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2015-02-05, 12:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-05, 12:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-05, 01:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-05, 03:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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just because you assume they were shooting for young pioneers that doesn't mean that's what they were going for.. I took it for a generic boarding school uniform.
I'd buy it if it were at the beginning stages of the show.. with only a couple episodes to go, it seems too elaborate a plot to not be solved in a rush job.
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2015-02-05, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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There was no such thing as a generic boarding school in Russia. Every single child was a Young Pioneer from 10 to 15, and there was a different standardized thing for younger (oktyabrenok) and older (komsomol) children.
Like I said, they got the uniform so approximately correct that there's nothing else they could have been trying to do.
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2015-02-05, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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actually no, that's not what is happening here at all.. this is not the first time in fiction that specialised russian spy formation centers have replicated american environments in order to help prospective sleeper/active agents to immerse themselves in the american culture. these kids were part of the black widow program, who are primarily spies, and only secondarily action heroines... they were watching american TV and learning the american pop culture references in order to prepare to pull of an impersonation like Dottie's... so I'm still voting for generic american boarding school impersonation.. plus handcuffs for creep out effect
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2015-02-05, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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I wonder if and how this will tie in with Black Widow... I know that in the comics she's old enough to have been one of those kids, but I don't think they'll go that route here. Scarlet Johansson is 30, making Natasha at the oldest around 35 unless life extension shenanigans are involved. So to be tied to Leviathan's sleeper agent factory she'd have to have been either at the beginning of her training when the cold war ended or have been trained by whatever part of the organization survived the fall of the Soviet Union.
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2015-02-05, 01:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by dehro
this is not the first time in fiction that specialised russian spy formation centers have replicated american environments in order to help prospective sleeper/active agents to immerse themselves in the american culture.
Originally Posted by thorgrim29
I know that in the comics she's old enough to have been one of those kids, but I don't think they'll go that route here. Scarlet Johansson is 30, making Natasha at the oldest around 35 unless life extension shenanigans are involved.
Originally Posted dehro
Spoilerthese kids were part of the black widow program, who are primarily spies….Spoiler: RomanovI know very little about Romanov apart from the recent movies, as well as her one-page entry in the old Marvel Universe series (ca. 1984, if that tells you anything). Has it been established in the comics, or in some corner of the MCU, that Romanov came out of a program like this?
(There's her comment to Bruce Banner in The Avengers about how young she started, but I don't know if there's a whole supporting backstory in the comics.)
Originally Posted by Flickerdart
SpoilerIn the scene with the girls watching Snow White (released a year after the alleged date of 1937, by the way)....Spoiler: Snow WhiteSnow White and the Seven Dwarfs premiered in December 1937 and was nationally released in February 1938.
If the Spider Factory was going to all the trouble of preparing the girls to be flawless impersonators, it wouldn't have been too hard to smuggle out a copy in advance, so they could learn the movie right as it was being released.Last edited by Palanan; 2015-02-05 at 01:09 PM.
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2015-02-05, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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The issue is that Black Widow explicitly says she used to work for the KGB, which was dissolved in 1991.
I suppose its possible that she could have been doing some spy work at 6 years old.
IIRC, in the comics she's one of several characters who have received the Infinity Formula (Super-soldier serum light) which slows down the aging process. Most of the other Infinity Formula characters were explicitly tied to WWII, and checking the Wiki says that 616 Black Widow was alive during the battle of Stalingrad, but I'm not sure how relevant that has been recently.
As for 616 Black Widow, just because the KGB was dissolved does not mean that things like the Red Room couldn't continue as a rogue splinter faction.
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2015-02-06, 03:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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it goes back a lot further than that though.. I'm pretty sure I've read several spy stories (fictional of course) from before the fall of the USSR, I'm thinking of various authors like Ludlum, to name one (not sure he did this, but someone of his renown, for sure).. where this was a common occurrence, with sometimes even entire villages built to look like your average place in the midwest, except located in Siberia, purely for training purposes.
I just had a funny thought...
they never caught creepy stabby kid..
Spoiler: what if...SHE was agent Romanoff, in her early days?
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2015-02-06, 05:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-06, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by dehro
Spoiler: what if......SHE was agent Romanoff, in her early days?
SpoilerThis is in Winter Soldier, when Cap and Romanoff discover Zola's computerized brain hidden beneath the first headquarters of the original S.H.I.E.L.D. Zola identifies Romanoff as having been born in 1984. This is confirmed by her MCU wiki entry as November 22, 1984.
So, creepy stabby child assassin is someone else. The Spider Factory evidently cranks out a lot of them.
Originally Posted by huttj509
Was in at least one Mission: Impossible episode. With the agents pretending to be Russians learning to pretend to be Americans.
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2015-02-06, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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It doesn't necessarily crank out very many. I assume that they weed out a large number of candidates that just aren't the best of the best. We were explicitly shown one Widow trainee killing another during training.
Out of that large room with what - about 30 girls in it? Dottie may have been the ONLY one to survive and 'graduate' as a Black Widow.
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2015-02-06, 05:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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One of the writers for Agent Carter tweeted a picture.
Red Room Class of '37. Number of graduates: 1
https://twitter.com/JoseMolinaTV/sta...38421640921088Last edited by Joran; 2015-02-06 at 05:27 PM.
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2015-02-06, 07:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-08, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-08, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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They specified the class year, you only do that if you have or expect to have more than one class, and said classes are separated by years.
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2015-02-08, 05:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-08, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by SaintRidley
It's possible the program continued, or that Natasha's mother had been part of it and trained her the same way or something.
(I only know what I've seen in the movies, so no idea if there's some backstory involving Romanoff and the Red Room.)
Originally Posted by BRC
The issue is that Black Widow explicitly says she used to work for the KGB, which was dissolved in 1991.
I suppose its possible that she could have been doing some spy work at 6 years old.
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2015-02-08, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-09, 03:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-09, 07:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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If peak ability is known (say, 20), you can compensate for the time it takes to train (at least a few years, I'd imagine). But the problem with gaps is that teacher talent is lost. By starting immediately, you can have your teachers permanently employed on it. Otherwise, you risk them being reassigned elsewhere and a big fight getting them back.
At this point, however, I'm thinking way too hard about the practical problems of running a battle royale school for Russian assassins, so I think I'll leave it there.
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2015-02-09, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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At this point, however, I'm thinking way too hard about the practical problems of running a battle royale school for Russian assassins, so I think I'll leave it there.
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2015-02-09, 08:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-09, 09:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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I liked this ep far more then the previous one. It was nice to see the Howling Commando's again. Pity they couldn't keep them around with like, 2 eps left.
"I Burn!"
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2015-02-09, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Carter and the Commandos gallivanting around the world would've been a much better premise, that's for sure. Chasing 084s and the like would've been more fun, and a closer parallel to the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. storyline.
Only two episodes left? There's three more Tuesdays available before March, so I was assuming there were three more episodes.
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2015-02-09, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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I thought the series was only approved for 8 eps total.
And perhaps there saving that for next season and the Marvel One Shot Agent Carter will happen in-between?"I Burn!"
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2015-02-09, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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