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2013-02-27, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
This speedy update pace is bliss!
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2013-02-27, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
I felt like registering to comment on this strip (hence my username). I've considered registering at some other points, but never felt motivated enough until now. I'm enjoying the combat between Durkon and Malack and I'm glad Durkon is getting to battle in great detail. He seems to play a support role in a lot of the fights, so its fun seeing him play a more primary role.
I've been reading Oots a while now (I forget which strip, but it was probably some time during the party's separation) and it's always nice when it updates. The rapid-fire updates of these last few days have been surprising and pleasant. I'm not saying this to sound impatient, I just enjoy reading this strip. I'm looking forward to seeing how this fight concludes, and it could go either way - Tarquin or somebody else could show up and change the course of the battle, or Malack could have some hidden spell. I'm kind of hoping neither of them dies, but I'll have to just wait and see what happens.Last edited by 873; 2013-02-27 at 03:16 PM.
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2013-02-27, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
What an awesome fight.
And I'm glad the Giant is back on his feet (er, thumbs) again.
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2013-02-27, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Failed monster knowledge check. I mean it appears pretty clear that there aren't a TON of dwarves living in the overland. It's quite possible that Malak has not had a ton of contact with them.
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2013-02-27, 03:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Prediction:
SpoilerMalack has maneuverability as an advantage. He can fly, and durkon is a slow dwarf. His best option right now is to run away, regenerate, and then come back. Durkon will eventually run out of spell slots (although the readers know that right now he's saving a planar ally to hold the Gate). If he can bolster himself with cleric buff spells, or make a few new vampire children, he'll fare even better.I make games.
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2013-02-27, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
There's an off chance that Durkon just one-shot Malack. And by chance, I mean it's almost guaranteed if Malack has less than max health and Durkon rolled anything above minimum damage with Thor's Lightning.
150 damage is pretty rough, even when you have D12s for hit die. Even if he rolled 10s for every single hit die it's still going to be close.
So...Malack is probably down to 1 health. He'll half heal nect round, but that's still pretty bad.Last edited by Doxkid; 2013-02-27 at 03:22 PM.
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2013-02-27, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
Well, immunity to criticals, poisons, some enchantments, and 10/silver is a convenient defensive array, even if nothing easily stacks up on offense. (The fun begins when you can grapple enemies and your wizard friends casts Cloudkill on top of the fray.)
If you are skilled at hiding your "condition", getting in close has more advantages than disadvantages. No tactic is really without risk. Trading spells from a distance is a not a great choice either -- Durkon probably has substantially more HP.I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of Belkar...so close!
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2013-02-27, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
Oh man, what an awesome one. I love the action & banter!
I bet these ideas have been rattling around in the Giant's head for weeks and months, and he is finally getting to put them down.I can do a thousand now.
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2013-02-27, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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I kind of blundered into making that mistake last night. So let me just say that I greatly enjoyed this strip; as Roy once mentioned, Durkon'd be a pretty good warrior if he had a better head for numbers. Durkon has never been a slouch when its come to tactics, whereas Malack seems to have become complacent taking orders from a military genius like Tarquin.
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2013-02-27, 03:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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An enjoyable strip, because and in spite of its question-raising. Thanks for the updates, Giant; hopefully your thumb is faring better!
As to the plot itself, I seriously doubt Malack is "weak" enough to lose or unintelligent enough to not have a course of action if not plan.
Also, that suggestion might stem from bias: while I like both Durkon and he and would like to see neither die, Malack is increasingly getting to be my favorite from the entire strip.Warm regards,
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2013-02-27, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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In case somebody didn't see... Here's Rich's answer on tweeter.
Márcio Teixeira @zaggzaguru
@RichBurlew Is this part of the kickstarter reward that you said that you would draw a new strip everyday for 8(?) days? btw, great strip.
Rich Burlew @RichBurlew
@zaggzaguru That's the hope, but I don't have all 9-in-a-row done yet, so thumb might crap out before end. If so, I'll try again later.Power equals power
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2013-02-27, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's WONDERFUL!
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2013-02-27, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Woo, Durkon, kickass!
Funny how some of us were assuming Belkar was about to die after #870, then at #872 thought Durkon was toast. I should have known tha Dwarf would put up a good fight. And yes, we get better special effects than that other duel between clerics.
I like how the last panel mirrors Malack's casting of Harm on Nale in #811, and as Malack is undead the Heal has the same effect on him. It would be a bit much to have the next comic start with Malack saying "Unnnh... I'm still... undead" and Durkon countering with "I'm na finished. Quickened Cure Moderate Wounds" though. :P
I would have expected a fizzle or some similar sort of effect to mark the failure of Malack's Dispel attempt. The dialogue of the characters makes what happened clear, but it doesn't have the same impact I feel we usually get with magic in the comic.
But that's just a little thing, and this was an exciting comic, especially as when I noticed a new comic was up I expected to see Durkon forced into a desperate defense at best. As cool and charming Tarquin and Malack can be (and undiplomatic Durkon was last comic, whether you agree with him or not), this scene makes us root for the hero, and that's a job well done.
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2013-02-27, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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I am assuming from the fact that it was the last panel in the strip that the Heal will not result in an easy victory for Durkon, that there will be some kind of twist. Oh well, at least we probably won't have to wait very long for it, extrapolating from the time between when the last few comics were uploaded.
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2013-02-27, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Leave to grab some lunch and come back to a rockin' battle comic. Today is pretty sweet.
I'd like to throw my hat in the "lving Durkon's badassery" ring here.
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2013-02-27, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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This has been awesome so far . I still predict Malack retreats injured and later claims either Belkar or Durkon later
Speaking of a bloody future, does anyone know how likely Belkar is to get out of Hold Person anytime soon?
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2013-02-27, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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I am now going to rant:
Here's the thing: No matter what I draw in any battle scene, within ten minutes of posting it someone chimes in about how the characters are stupid for not executing this, that, or the other tactic. Never mind that said tactic would likely end the fight in one panel when it is my job to provide you with an entertaining battle scene. Never mind that said tactic may result in the person winning whom the plot does not need to win. Never mind that the fight may not be over yet. No, all that matters is that these characters are not living up to someone's imagined D&D tactical mastery.
Well, I don't give a damn anymore. The characters fight the way they fight to make an interesting page. They may make subpar decisions, I don't care. I don't spend enough time with the D&D rules anymore to eke out all of these Ultimate Killer Strategies anyway, so we're really running up against the limits of my knowledge and ability. The characters can't be better strategists than I am, and I care more about other aspects. Such strategies are usually boring to read and visually bland to look at anyway. There aren't going to be a lot of invisible save-or-die effects thrown around, because there are only so many ways I can draw characters succeeding at Fortitude saves (and then I still have to verbally explain what just happened). You should stop expecting them, because I'm not going to use them.
My job is to entertain, not to showcase perfect D&D tactics. If you can't be entertained by anything BUT perfect D&D tactics, that's on you.Rich Burlew
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2013-02-27, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
Also, it looks like Malack's neck wound is missing in panel 9. Though I think small mistakes are forgivable with the ridiculously fast updates recently
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2013-02-27, 03:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is why Durkon has always been one of my favorite members of the Order.
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2013-02-27, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Holy sh*t!!!
The comic is sailing the stars in these last pages. I want moarLast edited by Clertar; 2013-02-28 at 10:20 AM.
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2013-02-27, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe, if the thumb holds up (Phantasm linked to Rich's words here)
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2013-02-27, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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