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2014-03-15, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-16, 01:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
That was Loki, so it could have been magic and/or the staff. There have been no other instances of a bullet contacting Asgardian skin for us to know. Their armor, on the other hand, is demonstrably bulletproof, seeing as Sif's breastplate took a shotgun blast at three to five feet and wasn't even scratched.
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2014-03-16, 03:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-16, 03:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
That was Loki, so it could have been magic and/or the staff. There have been no other instances of a bullet contacting Asgardian skin for us to know.
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2014-03-16, 04:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-16, 08:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
Also it's THOR. He's not a good baseline for durability given he's one of the best.
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2014-03-16, 08:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
And wields a rather epic weapon, that in Avengers he used to summon his armor. Sif may be among the best warriors, but Thor and Loki are royalty and have access to the "good stuff". Plus in the show the shogun did not hurt her armor but it DID damage the necklace so a close enough shot from an earth gun might probably not be fatal to an Asgardian it could hurt. But yeah why did SHIELD not just use swat tactics and pump tear gas grenades or stun grenades in and just shoot what/who comes out?
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2014-03-16, 08:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
I don't think we can make any statements about general asgardian durability based on Loki and Thor.
Spoiler: Spoilers for Thor 1 and the avengersLoki has significant magical powers and, in his most prominent appearance, was using one of the infinity gems as well as that sceptre thing. Also, remember that he isn't actually an Asgardian, he is a Yotun (is that the correct singular?) passing as an Asgardian through illusions.
Meanwhile, Thor is consistently shown to be much a more powerful threat than Sif and the other named Asgardian warriors, who are presumably some of the most powerful in the Asgardian military. I think it's reasonable to guess that that gap in power extends to durability as well.
Edit: As for Sif specifically dodging human gunfire, she probably doesn't know the specifics of human weaponry, but she knows that the last time a bunch of humans (and Thor, but still) went up against an Asgardian and his armies, they won. She is also not hindered by Loki's enormous ego, so better safe than sorry might play a large role as well.Last edited by Silver Swift; 2014-03-16 at 08:45 AM.
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2014-03-16, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-16, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-16, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
That's strength though, not durability. We know the average Asgardian is a lot stronger than the average human. Still, Coulson seemed pretty sure a berserker rage enhanced Ward wouldn't be able to hurt him so, if we assume Coulson has a good idea of this kind of stuff, then it still counts for something.
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2014-03-16, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
I'm constantly perplexed by this. SHIELD is supposed to be The Best of The Best of the 1%. Not mall cops who can be swayed with words.
My immersion is not so much broken over the science or the enemies as the gorram stupid decisions of the team. They're professionals (well, everyone except Sky) and Coulson is supposed to be the meanest guy around aside from Director Fury.Last edited by Asheram; 2014-03-16 at 09:08 AM.
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2014-03-16, 09:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
The show probably doesn't have the effects budget for helicopter tear gas attacks. And the damage to the Asgardian was done with an Asgardian weapon.
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2014-03-16, 09:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-16, 09:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
As far as durability goes - inside the bar, Sif took a point-blank shotgun blast to the side without so much as flinching; it did mainly hit her armor, though.
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2014-03-16, 10:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
I don't see Odin send Sif on this super-special mission without the proper equipment. It's not like if Sif was just another random Asgardian Warrior; she's one of the Realm's champion and sister in arms of Thor himself.
Especially considering Odin's recent character development, which would make him even more considered of properly outfitting his loyal soldiers.
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2014-03-16, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
If you're talking about the "character development" I think you're talking about, then I don't get why that would make him more likely to give one of Thor's most loyal friends better stuff. Cause she may talk big about her duty but given the choice between following Odins orders and her friendship to Thor, I don't think there is much doubt where her loyalties lie.
Fair enough, but I'd still say tanking a gunshot is a bigger feat than that, durability wise.Last edited by Silver Swift; 2014-03-16 at 10:49 AM.
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2014-03-16, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
Because Odin more than understand the importance of generating loyalty to him by approaching all of his key warrior on a 1 on 1 basis.
Like... for example, assigning Sif to a mission that she had clear personal stake in, and giving her your full support so she would remember how wise/generous you are as a leader. Despite the actress' sub-par acting, it was rather clear that Sif was rather happy to be the one assigned to capture back the sorceress.
Also, Odin's deeper motive would be clearly better served by making sure Sif accomplish her mission thoroughly, and that she is not forced to just kill the sorceress in the end.
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2014-03-16, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
So, Sif's been fighting across the realms, on many different worlds, against different levels of tech.
Is it worth overriding your safety reflexes just because you happen to be in a fight where stuff's less likely to harm you? Especially if Lorelei happened to bring/make something more potent with her?
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2014-03-16, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
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2014-03-16, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-16, 11:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-16, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-16, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
Okay, now I'm confused. Do you realize that
Spoiler: Thor 2 endingOdin has been replaced by Loki? Because while all these actions make some sense for Loki, I think his priority would be more along the lines of getting rid of Thors friends before his charade inevitably fails, definitely not spending resources to make them harder to kill.
I recognize that it is entirely possible that you did realize this and you were talking about Loki in the above post, in which case, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Edit: As for Sif's acting, I think it is mostly the clash between the semi futuristic SHIELD and the medieval Asgardians, those things are always hard to do non-awkwardly.Last edited by Silver Swift; 2014-03-16 at 03:22 PM.
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2014-03-16, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
SpoilerYes, I realize Odin has been replaced by Loki. That's my point when I mentionned "character development".
And I don't think that Loki is planning on his charade failing. In fact, he's probably rebuilding Odin's trust-based with Asgard's main champions on a 1 on 1 basis. This is probably to eventually isolate Thor from his group of friends. If they each have their reason to trust Odin's judgement as a wise leader, they might hesitate to side with their friend with the eventual Thor/Odin disagreement.
Basically, Loki is undermining Thor's power base among Asgard's champions. He weaves his web, and props Odin as a more... pleasing leader. Which would make sense for everyone, now that Thor has officially renounced the throne. I'd figure Odin had stepped back and allowed his son to build his leadership in preparation for his eventually accession to the throne, but now that it's no longer an option, Odin had to step back.
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2014-03-16, 10:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
I just had a thought. Maybe Lorelei will be involved in Thor 3 somehow, and this was just an early cameo for her.
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2014-03-16, 10:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
Can Lorelai be Enchantress somehow?
Can Sif be Valkyrie somehow?
Can Thor and Captain America fight Hel(a)'s armies for Valkyrie's soul?
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2014-03-17, 12:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
I love how Coulson makes such a big deal that two guys died to protect TAHITI because it was important it be protected.
Yeah, you murdered two guys doing their (very important) jobs.Tarvek needs to die in a fire.
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2014-03-17, 12:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread
Well to be fair TAHITI was also destroyed in the resulting explosion, so the secret dies with them.