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2018-04-16, 11:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mordenkainen's Tome: what monsters are in it?
Damn. Now I'm officially interested. Star Spawn (which are not reworked foulspawn, unless things are significantly changed) are the bees unfathomable knees from beyond our mortal ken. For example, when Hadar, of Hunger fame, sends the avatar of his fathomless void to the material plane, it takes the shape of a star spawn (4e Monster Manual 2).
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2018-04-17, 01:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think Star Spawn used to be a template in 3.X's Lord of Madness book.
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2018-04-17, 05:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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I am kind of "meh" on the ushemoi. Humanoids whose bodies change to match their classes, becoming hulking warriors, four-armed rogues or portly mages. It may not be D&D's most comical concept, but still, I think it is a bit much.
But I am especially not fond of how 4e made them foulspawn, humanoids touched by the Far Realm. I feel they took a spot that would have been better occupied by the kaorti.
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2018-04-17, 05:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Part-time DM, part-time player in 5e. I aim to be reasonable.
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2018-04-17, 06:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-17, 06:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mordenkainen's Tome: what monsters are in it?
The video is here and I have no idea why they mention foulspawn at all. Everything they are describing is clearly about the star spawn as they existed in 4e. Some great old ones are stars, and some astrological omens are followed by the appearance of aberrant beings in the world, known as star spawn, who may act as patrons for warlocks.
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2018-04-17, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Elemental myrmidons were in PotA. Is it going to be a reprint, or do you think we'll get more types?
No. No, that's just wrong.
Modrons are supposed to be truly lawful, with no other thing involved. The idea of a modron with any alignment on the Good/Evil spectrum goes against everything modrons are.
Yes! I've been waiting for diretrolls for ages!
Eh. I despise anything that gives elves another reason to be haughty. By which, I mean that fact that they're all related to mighty rulers of the planes.
Shadar-kai are different. I've always thought of elves as "banished fey", i.e. minor fey who were kicked out of the Feywild for some reason and fell to Earth. Elves from the Shadowfell is an interesting twist that I'll be looking forward to.
When is it not?
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2018-04-17, 07:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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I haven't read PotA and have no idea.
No. No, that's just wrong.
Modrons are supposed to be truly lawful, with no other thing involved. The idea of a modron with any alignment on the Good/Evil spectrum goes against everything modrons are.
When is it not?Spoiler
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2018-04-17, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZHzLn2S6CY
This video shows the Maruts, who are how Inevitables are called this edition, with the artwork making them look like Modrons build for war in 40k Terminator armor.
Not sure if it's old news or not. Geryon is also shown (and has the dubious honor of being the first artwork for this book that I don't like).
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2018-04-17, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh, this guy. His videos almost always include something that irks me. It is amazing.
I found what he is reading: http://www.dragonmag.com/5.0/#!/arti...6385/103617813
This video shows the Maruts, who are how Inevitables are called this edition
with the artwork making them look like Modrons build for war in 40k Terminator armor.
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2018-04-17, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-17, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-17, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-17, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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I will give them the benefit of the doubt until I read the whole story. Yes, the original elves could be anything, go anywhere and do whatever, in true embodiment of freedom, but I understand them wanting forms, places and aspirations they could call their own, an identity as a people. Daddy can't be bothered to help them find it, but daddy's wife yes. So they start establishing woodland kingdoms, and sea kingdoms, and so on. But when it becomes clear that mommy's plans have a sinister side (and I hope that's not just challenging daddy's authority) they almost all go back to daddy. They still all get punished, and for generations to come.
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2018-04-17, 01:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Is there any word on Abyssal Tiefling subraces? I want my two headed Demogorgon Tiefling who doesnt get along with himself.
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2018-04-17, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-17, 01:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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I see no reason why anyone should read anything this book has to say about elves or dwarves. I haven't seen anything that seems remotely interesting in that respect, and I think it's silly to pretend that their histories should be in any way related across different settings.
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2018-04-17, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-17, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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That is your opinion. Personally, I love what they told us about those, and have found it very interesting.
This, however, is just plainly ignoring 5e lore. As they have repeatedly said, all the official D&D settings happen either in the same Material Plane or in a plane connected to it, even if each world is in its own Crystal Sphere which obeys to slightly different rueles. So, yes, all their histories are related, because mostly eternal divine entities sharing a relatively unified workspace.
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2018-04-17, 03:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah! It has been almost five pages since we (but mostly EvilAnagram) last went into the matter of setting neutrality!
The last time, the OP said I was "doing [insert divinity of choice]'s work here". Which I guess means I am doing nobody's work, and I have little hope the subject can be avoided much longer.
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2018-04-17, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-17, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-17, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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https://media.wizards.com/2015/downl...lack_Magic.pdf
(S)he's right, there was one in UA. Who knows how canon it is, though. After all, Eberron was in UA and we all know how that's goneLast edited by gloryblaze; 2018-04-17 at 03:32 PM.
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2018-04-17, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-17, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-04-17, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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The thing is that I don't recall reading that in any of the books. I could be mistaken, but I only remember hearing it in videos made when the designers were explaining why they weren't bothering with actual setting books, and I think it's a disingenuous post-hoc justification for a financial decision. It makes no sense for the wild, cannibalistic elves of the godless Dark Sun to have any meaningful relationship to the pantheon of the Forgotten Realms. They cannot possibly exist on the same plane, and Dark Sun has no meaningful connection to the planes or Crystal Spheres. You could claim that Spelljammer implies this is the case (it doesn't imply that the same creative forces are in any way involved in the creation of different planes); however, they haven't released any official Spelljammer material, so you can't count it as 5e lore.
So no, this stuff isn't canonical in any setting other than Faerun, and there's no reason to think it ever will be because WotC doesn't seem to have any intention of fleshing out any settings (many of which have completely different origins and interspecies relationships for elves and dwarves).5e Bard's Guide
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2018-04-17, 11:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Faerun wizard: "so elves and dwarves have each other..."
Eberron sociologist: "er... No, the root cultures weren't in contact until after the unification of the continent, so that's a sweeping generalisation."
Athas trader: "Everybody hates elves, the damned thieves. Steal your water, your supplies and anything else they think they can get away with.
Me, to WotC: Yes, a unified lore where every elf and every dwarf ever everywhere dislike each other because Tolkien/nonexistent (in most settings) gods said so. You do you. I'll buy your book for the statblocks, and I'll ask my 3.5 books for distinct flavour, thanks."
So yeah, I'll be buying MToF, but I doubt I'll be using any of the lore.
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2018-04-18, 02:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's a pretty out here claim. Of course they can exist in the same plane, there is nothing preventing variations when they're on different planets that obey slightly different physico-magical laws.
Plus you're ignoring the existence of the "default setting", which is different from Faerun.
You may say that it sounds like a disingenuous justification to you, but you have no evidence that it is a fact, so it's just insulting the designers for a creative decision you don't like.
Also, Regitnui, what are you even talking about? D&D 5e Elves and Dwarves don't particularly hate each other, especially not "because Tolkien".
Outside from the specific history of the campaign and personal opinions, they just have theological and cultural differences that they can find annoying in the other.
If you want to criticise something and be taken seriously, knowing about it would help, just saying.
Anyway, this derailling has gone on long enough. The Mordenkainen's arrives today in some stores, right? We'll soon have all the answers.Last edited by Unoriginal; 2018-04-18 at 02:48 AM.
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2018-04-18, 05:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think you are a month early.
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