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2016-10-11, 03:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Silly Childhood Misconceptions on Fantasy Elements?
There are probably many sects among the local Lightside cults around the Galaxy who do just that. Mostly healers and shamans and diviners who use their powers to heal and help people.
But the thing about the Jedi, they want to be able to fight and manipulate people if necessary for the greater good. If you are a guy used to fuel your Force Powers with emotions, and one day you need to hurt or kill somebody, you will most probably use your anger and hate and fall to the Dark Side...
The Jedi need to remain calm and cool while using their powers because the sometimes use violence. A Force User who just heals could probably fuel his powers with love and empathy without risk.
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2016-10-11, 03:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, so your hypothesis is that the Dark Side isn't about emotion, but about "dark" emotion. So "happy" emotions are light side?
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2016-10-11, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well in Shadows of the Empire (book) Vader attempts to use happy emotions with the Force and can't because he's grown too used to using the Dark Side (he does almost manage to heal himself with sheer rage).
The only books I've read where Dark Side is just emotion are ones that contradict how it is shown to function in the movies (the Corruptive aspects), and Luke wasn't using the Dark Side in Episode IV but was using the Force while definitely under sway of an emotion (Hope), and again in Episode VI when he was fighting for fear of his friends it wasn't the Dark Side, it was only when he slipped into Anger. Qui-Gon also professed the same and Episode II and III hammer home how the Jedi Order had grown blind and Yoda switches philosophies at the end of III.
So it's fairly well supported in the films.
Timothy Zhan, NJO, and some of the games contradict, but at least Timothy Zhan does so in direct contradiction to the films which mostly just points to being a flawed source.
Meanwhile Stackpole further show emotional light side Force use a lot with Corran Horn.
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2016-12-08, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-11-07, 08:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's an aspect of English. "Vermin" is an actual English word for any animal that is not useful but posses an indirect harm, either by spreading diseases, stealing food, destroying crops or disturbing game. Depending on the time and place, examples include foxes, rodents, insect pests and sparrows.
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2018-11-07, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Whoa, some thread necromancy here. Funny, I actually remember seeing this thread come up back when it was living.
I realized immediately after logging in for the first time that I should have called my account 'Dire Lemming.' Oh well.
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2018-11-08, 12:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-11-08, 01:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-11-08, 03:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-11-08, 04:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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While reading the Hobbit, I misunderstood what the elves were and imagined elves that work in Santa's workshop.
It made Rivendell take on a whole different tone.Last edited by Mordaedil; 2018-11-08 at 04:09 AM. Reason: Not Riverdale
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2018-11-08, 12:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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When i was a kid i saw a stage assistant's magician in an erotic outfit swallow swords, spin on the sword, and do a load of things with snakes and scarier bugs.
I thought that was probably her usual behaviour rather than just an act. and the show was displaying how inhuman she was. Like i imagined she'd go home and bath in a pit of centipedes or something.
I doubt i'm remembering it right, but that stuff captured my imagination.
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As an adult, syringe fangs make a thousand times more sense than rip'n tear vampires. Rip'n tear isnt sustainable, moreso if you combine it with 'people bit also become vampires', unless the vampires don't need to feed often/are nomadic. Syringe vamps are the superior choice in any setting where supernaturals stay secret.
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2018-11-08, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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I originally thought Vampires were like sabre-toothed humans that like ripped out your throat. I'm not entirely certain why, probably because I saw some scary art or a Halloween costume covered with blood or something. Later, after reading some token vampire stuff, it occurred to me that the straw-fangs made a lot more sense. Of course, now that I've actually looked it up and demonstrated a passing interest in vampire lore, I realize that both are normal interpretations.
I used to think that all elves were girls. I don't know why; but it made total sense at the time. I didn't have the inverse perception of dwarfs, though.
Edit: my god, I just checked the dates, this is an old thread.Last edited by LordCdrMilitant; 2018-11-08 at 12:43 PM.
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2018-11-08, 12:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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D&D "vermin" type includes rats, I believe, as well. At least the non-dire versions. I'm pretty sure I've seen rat swarms as "vermin (swarm)" type.
Maybe I'm misremembering.
This is a weird childhood misconception that is entirely due to how I first heard the words, but I actually thought "Scorpion" meant "were-panther" (without having knowledge of the notion of a were-anything at the time), for several years as a small child.
This came about because I was watching the She-Ra origin movie: He-Man and She-Ra, Secret of the Sword. In it, there's a scene where Force-Captain Adora calls out two characters' names as implicit orders to attack: "Catra! Scorpia!"
However, what I saw was the character Catra responding to the order by pulling down her visor and turning into a panther. So I thought it had been: "Catra, scorpia!" as in, "Scorpia" was a verb-order, meaning, "turn into the cat form."
It was several years later, after having learned that scorpions were arachnids with stinger-tails, that I noticed the second character, who was essentially a woman-scorpion hybrid that would not be out of place as the hybrid form of a were-scorpion.
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2018-11-08, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Nope, animal
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2018-11-11, 06:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Aing-Tii monks put it like this: "The Aing-Tii have a different view of the Force. Not in terms of Jedi or Dark Jedi—of black and white, as it were—but in a way I like to think of as a full-color rainbow."
Francis Bacon is most popular in UK and the rest of the Anglosphere, but for other European countries, Galileo Galilei is the first true scientist. Francis Bacon focused on the gathering and analysis of information, but Galileo Galilei took the next step, testing his hypothesis through well-measured experimentation and publishing the process so anybody could try to repeat them.
Both in folklore (Black Annis, Baba Yaga...) and in modern pop culture (Bewitched, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Charmed...) witches are often a species on their own right, or at least a special lineage with innate powers...Last edited by Clistenes; 2018-11-11 at 06:31 PM.
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2018-11-11, 11:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, but when someone mentions Galileo, I'm pretty sure most people would think "Excommunicated for saying the Earth goes around the Sun" and "Gallileo Figaro, magnifico!" before "The guy who added the experimental step to the scientific method". My point in the quoted post was that Bacon's name is associated with the scientific method itself in a way that most scientists' aren't.
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2018-11-12, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Galileo is the guy who got thrown in jail for writing a book describing a clear allegory for the Pope who had previously defended him against the inquisition as “Simplicitus”. He also was wrong about his model because he described circular orbits, which the earth-centric people rightly showed was wrong. The fact that the orbits were elliptical just makes Galileo less wrong than the earth-centric believers.
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2018-11-14, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Less wrong is about as good as you can hope to get with a model, and the difference between circular heliocentric orbits and elliptical heliocentric orbits is roughly comparable to the difference between a spherical planet and oblate spheroid planet (especially given that most of them are just barely elliptical, especially given that more dramatic orbits hadn't been found) - sure, the spherical planet is incorrect, but it's a whole lot closer than a flat earth is.
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2018-11-14, 04:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's definitely part of it, but IIRC he also said he wouldn't support any particular side of the argument, but his book made it pretty obvious that he didn't support the side which Simplicitus supported.
Also, I would have thought that "most people would think" and the Queen reference would make it clear I wasn't trying to write an accurate summary of Galileo's life.
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Someone researched an Epic-level Necromancy spell to reanimate mine own thread mostly to continue semantics debates about which creatures are “vermin” and which dead men are “scientists.” In what amounts to an appreciation thread about vampires using their teeth as sippy straws.
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Speaking of reanimation, a lot of kids don't seem to have any concept of regular non-reanimated mummies.
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Mummies are interesting because they have perhaps the greatest range on what, exactly, they are in terms of horror monsters. From glorified zombies or ghouls to supernatural horrors to rival vampires, they tend to run the gamut depending on who's writing.
The manifestation of their powers, when they have more than "shamble and moan after victims," also ranges from derivations from their most notable feature (their bandages are often, for mid-range mummies-as-threats, depicted as animated under the mummy's control, like flat, elastic and numerous tentacles) to relations to the Biblical Curses on Egypt to body horror related to the canopic jars' contents.
They also kind-of fill a dragon-like role as the monster with a huge hoard in the remote dungeon-like environment. But they have a curse rather than enormous bulk. How magical they are in terms of retaliatory might varies almost as much as with dragons, too.
As a kid, I never got why they were so scary. The notion that they were undead eluded me because I only saw the cartoony, entirely-wrapped-up varieties. So why people are afraid of a guy all bandaged up and unable to bend his arms properly or move faster than a stiff-legged walk was puzzling.
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2018-11-16, 12:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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I use some of my kids ideas DM some of the time. They think outside of the box and I like that
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For my whole life until reading this thread tonight, I always assumed vampires are meant to syringe blood through their teeth. For the record, I'm fifty years old.
I even vaguely imagined they filter the blood back into their own circulatory system, rather than digesting it. (Why else would they be all pallid when starved for blood, but look like living people after feeding?)
On full reflection (EDIT: ha!), I like my vampires better, and will keep thinking of them as the default. (^,..,^)Last edited by mucat; 2018-11-17 at 12:53 AM. Reason: to say 'ha!'
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