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Thread: Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition
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2012-07-13, 08:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition
Everyone who makes such statements obviously hasn't played BG1. Or sucked at it (note: you can suck at playing BG and not noticing it, because the games are not very hard).
Grease, Color Spray and Sleep are BOMBS in BG1.
It has nothing to do with AD&D vs. D&D 3.5. Those spells were really good in AD&D.Last edited by Zombimode; 2012-07-13 at 08:19 AM.
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2012-07-13, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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You can tell Solaufein to meet you outside the Underdark, I'm pretty sure.
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2012-07-13, 08:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Imoen reenters the game right when Yoshimo leaves the party, so you don't have to make a spot for her. Unless you, for some odd reason, don't keep Yoshimo.
Originally Posted by Morty
Grease is good in tabletop because you can always put it at your opponents' feet. Also, you can cast it on slopes so your enemies slip and slide all the way down - in BG1&2, they just fall wherever they are with no sliding down hills. Also also, in a real-time cRPG, by the time you cast it and the projectile travels, your target has moved out of the area of effect (unless they're not moving, ie already attacking one of your party members, in which case you're also hitting said party member). You can hit archers and casters reliably, but I usually prefer to just have my melee rush archers and spam MM at casters to keep them from getting any spells off.
I do use Color Spray and Sleep to good effect, though. While I can. However, the only first level spell that really remains relevant beyond level 4 or so is Magic Missile - at that point, everything you're fighting has too many HD to be affected by anything else.
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2012-07-13, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-13, 09:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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If you leave anyone in the Spellhold, they're stuck there. I think the same applies to the Underdark. However, Imoen can leave on her own and go to the Copper Coronet.
Well, I didn't keep Yoshimo in most of my playthroughs. In the one where I did keep him until the Spellhold, I was playing an evil bastard and I filled his spot with Sarevok.Last edited by Morty; 2012-07-13 at 10:00 AM.
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2012-07-13, 11:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-13, 11:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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There seem to be two seperate arguments on Solaufein:
1) Sol should be an NPC. That is to say, not - I repeat not - using the existing mod as anything beyond a reminder that the guy exists. He is an interesting character in the core game and could be expanded to true companion complexity without much difficulty.
2) Sol shows up late. This is a genuine concern. Imoen resurfaces late as well, but she's already an established party member at that time and her obvious replacement leaves at the same time she comes back. By the time you run into Sol, you've got a party and no slot will magically open up for him. The only character that shows up afterwards is Sarevok and he's ToB.
Although I like the idea, additional NPCs aren't really that much of a bonus in my book, not in this case. I'd much rather have that energy spent making all the existing allies better - more consistent personalities, more defined personalities, more numerous and more evenly spread banters, and more NPC rivalry/friendships (Jan and Minsc, Aerie and Minsc, Korgan and Aerie, Korgan and Mazzy, Mazzy and Valygar...). We've got so many more characters already than we can feasibly use in three full games. If you're going to remake them, I'd rather see more quality than more quantity.Spoiler: My inventory:
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Originally Posted by Kairos Theodosian
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2012-07-13, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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This is all BG2, anyway. It will take a while to come up.
More NPCs in BG1... I dunno, we have enough. They just need to be more fleshed out.
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2012-07-13, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Very true. All my complaints about BG2 are doubly true for BG. If they're doing the trilogy approach (BG1, BG2, and ToB in one continuous game), I hope they use the BG1NPC mod for inspiration for the BG1 companions - especially Dynaheir, who, as I already said, was my LI of choice in BG1.
Spoiler: My inventory:
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Originally Posted by Kairos Theodosian
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2012-07-13, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-13, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: My inventory:
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1 Godwin Point.
Originally Posted by Kairos Theodosian
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2012-07-13, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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All the information as to what the Enchanced Edition is actually going to be has been rather vague, to put it mildly.
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2012-07-13, 03:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-13, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Where is that? Not that I don't believe you, I'd just really like to find where they've officially written any details at all.
That said, I'm a little bummed. BG1 isn't all that great a game on its own. They'd have to really work at it to make it shine as such. But it was absolutely brilliant as part of the Trilogy.
Also, why did they use Irenicus's lines for their initial teasers? What's the point if it's going to be another X months/years until we see the scarred elf in all his hammy glory?Last edited by Calemyr; 2012-07-13 at 03:28 PM.
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Originally Posted by Kairos Theodosian
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2012-07-13, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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The first option is what I did. I finished BG2 with a 5-person party. I kind of assumed it went without saying.
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2012-07-14, 12:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Shouldn't Imoen, like, canonically be in the group? She is almost as important to the plot as you are.
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2012-07-14, 01:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-14, 06:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Original plans aside, in the actual plot as it turned out, Imoen is the most important party-joinable character.
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2012-07-14, 07:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-14, 08:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, Imoen is awesome.
Hope they use their BG2 picture in BG EE.
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2012-07-14, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, Imoen is one of the great jokes on story-tellers. The original game had Montaron as the only thief for the first quarter/third of the game, until you find Coran. So they threw together another thief using an unused voiceset and tossed her in, with no time left to add any banter or relationships.
Then they were going to kill her off at Spellhold, which really makes since given the condition you find her in. But that raised such a stir that they let you keep her. Again, the decision was made too late to give her many interjections or banters.
Then ToB came around and they'd already gotten the message. Imoen not only didn't almost get killed, she was allowed to go through the maturation the main charcter did in BG, and given banters galore to make up for lost time. Unfortunately, a malformed trigger kept most of them from ever firing, still turning her into an anti-social mute.
It's hard to imagine playing without her, really. Not only is she one of the major focuses of SoA, not only is she practically all the thief you need, plus a handy mage to boot, she's adds a sense of sweetness and belonging that none of the other characters really manage and makes the game feel like more than just another string of bloody fights with an avatar of ham manipulating you from the shadows. I can play without Minsc (though it's really hard to do so), I can leave Jaheira in the dust, but I can not drop Imoen. Simple as that.
Speaking of the wonderful world of ham, have you seen anywhere whether they are re-recording any/all of the dialogue in the game? It seems like it'd be a dilemma between being nailed to those dialogue lines and either getting the band back together (although the big ones you'd need would be Keith Micheal Richardson, Jennifer Hale, Jim Cummings, and Melissa Disney) or recasting them. I'm very curious how they resolved that problem.Spoiler: My inventory:
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Originally Posted by Kairos Theodosian
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IIRC they're keeping most/all of the old dialogue as-is, and there has been some mention of getting some of old gang back to record some new lines. I suspect most new stuff will be from whatever new NPCs they add though.
I sincerely doubt there will be any major recasting going on, as I doubt it would achieve anything save irritating the fans.
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2012-07-14, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Morty; 2012-07-14 at 05:45 PM.
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2012-07-14, 06:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is my favorite line of the week.
Hmm. Sounds like a perfect opportunity to give Imoen more lines and plot participation. And maybe foreshadow her status as a Bhaalspawn.
And yeah, if they give any of the established/popular NPC's new voices it is going to dissatisfy many of the old fans this project is meant for. I too doubt they'll do it. Minsc and Jaheira are hard to replace."Is this 'cause I killed the hippie? Is that even illegal?"
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2012-07-14, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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David Warner? I'm pretty sure he's still alive. So's Wikipedia.
EDIT: Or did you mean the Polish Irenicus? In which case I haven't the slightest.Last edited by Khosan; 2012-07-14 at 08:52 PM.
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