems, from comments here, that they haven't uploaded all the world of remnant videos to youtube yet, So its not only possible i missed something in the episodes i've seen, but something i was unable to see in the first place. And i've been trying to follow the conversations here and haven't seen this brought up, so my apologies if someone has. but i'm hoping someone can explain this?

Spoiler: Season 4 episode 10(the whole season really)

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Can someone rationalize this for me, or tell me what i missed. pretty please?

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I mean...it's because the show is bad? The only other explanation I can think of is that "this area is weaker than the rest" but that wouldn't really mesh well with what we've heard either.

[DoctorFaust]

So it seems, from comments here, that they haven't uploaded all the world of remnant videos to youtube yet, So its not only possible i missed something in the episodes i've seen, but something i was unable to see in the first place. And i've been trying to follow the conversations here and haven't seen this brought up, so my apologies if someone has. but i'm hoping someone can explain this?

Spoiler: Season 4 episode 10(the whole season really)

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We are constantly told how dangerous remnant is, and shown what, 3 cities this season alone that have been destroyed, and yet ruby and company could be on a hiking trip for all the trouble they've gotten into up till this episode. really the one threat they faced, that was grim and that i recall, was a commission job to get jaune's armor. They are honestly so terrified that Jaune, left on guard duty, wandered off to practice, leaving the others asleep and unawares.

yes i know Qrow was following them taking out much of what would have attacked, but honestly that makes things worse. You have one hunter able to completely subdue any threat in the area, yet instead of protecting villages like the 3 that are now in rubble, he is allowed to tail these four fools as they follow the yellow brick road.

How do you reconcile the supposed threat they keep bringing up, and the carnage it has supposedly wrought, with the casual walk about they keep showing and power of the hunters? I could hand wave Yang and Ruby's cabin in the woods by assuming the cities were heavily patrolled, and they are just on the outskirts, but this "dangerous" trek they are currently on has destroyed any suspension of disbelief. Even blakes boat ride is kinda ridiculous in my eyes. They encountered exactly one grim? If there were truely threats out there, wouldn't you have convoys, military escorts.

Its so at odds with itself.

Really, if Ren and Nora take this thing out on their own, like i suspect they are going to, its gonna cost them all credibility unless someone can put this in a different perspective for me.

Can someone rationalize this for me, or tell me what i missed. pretty please?

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I'll admit this isn't much of an explanation, but I guess it could be possible that for the sake of pacing, the writers just aren't showing all of their fights with lesser grim. Don't know if that explain's Blake's boat ride.

[Hiro Protagonest]

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We are constantly told how dangerous remnant is, and shown what, 3 cities this season alone that have been destroyed, and yet ruby and company could be on a hiking trip for all the trouble they've gotten into up till this episode. really the one threat they faced, that was grim and that i recall, was a commission job to get jaune's armor. They are honestly so terrified that Jaune, left on guard duty, wandered off to practice, leaving the others asleep and unawares.

yes i know Qrow was following them taking out much of what would have attacked, but honestly that makes things worse. You have one hunter able to completely subdue any threat in the area, yet instead of protecting villages like the 3 that are now in rubble, he is allowed to tail these four fools as they follow the yellow brick road.

How do you reconcile the supposed threat they keep bringing up, and the carnage it has supposedly wrought, with the casual walk about they keep showing and power of the hunters? I could hand wave Yang and Ruby's cabin in the woods by assuming the cities were heavily patrolled, and they are just on the outskirts, but this "dangerous" trek they are currently on has destroyed any suspension of disbelief. Even blakes boat ride is kinda ridiculous in my eyes. They encountered exactly one grim? If there were truely threats out there, wouldn't you have convoys, military escorts.

Its so at odds with itself.

Really, if Ren and Nora take this thing out on their own, like i suspect they are going to, its gonna cost them all credibility unless someone can put this in a different perspective for me.

Can someone rationalize this for me, or tell me what i missed. pretty please?

Why do early episodes of Steven Universe include a dangerous scroll and crystal shrimp that don't mesh with the origins of the monsters revealed later in the show? Why does Pearl say she likes pie and voice mild agreement to ordering pizza, when she later won't eat food at all?

Because long-running shows have a good chance that they're not going to be completely cohesive from start to end.

It's more obvious in RWBY because the show is not that good. But I don't know if I'd really call this a problem, it's other problems making this obvious.

[Lethologica]

So it seems, from comments here, that they haven't uploaded all the world of remnant videos to youtube yet, So its not only possible i missed something in the episodes i've seen, but something i was unable to see in the first place. And i've been trying to follow the conversations here and haven't seen this brought up, so my apologies if someone has. but i'm hoping someone can explain this?

Spoiler: Season 4 episode 10(the whole season really)

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We are constantly told how dangerous remnant is, and shown what, 3 cities this season alone that have been destroyed, and yet ruby and company could be on a hiking trip for all the trouble they've gotten into up till this episode. really the one threat they faced, that was grim and that i recall, was a commission job to get jaune's armor. They are honestly so terrified that Jaune, left on guard duty, wandered off to practice, leaving the others asleep and unawares.

yes i know Qrow was following them taking out much of what would have attacked, but honestly that makes things worse. You have one hunter able to completely subdue any threat in the area, yet instead of protecting villages like the 3 that are now in rubble, he is allowed to tail these four fools as they follow the yellow brick road.

How do you reconcile the supposed threat they keep bringing up, and the carnage it has supposedly wrought, with the casual walk about they keep showing and power of the hunters? I could hand wave Yang and Ruby's cabin in the woods by assuming the cities were heavily patrolled, and they are just on the outskirts, but this "dangerous" trek they are currently on has destroyed any suspension of disbelief. Even blakes boat ride is kinda ridiculous in my eyes. They encountered exactly one grim? If there were truely threats out there, wouldn't you have convoys, military escorts.

Its so at odds with itself.

Really, if Ren and Nora take this thing out on their own, like i suspect they are going to, its gonna cost them all credibility unless someone can put this in a different perspective for me.

Can someone rationalize this for me, or tell me what i missed. pretty please?

I'm hardly one to give RWBY a pass for stuff, but I don't think these objections hold up.

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1. The kids are casual because they don't know what they're up against, a point driven home over and over again by various characters and events. This is partly a failure of Beacon's training, but it's not at odds with their personalities or their experience. (It may also be important to remain positive and lighthearted because being grim and worried might draw the Grimm.)
2. RNJR isn't punished for it because Qrow is basically clearing a path for them.
3. Qrow couldn't seriously have protected Shione from Raven's crew, and the other destroyed villages were destroyed a long time ago, so Qrow couldn't have protected them anyway.
4. Blake's boat ride would have ended nastily if there hadn't secretly been multiple talented Huntsmen trainees aboard.
5. The ship was designed to take care of itself without a military escort--it just wasn't designed to take on something like that dragon. (Cynically, no one on Anima would have bothered providing an escort to Menagerie of all places.)
6. Hunters aren't that common. Ren's backstory shows what happens without them.
7. I don't think the show has given us reason to believe Ren and Nora will come out winners here. I have medium-to-high confidence that if Raven's Grimm is here, Raven's tribe isn't far behind. That's waaay too much firepower for Our Heroes. I think it's more likely we were shown Ren's Semblance this episode because Ren and Nora are going to spend a lot of their next scene hiding.

[LaZodiac]

Why do early episodes of Steven Universe include a dangerous scroll and crystal shrimp that don't mesh with the origins of the monsters revealed later in the show? Why does Pearl say she likes pie and voice mild agreement to ordering pizza, when she later won't eat food at all?

Because long-running shows have a good chance that they're not going to be completely cohesive from start to end.

It's more obvious in RWBY because the show is not that good. But I don't know if I'd really call this a problem, it's other problems making this obvious.

The scroll is made of crushed, grinded up crystal shards. As we know from the Cluster gems, that doesn't stop them from being sentient. The crystal shrimp things are just more passive creatures, and may not actually BE corrupted gems. Pearl may aesthetically like pie, and wouldn't begrudge people ordering pizza just because she doesn't like it.

That said your point typically holds true.

[Hiro Protagonest]

The scroll is made of crushed, grinded up crystal shards.

Then why does the photo hold any power? It's a "good enough" handwave. That's all it is.

The crystal shrimp things are just more passive creatures, and may not actually BE corrupted gems.

I know that. We haven't seen a single monster after that like them. Animals evolving to adapt to gems hasn't been a thing. So unless they've somehow worked it into Rose's experiments, it's just something that they'll brush under the rug.

It's fine, it's not important to the story, but it still existed.

Actually, what I noticed more was the lack of fusion in Episode 2, and the characters acting differently early on. Now, I know that Pearl in particular was in flux until relatively late in the design process, and they're mostly coherent from the start, but comparing Episode 1 to Episode 7 (the first with Connie), Garnet changed very quickly to being more helpful and less enigmatic; cool, but not aloof.

[LaZodiac]

Then why does the photo hold any power? It's a "good enough" handwave. That's all it is.

I know that. We haven't seen a single monster after that like them. Animals evolving to adapt to gems hasn't been a thing. So unless they've somehow worked it into Rose's experiments, it's just something that they'll brush under the rug.

It's fine, it's not important to the story, but it still existed.

Actually, what I noticed more was the lack of fusion in Episode 2, and the characters acting differently early on. Now, I know that Pearl in particular was in flux until relatively late in the design process, and they're mostly coherent from the start, but comparing Episode 1 to Episode 7 (the first with Connie), Garnet changed very quickly to being more helpful and less enigmatic; cool, but not aloof.

They actually do have another crystal animal, the crystal lizards that Lion eats. Lion himself is also "a thing".

You are right in that characterization can seem a bit off early on though. Every show has SOME issues getting started. It's just that RWBY is on it's fourth season now.

[wobner]

I'm hardly one to give RWBY a pass for stuff, but I don't think these objections hold up.

I burst out laughing when the replies were "well, its just not that good...". My rantings to your points in bold

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1. The kids are casual because they don't know what they're up against, a point driven home over and over again by various characters and events. This is partly a failure of Beacon's training, but it's not at odds with their personalities or their experience. (It may also be important to remain positive and lighthearted because being grim and worried might draw the Grimm.)

Its fine that their mindset is they can't appreciate the danger they are in, or are putting on a happy face. Whats not fine is that the reality seems to agree with that mindset while we are constantly told thats just not how things are.

2. RNJR isn't punished for it because Qrow is basically clearing a path for them.

That he could clear their entire path, and more over do so without alerting them to his presence is exactly my point. Mountain Glenn got sacked years ago and was still crawling with grim. Qrow isn't even breaking a sweat here.

3. Qrow couldn't seriously have protected Shione from Raven's crew, and the other destroyed villages were destroyed a long time ago, so Qrow couldn't have protected them anyway.

See, i admittedly, despite reading it here, missed Ravens monster and Shione connections, so thank you for that. But that aside, it didn't need to be Qrow, any hunter alive at the time would do.
And on the subject of Raven's monster, since Qrow knows She and her band are here, and if as you say he can't take them on, why the heck is he letting Ruby and company trapse around the area? He hasn't even warned them has he? did i miss that? i mean no, that wouldn't make sense with whats happened since... so he's letting them blindly walk into danger.

4. Blake's boat ride would have ended nastily if there hadn't secretly been multiple talented Huntsmen trainees aboard.

I agree it easily could have gone bad, but again, they encountered only one. A big one, sure, but only one. I mean that this lone ship, with what armorments it had, could be reasonably confident it could tangle with whatever was out there that they don't even bother deploying those guns until they are already under attack. Its not just the mindset of the kids, its the mindset of everyone.
In a world of flying ships, robots and various guns, Little Rens' village feels protected because his dad has... a bow? Really, the richest members of mistral built a city and didn't bother to install a gun turret or two? A dome(atleast i didn't see anything like it there, not even what looks like a watch tower, just maybe a clock tower so...)?The place is so teeming with Grim that they didn't even finish building the place before it got wiped out(actually i guess they abandoned it), and yet, our four intrepid adventures continue their carefree journey.

5. The ship was designed to take care of itself without a military escort--it just wasn't designed to take on something like that dragon. (Cynically, no one on Anima would have bothered providing an escort to Menagerie of all places.)

Military escort aside, a convoy still makes sense, and that a ship could be built to take out these grim? that a civilian ship could be this heavily armed but a city is relying on swords... ? And i can't believe that its expense, given the weapons they all have and the amount of dust they blow through.

6. Hunters aren't that common. Ren's backstory shows what happens without them.

First, Qrow is completely mopping the floor with everything he encountered, it doesn't seem like it should matter how common Hunters are. Second, all the more reason Qrow following ruby and company makes little sense to me. He has nothing better to do? they can afford to let him run around like this? Ofcourse, he was using them as bait... and couldn't come up with a better plan than this? a better place to spring the trap? He's dying now. He aimed to not only take out everything they might happen on, but the people trying to kidnap/kill them... He obviously doesn't think much of the threat either. And they are headed right towards his murderous sister... Its all so completely scattered to me.

7. I don't think the show has given us reason to believe Ren and Nora will come out winners here. I have medium-to-high confidence that if Raven's Grimm is here, Raven's tribe isn't far behind. That's waaay too much firepower for Our Heroes. I think it's more likely we were shown Ren's Semblance this episode because Ren and Nora are going to spend a lot of their next scene hiding.


I hope you are right, cause honestly if they do take it out, even if ruby and jaune show up in the nick of time to help, i think i'm done. If two to four kids could wipe out that thing, and its killing hundreds of people(i think two villages so far, shione, and that one where the met the dying guy), and Qrow knew it was here, and noone is doing a thing to stop them when the wee tikes are able to take it out... thats too much of a stretch.
But the two of them, standing out in the open, not bothering to hide, or anything of the nature, I get the feeling they are atleast gonna try.

Thank you all for the feed back. Much appreciated.

[Ramza00]

So new episode, episode 04x11

and in honor of this new episode



So the first scene made me wonder if I was watching X-men cartoons or RWBY...followed by 5 good scenes that are examples of good story telling.

What have they done :-O

[Lethologica]

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Its fine that their mindset is they can't appreciate the danger they are in, or are putting on a happy face. Whats not fine is that the reality seems to agree with that mindset while we are constantly told thats just not how things are.

...No, like, the narrative clearly shows that the only reason they could maintain that mindset as long as they did is because someone else was doing a lot of work to make that possible. That's the opposite of reality validating their mindset.

That he could clear their entire path, and more over do so without alerting them to his presence is exactly my point. Mountain Glenn got sacked years ago and was still crawling with grim. Qrow isn't even breaking a sweat here.

What does Mountain Glenn have to do with anything? Qrow is an established super-badass and we have no reason to expect him to have a lot of trouble with ordinary Grimm threats.

See, i admittedly, despite reading it here, missed Ravens monster and Shione connections, so thank you for that. But that aside, it didn't need to be Qrow, any hunter alive at the time would do.
And on the subject of Raven's monster, since Qrow knows She and her band are here, and if as you say he can't take them on, why the heck is he letting Ruby and company trapse around the area? He hasn't even warned them has he? did i miss that? i mean no, that wouldn't make sense with whats happened since... so he's letting them blindly walk into danger.

The previously destroyed towns may not have had hunters. Oniyuri most likely had hunters, but was explicitly a Mountain Glenn parallel where the Grimm that showed up were too much even for that. Similarly unlikely that even a hunter at Shione would have stood up to Raven.

We don't know in full why Qrow decided to point RNJR at Mistral in the first place. Until we know that, we can't judge his reasons for letting them run loose. Qrow didn't know (or wasn't sure) Raven's tribe was an issue until he met her. After that, he was in a bind, but he chose to keep away from RNJR and trust that Raven wouldn't actually bring her tribe in his direction. We also don't know what Qrow was going to say the next morning, before the poison made a hash of that.

All in all, I have trouble faulting his reasoning as far as I know his reasoning, and I can't analyze the reasoning I don't know about.

I agree it easily could have gone bad, but again, they encountered only one. A big one, sure, but only one.

Making a lot of assumptions here. Any more attacks shown and there would have been pacing complaints.

I mean that this lone ship, with what armorments it had, could be reasonably confident it could tangle with whatever was out there that they don't even bother deploying those guns until they are already under attack.

The deployment of defensive armament was pretty rapid. Exposing weapons to weathering is a problem of its own. I would have been fine with the weapons being permanently deployed, but I don't think it's clear that not permanently deploying them is a narrative problem.

In a world of flying ships, robots and various guns, Little Rens' village feels protected because his dad has... a bow? Really, the richest members of mistral built a city and didn't bother to install a gun turret or two?

I think you're mixing up Ren's home village Kuroyuri with the Mountain Glenn parallel Oniyuri. Ren's village wasn't built by the richest members of Mistral.

We also don't know what their defensive position was like, just that it was insufficient to keep Raven's tribe from overrunning them. Ren's dad is not their first line of defense--he's a bureaucrat.

Military escort aside, a convoy still makes sense, and that a ship could be built to take out these grim? that a civilian ship could be this heavily armed but a city is relying on swords... ? And i can't believe that its expense, given the weapons they all have and the amount of dust they blow through.

You may not believe it, but it may still be that. I'm honestly not sure which city you're talking about here, though. Vale didn't rely on swords, we don't know that Oniyuri relied on swords, and the various villages in between could be forgiven for having money troubles.

First, Qrow is completely mopping the floor with everything he encountered, it doesn't seem like it should matter how common Hunters are. Second, all the more reason Qrow following ruby and company makes little sense to me. He has nothing better to do? they can afford to let him run around like this? Ofcourse, he was using them as bait... and couldn't come up with a better plan than this? a better place to spring the trap? He's dying now. He aimed to not only take out everything they might happen on, but the people trying to kidnap/kill them... He obviously doesn't think much of the threat either. And they are headed right towards his murderous sister... Its all so completely scattered to me.

Hunters can't be everywhere. Also, *gestures at Qrow currently dying on a stretcher*.

I don't see what was obviously wrong about Oniyuri as a place to spring the trap, but it's not like Qrow had the choice of location anyway.

At the end of the day, the most you can argue here is that Qrow is overconfident. A character flaw is not always a narrative flaw.

I hope you are right, cause honestly if they do take it out, even if ruby and jaune show up in the nick of time to help, i think i'm done. If two to four kids could wipe out that thing, and its killing hundreds of people(i think two villages so far, shione, and that one where the met the dying guy), and Qrow knew it was here, and noone is doing a thing to stop them when the wee tikes are able to take it out... thats too much of a stretch.
But the two of them, standing out in the open, not bothering to hide, or anything of the nature, I get the feeling they are atleast gonna try.

*shrug* There isn't anything for me to say except "we'll see."

[Ramza00]

Forgot to mention, La Zodiac just for you I want you to pause the video at 13:01 on Vol 4 Episode 11 and I want you to give me your thoughts on that scene

[LaZodiac]

Forgot to mention, La Zodiac just for you I want you to pause the video at 13:01 on Vol 4 Episode 11 and I want you to give me your thoughts on that scene

I'll save this post for when I have time between work, getting prepped for the new LP, and coughing so hard that it sounds like an engine backfiring.

[Ramza00]

I'll save this post for when I have time between work, getting prepped for the new LP, and coughing so hard that it sounds like an engine backfiring.

LP as in Lumbar Puncture? Or something else?

Somehow in the last 48 hours I came down with some coughing bug and I am full of phlegm. Luckily I forgot I had some theraflu in the cupboard so lets see if this stuff will make me feel better.

[LaZodiac]

LP as in Lumbar Puncture? Or something else?

Somehow in the last 48 hours I came down with some coughing bug and I am full of phlegm. Luckily I forgot I had some theraflu in the cupboard so lets see if this stuff will make me feel better.

I've had it for a week and a bit now!

LP as in let's play, as in Zodi Plays, as in the video thing on the internet I do for money. Check it out!

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Spoiler: v4e10 Lethologica

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...No, like, the narrative clearly shows that the only reason they could maintain that mindset as long as they did is because someone else was doing a lot of work to make that possible. That's the opposite of reality validating their mindset.


What does Mountain Glenn have to do with anything? Qrow is an established super-badass and we have no reason to expect him to have a lot of trouble with ordinary Grimm threats.

I brought up mountain glenn because Oniyuri was specificly described as "mountain glenn if they hadn't finished it". If we take that at face value, We are talking a boat load of Grim that should be in the area. Forget that i don't think they've adequately lived up to the threat of a normal area, the untamed wilds, this is the location of two cities the grim took out, oniyuri and kuroyuri. Season 2, episode 12 "breach" levels of grim that we aren't seeing, we are left to believe this is because Qrow is keeping it all at bay?
Honestly, i feel they've presented a threat for the mundane areas that has failed to materialize, but for the site of two destroyed cities, its even worse. Thats where i'm coming from. Qrow manages this all without alerting them to his presence. I agree thats maybe the message they are trying to convey, but its completely at odds, in my oppinion, with everything else they've established.

While Qrow is presented as tough, he fought Weiss's sister to a draw, and i'd argue the same with tyrion(spelling)... I don't regard him as super-badass. Is there something i'm forgetting?


The previously destroyed towns may not have had hunters. Oniyuri most likely had hunters, but was explicitly a Mountain Glenn parallel where the Grimm that showed up were too much even for that. Similarly unlikely that even a hunter at Shione would have stood up to Raven.

Thats the point though, where are these grim that overwhelmed and overran Oniyuri? They were still at mountain glenn, why aren't they here?

We don't know in full why Qrow decided to point RNJR at Mistral in the first place. Until we know that, we can't judge his reasons for letting them run loose. Qrow didn't know (or wasn't sure) Raven's tribe was an issue until he met her. After that, he was in a bind, but he chose to keep away from RNJR and trust that Raven wouldn't actually bring her tribe in his direction. We also don't know what Qrow was going to say the next morning, before the poison made a hash of that.

All in all, I have trouble faulting his reasoning as far as I know his reasoning, and I can't analyze the reasoning I don't know about.

I can believe he was waiting till the last minute to warn them about Raven or divert their course, but he had enough time to sit around the camp fire telling them folkstories before the poison finally got him. Its pretty silly to think it slipped his mind to warn them they were walking towards their deaths.

Making a lot of assumptions here. Any more attacks shown and there would have been pacing complaints.

True, but there are other ways than showing a painful number of battles. For starters, it might help if the boat didn't look like a cruise liner, but mentioning passengers are no longer confined to quarters. repairing damage or cleaning grim guts off the ship. Someone rolling their eyes and proclaiming "not again" before they realize its a really big grim this time. You get the idea.

The deployment of defensive armament was pretty rapid. Exposing weapons to weathering is a problem of its own. I would have been fine with the weapons being permanently deployed, but I don't think it's clear that not permanently deploying them is a narrative problem.

Sure on its own this and other things could be dismissed, are indicative of nothing, but it starts to add up for me.You are right, its a nitpick. I just feel like there are alot of them.

I think you're mixing up Ren's home village Kuroyuri with the Mountain Glenn parallel Oniyuri. Ren's village wasn't built by the richest members of Mistral.

I didn't mix them up, i just made my point really badly it seems. Sorry about that. Both were destroyed, niether had any real defenses, and one should have been able to afford them. Yet they seemed content with the defenses they had.

We also don't know what their defensive position was like, just that it was insufficient to keep Raven's tribe from overrunning them. Ren's dad is not their first line of defense--he's a bureaucrat.

You may not believe it, but it may still be that. I'm honestly not sure which city you're talking about here, though. Vale didn't rely on swords, we don't know that Oniyuri relied on swords, and the various villages in between could be forgiven for having money troubles.

My apologies. When Ren is shopping, we see axes, swords, and various other melee weapons. No guns that i noticed, and no sounds of gun fire or the like during the battle(that i heard anyway), Though rens dad has a bow. so thats kuroyuri. As far as Oniyuri goes, the richest people of mistral, while we don't know what they fought with, I wanted to see the equivelant of that deckgun from the ship stationed somewhere in the city, I didn't see that, i didn't even see a watch tower or the like in either city. nothing really. They had a wall, with flying grim, all they had was a wall.
We do know from the cave that shione had only swords and arrows. there are no signs of guns anyway, but yeah, that one was Raven.

Hunters can't be everywhere. Also, *gestures at Qrow currently dying on a stretcher*.

*gestures at Qrow* not injured by any of the grim he has been slaughtering up to this point.

I don't see what was obviously wrong about Oniyuri as a place to spring the trap, but it's not like Qrow had the choice of location anyway.

At the end of the day, the most you can argue here is that Qrow is overconfident. A character flaw is not always a narrative flaw.

See, if we call this "mountain glenn" of mistral, he isn't overconfident, he is delusional, except its proving a cake walk. This is the disconnect for me. Its presented as a dangerous, wild, deadly place, and its just not materializing. The story they have presented repeatedly is that the nations in question make a concentrated effort to expand and get wiped out, but four kids can take a field trip and all they need is one hunter to keep them safe who can do so with such ease, that they don't know he is there and don't have to make any effort to protect themselves. I mean atleast in Mountain glenn we saw them taking precautions.
A better place to spring a trap would be a more civilized location, someplace where your sister isn't running amuck and there aren't potentially city snuffing amounts of grim. where if someone does get injured, you have medical personel reasonably close by. Thats why its such a bad place to spring a trap. We are to believe this is the only route, method of travel, etc, they could take? That this is the best way to trap an unknown number of assailents of unknown power.


*shrug* There isn't anything for me to say except "we'll see."

True enough for me as well. Thank you much for the discussion It doesn't look like you are going to change my oppinion, though i like to think i am still open minded(and i actually want to like the show) but i greatly appreciate the conversation and the effort.

[Wardog]

Spoiler: Season 4 episode 10(the whole season really)

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We are constantly told how dangerous remnant is, and shown what, 3 cities this season alone that have been destroyed, and yet ruby and company could be on a hiking trip for all the trouble they've gotten into up till this episode. really the one threat they faced, that was grim and that i recall, was a commission job to get jaune's armor. They are honestly so terrified that Jaune, left on guard duty, wandered off to practice, leaving the others asleep and unawares...

How do you reconcile the supposed threat they keep bringing up, and the carnage it has supposedly wrought, with the casual walk about they keep showing and power of the hunters? I could hand wave Yang and Ruby's cabin in the woods by assuming the cities were heavily patrolled, and they are just on the outskirts, but this "dangerous" trek they are currently on has destroyed any suspension of disbelief. Even blakes boat ride is kinda ridiculous in my eyes. They encountered exactly one grim? If there were truely threats out there, wouldn't you have convoys, military escorts.
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Can someone rationalize this for me, or tell me what i missed. pretty please?

The simplest explanation for me would be that:
1) Grimm populations and Grimm attacks aren't evenly distributed. Grimm could be anywhere. That doesn't mean that they are everywhere.
2) Large populations attract Grimm, because more people means more negative emotions.
3) Large populations are more vulnerable to attack, because they can't all fight back, and can't all easily hide or flee.

All of which mean that a small team of hunters is less likely to be attacked, and more able to defend itself (or escape) than a town or village full of non-combatants.

It's analagous to the Lord of the Rings (I can't remember the exact quote), or real-world special forces: a small, elite team can have more chance of success than a large army, because its stealthier, more agile, and can better pick and chose its battles.

[Callos_DeTerran]

Spoiler: Season 4 episode 10(the whole season really)

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We are constantly told how dangerous remnant is, and shown what, 3 cities this season alone that have been destroyed, and yet ruby and company could be on a hiking trip for all the trouble they've gotten into up till this episode. really the one threat they faced, that was grim and that i recall, was a commission job to get jaune's armor. They are honestly so terrified that Jaune, left on guard duty, wandered off to practice, leaving the others asleep and unawares.

yes i know Qrow was following them taking out much of what would have attacked, but honestly that makes things worse. You have one hunter able to completely subdue any threat in the area, yet instead of protecting villages like the 3 that are now in rubble, he is allowed to tail these four fools as they follow the yellow brick road.

You are missing details. In the same scene that we find out that Qrow is following them and keeping the Grim off their tail, we also hear them talking about how they've had fewer Grim attacks than they expected. With all the stories going on this season, it would really be a bad decision to waste time showing inconsequential battles with young Grim when we already know that Huntsman, even Huntsmen who never finished their training, can do away with such Grim with ease. Especially when they have much more impactful examples of Remnant being dangerous what with coming across the aftermath of numerous destroyed towns and cities. They don't need to show random encounters, they just need to show that Qrow has been following them and keeping the worst of the trouble off their backs.

How do you reconcile the supposed threat they keep bringing up, and the carnage it has supposedly wrought, with the casual walk about they keep showing and power of the hunters? I could hand wave Yang and Ruby's cabin in the woods by assuming the cities were heavily patrolled, and they are just on the outskirts, but this "dangerous" trek they are currently on has destroyed any suspension of disbelief. Even blakes boat ride is kinda ridiculous in my eyes. They encountered exactly one grim? If there were truely threats out there, wouldn't you have convoys, military escorts.

...There isn't a need to reconcile this? Grim exist in Remnant. They are common and prevalent but its not like walking into the tall grass in Pokemon where you can expect to get ten feet in before getting jumped by a Pidgey. We're talking about entire continents that are not even close to entirely settled and a type of monster that is drawn towards larger groups of people because the bigger the group, the more likely there's some kind of unrest or fear to draw them in...which is a known fact which means said groups are more wary and fearful because they know an attack will eventually happen, its just a matter of when. That's why when Ruby asked the village they helped if they wanted to move to Mistral the guy told them that such a large group would never make it.

A small group could, in theory, just never run across the Grimm if they're lucky or just attempt to run because the people of Remnant, or at least Vale, took pains to map out their surrounding areas and how many Grim are in that area (As best they can tell). But if same small group DID run across Grim and DIDN'T have a Huntsmen, that small group likely just disappears without a trace.

Even Blake's cruise, as Leth points out, doesn't need to show that the boat has encountered more Grim than the Sea Dragon. Its not an important element of the story if Blake's ship has been attacked before during the trip, just that we see the Sea Dragon attack...a Grimm larger than any the experienced sea captain has seen before and would have annihilated the ship if it hadn't been for Blake and Sun being there.

Can someone rationalize this for me, or tell me what i missed. pretty please?

There's nothing to rationalize really. It seems you missed some stuff and the rest you seem to have expectations on what the story SHOULD show but would destroy the delicate pacing the season is trying to keep to.

Spoiler: v4e10

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Its fine that their mindset is they can't appreciate the danger they are in, or are putting on a happy face. Whats not fine is that the reality seems to agree with that mindset while we are constantly told thats just not how things are.

Reality doesn't agree with them, Team RNJR is very clearly not the norm when it comes to people traveling across Remnant, you have a quartet of competent combatants capable of decimating dozens of weak Grim being followed by an actual Huntsmen capable of presumably much more. They are, already, not going to have as much trouble as say...the shopkeeper if he decided to travel to Minstral by foot.

That he could clear their entire path, and more over do so without alerting them to his presence is exactly my point. Mountain Glenn got sacked years ago and was still crawling with grim. Qrow isn't even breaking a sweat here.

He didn't clear their entire path and he was only able to do so without alerting them because they didn't know how hard the trip should be in the first place.

Mountain Glenn did get sacked years ago...and it wasn't crawling with Grim the entire time either. Ozpin points out that Mountain Glenn was experiencing an upsurge in Grim activity that made it dangerous for first year students to go there, in other words Mountain Glenn isn't normally so packed with Grim...that's actually the evidence that confirms for Ozpin that the White Fang are in the area. Mountain Glenn had more Grimm than usual BECAUSE they were being drawn there by the terrorist cell planning an attack on the major city.

See, i admittedly, despite reading it here, missed Ravens monster and Shione connections, so thank you for that. But that aside, it didn't need to be Qrow, any hunter alive at the time would do.
And on the subject of Raven's monster, since Qrow knows She and her band are here, and if as you say he can't take them on, why the heck is he letting Ruby and company trapse around the area? He hasn't even warned them has he? did i miss that? i mean no, that wouldn't make sense with whats happened since... so he's letting them blindly walk into danger.

...Raven doesn't have a monster or rather she has no connection to the Nuckaleave. Qrow said that she had someone strong on her side aside from herself, not that she has a pet Grim with her. Fact is, we have no idea if Raven is in the area...we know she was at the tavern and spoke to Qrow and then took a goddamn portal to who knows where. Considering how wide-ranging the Nuckaleave is, there is no reason to suspect that THIS particular area is somehow more dangerous than any other.

I agree it easily could have gone bad, but again, they encountered only one. A big one, sure, but only one. I mean that this lone ship, with what armorments it had, could be reasonably confident it could tangle with whatever was out there that they don't even bother deploying those guns until they are already under attack. Its not just the mindset of the kids, its the mindset of everyone.
In a world of flying ships, robots and various guns, Little Rens' village feels protected because his dad has... a bow? Really, the richest members of mistral built a city and didn't bother to install a gun turret or two? A dome(atleast i didn't see anything like it there, not even what looks like a watch tower, just maybe a clock tower so...)?The place is so teeming with Grim that they didn't even finish building the place before it got wiped out(actually i guess they abandoned it), and yet, our four intrepid adventures continue their carefree journey.

...They encountered one that we see, because again, that's all that we NEED to see. Also as Leth said, just leaving those guns exposed all the time is a poor idea so why leave them hanging out? So yeah...a largish boat (its not even the size of a luxury liner in our world) with two cannon embankments and one heavy cannon should be able to handle the random Grim it encounters especially if it sticks to the shallows...which we know keep the largest oceanic Grim at bay.

I don't know if you've noticed or not, but anyplace besides a major city does not enjoy the fruit of the advanced technology that is available in Remnant in part because the majority of that advanced tech comes from Atlas...not the other Kingdoms who have to buy such tech if they can afford it. And we don't know what defenses Kuroyuri has...we just know that they weren't enough to stop the Nuckaleave and the Grim that followed it. That's all we NEED to know. Nor were they relying on Ren's father, a hunter, as the sole source of defense in the village. They had a safehouse in the village it was just in THAT specific case that said safe house wasn't going to be enough this time. And considering that Oniyuri was founded by the richest members of Minstral but was also not completed, what kind of defenses were you expecting to be there? If you were Minstral, just coming out of the Great War, and there was talk of a new city being built that could eventually become its own Kingdom in time...would you be keen on giving them guns and ammo? Especially with the fate of Mantle hanging around as a cautionary tale? Fact is, if Oniyuri had Minstral's backing (not a given) they could have very easily have not brought in the perimeter defenses yet until they finished building the town because such defenses are valuable. If you can't guarantee the town, which didn't seem to have the good fortune of natural defenses protecting it, was going to be built than why risk the most valuable part of it? Oniyuri wasn't destroyed...it was abandoned, Ren can call it Animar's Mountain Glen but there is a very big difference between the two. Mountain Glen was finished and then destroyed while Oniyuri was abandoned before it was finished, in all honesty Mountain Glen was the more significant tragedy by a long shot.

Military escort aside, a convoy still makes sense, and that a ship could be built to take out these grim? that a civilian ship could be this heavily armed but a city is relying on swords... ? And i can't believe that its expense, given the weapons they all have and the amount of dust they blow through.

A convoy would make sense...if its some essential cargo being transported by officials but its a passenger ship going to Menagerie...how many people have the money to make that trip there? How many are actually want to make it? Odds are that the ship Blake is on regularly makes the trip to Menagerie and was outfitted for those purposes so that it can do it on its own.

...What dust are towns blowing through? Only Hunstmen and militaries seem to be able to afford to use dust rounds or have access to them and for a town that is unlikely to receive regular visitors and trade until its been around for a while a weapon with limited ammunition is a poor idea since I doubt a lot of those towns have the means to produce ammunition and guns.

First, Qrow is completely mopping the floor with everything he encountered, it doesn't seem like it should matter how common Hunters are. Second, all the more reason Qrow following ruby and company makes little sense to me. He has nothing better to do? they can afford to let him run around like this? Ofcourse, he was using them as bait... and couldn't come up with a better plan than this? a better place to spring the trap? He's dying now. He aimed to not only take out everything they might happen on, but the people trying to kidnap/kill them... He obviously doesn't think much of the threat either. And they are headed right towards his murderous sister... Its all so completely scattered to me.

Qrow is mopping the floor with the random Grim that Team RNJR is coming across and we've seen what happens when Huntsmen aren't presence AND when there's few qualified Hunstmen trying to stop a major Grim incursion...Beacon fell, despite the fact they can deal with small hordes of lesser Grim they just got overwhelmed by the sheer numbers. And considering Qrow is still working to stop Salem's conspiracy, no he doesn't have anything better to do because this is how he's chosen to do it. As for the threat...Qrow thinks very highly of it..but who the hell is he supposed to call on for help? Ironwood? He's busy running the Atlas military (which coincidentally includes the artifact hidden there). Glynda? She's trying to retake and rebuild Beacon. Those are the only other two members of Ozpin's conspiracy that we know about and thus the only ones Qrow could ask for help and they're also doing things that will hinder/stop Salem.

...And why do people think Team RNJR is heading towards Raven? We've been given no indication of that whatsoever.

Spoiler: v4e10 Lethologica

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I brought up mountain glenn because Oniyuri was specificly described as "mountain glenn if they hadn't finished it". If we take that at face value, We are talking a boat load of Grim that should be in the area. Forget that i don't think they've adequately lived up to the threat of a normal area, the untamed wilds, this is the location of two cities the grim took out, oniyuri and kuroyuri. Season 2, episode 12 "breach" levels of grim that we aren't seeing, we are left to believe this is because Qrow is keeping it all at bay?
Honestly, i feel they've presented a threat for the mundane areas that has failed to materialize, but for the site of two destroyed cities, its even worse. Thats where i'm coming from. Qrow manages this all without alerting them to his presence. I agree thats maybe the message they are trying to convey, but its completely at odds, in my oppinion, with everything else they've established.

While Qrow is presented as tough, he fought Weiss's sister to a draw, and i'd argue the same with tyrion(spelling)... I don't regard him as super-badass. Is there something i'm forgetting?

Pointed out above but Oniyuri is NOT the same as Mountain Glen. That 'if it had been completed' makes a big difference and being crawling with Grim was not Mountain Glen's normal state.

Kinda agreed on Qrow though. Plenty of people treat him as if he's the toughest SOB on Remnant but we've been given very little indication that this is actually the case. He's a Hunstmen and probably a talented one but he hasn't shown too many signs of super-badassness. If anything Raven has shown more signs of that!

Thats the point though, where are these grim that overwhelmed and overran Oniyuri? They were still at mountain glenn, why aren't they here?

They had a reason to be at Mountain Glenn and no reason to be at Oniyuri still. In other words the Grim moved on after destroying Oniyuri because the Nuckaleave is apparently a very busy Grim and the Grim that would have been drawn in by its attack would soon lose interest and disperse to find other targets.

I can believe he was waiting till the last minute to warn them about Raven or divert their course, but he had enough time to sit around the camp fire telling them folkstories before the poison finally got him. Its pretty silly to think it slipped his mind to warn them they were walking towards their deaths.


No indication whatsoever that they are heading towards Raven at all and, even if they were, there's no indication that Raven's tribe would attack them. I mean, why would they? The only things of value that Team RNJR has are their weapons, that's it.

True, but there are other ways than showing a painful number of battles. For starters, it might help if the boat didn't look like a cruise liner, but mentioning passengers are no longer confined to quarters. repairing damage or cleaning grim guts off the ship. Someone rolling their eyes and proclaiming "not again" before they realize its a really big grim this time. You get the idea.

Yeah, but those are unnecessary details. And that last example of someone rolling their eyes is far more damaging to the threat the Grim pose than anything else. Ruby's story is the one showing how difficult life is outside of the Kingdom's, not Blake's, there's no point in slowing down the story with a scene like that when it does nothing to illustrate the point of the dangers of the wilds any better than what's happening to Ruby.

Sure on its own this and other things could be dismissed, are indicative of nothing, but it starts to add up for me.You are right, its a nitpick. I just feel like there are alot of them.

You and apparently plenty of folks here.

My apologies. When Ren is shopping, we see axes, swords, and various other melee weapons. No guns that i noticed, and no sounds of gun fire or the like during the battle(that i heard anyway), Though rens dad has a bow. so thats kuroyuri. As far as Oniyuri goes, the richest people of mistral, while we don't know what they fought with, I wanted to see the equivelant of that deckgun from the ship stationed somewhere in the city, I didn't see that, i didn't even see a watch tower or the like in either city. nothing really. They had a wall, with flying grim, all they had was a wall.
We do know from the cave that shione had only swords and arrows. there are no signs of guns anyway, but yeah, that one was Raven.

Already addressed this. And just because you WANT to see a heavy cannon stationed in the city doesn't mean Oniyuri would have had one in their incomplete city that has no guarantee of regular supply shipments until its completed.

Responses in bold I suppose but I don't know how much more often I'm going to post in this thread. As fun as the occasional conversations I have are the constant assertions of opinion as fact that RWBY is a bad show are really starting to get under my skin to the point I don't enjoy coming to this thread very often.