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2012-07-13, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
I have to butt in here.
I'm sorry, there's real mechanical problems with the LFH, and then there is just whining at the GM. This is whining.
I get the point about arbitrary character death to a point, but if you don't want to risk a a no-save death, don't go into a dungeon crawl. Having to draw up a new character or two is part and parcel of the experience, and no GM should be expected to hold your hand through the adventure they carefully built with the task of challenging you. Getting through alive is your job, and it's not SUPPOSED to be easy.
You don't need a knowledge check to employ simple common sense. If you encounter a new unknown monster that's made entirely out of fingers, I have to think that if I was at the table, one of the first things I would say, and I would expect other players around the table with me to echo it right back at me and be thinking the exact thing is, Hmm. A creature made from fingers? Finger theme very likely means high chance of primary attack being some kind of nasty touch attack. Probably shouldn't let that thing touch me if I can avoid it. You don't need to see exactly what nasty horrible unmentionable thing will happen if you are touched to know that coming into contact with a monster like this is A Bad Idea.Last edited by Imgran; 2012-07-13 at 09:18 PM.
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2012-07-13, 10:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
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OK, well, that's... your gamestyle. My own DM would never, ever hit anyone with a no-save death unless they clearly were asking for it or deserved it due to their own blatantly dumb actions. Ever.
It's fine if you want to play it that way, but not everyone plays with the 'making new characters is part of the fun' line of thinking, and it seems silly to tell others that's how it should be done. There are many different ways to play.
However, it does raise the perspective that maybe Thunt's campaign is run this way. So by all means, use this monster in high-death games and be merry. There are many campaigns in which it wouldn't have a place, though.Last edited by The Linker; 2012-07-13 at 10:25 PM.
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2012-07-13, 10:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-13, 11:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
Oh, yeah. No qualms with its comic execution.
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2012-07-14, 03:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
I'd say this is arguable. I mean he's a lizardfolk with no significant other attack methods to fall back on. Considering his bite does as much damage as a shortsword and his body is adapted to take SERIOUS damage he'd be at least entitled to a save, if only because at that point he has no real options.
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2012-07-14, 07:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
He had an option -- leave the finger poking out of the hole in the glass the heck alone. And thus he deserves the consequences of failing to do that.
To metagame for a second, when you see a monster like that removes from you by exactly one destructable barrier, the correct reaction is to move on as quickly as possible, disturbing as little as possible. Because it's obvious there's a mistake you can make that will set the monster loose. SAure, the GM is going to look for a way to inflict that segregated monster on you anyuway, but that's no reason to make it easy.Last edited by Imgran; 2012-07-14 at 07:26 AM.
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2012-07-14, 07:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-14, 09:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-15, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
Responding to that:
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Did you even read Linker's post? Or the posts after that? Linker's entire point was that in a game having a monster show up practically out of nowhere like in the comic and instantly killing someone is a good way to ruin the players' fun. In addition, someone else already made basically the same comment that you did, and I responded to that same comment. There is a reason games and movies/comics/books have completely different means of their stories being told. What's good in one might be horrible in another.Tali avatar by the talented Thormag.
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2012-07-15, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
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2012-07-15, 10:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-16, 02:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
Apparently, Dies refused an offer he couldn't refuse. Didn't he noticed the horse's head?
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2012-07-17, 08:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
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2012-07-17, 07:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-17, 08:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
New strip is up.
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I fear the Viper clan may be facing extinction soon, or at least in that warcamp/village/whatever.
Also Biscut's bag there makes him look kinda awkward in the 2nd last pannel.Last edited by Draconi Redfir; 2012-07-17 at 08:06 PM.
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2012-07-17, 08:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerGo, Biscuit, go! Also, I have to agree with Draconi Redfir on the penultimate panel. That pouch just looks weird.Steam ID: The Great Squark
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2012-07-17, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
SpoilerAh, always good to see large amounts of annoying creatures hit by an axe.
It does make me wonder what has happened to the Vipers' excellent battle tactics, though. Maybe they're only good when attacking from ambush?Last edited by Luzahn; 2012-07-17 at 10:14 PM.
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2012-07-17, 10:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
Haha, wow. Biscuit sure is getting a lot of mileage out of both his one-liner and also his great cleave feat. The vipers don't stand a chance unless Riss can do something.
*edit: Apparently the switch-beast wandered off. It doesn't seem to have come with him.Last edited by Marnath; 2012-07-17 at 10:23 PM.
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2012-07-17, 11:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-18, 12:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-18, 12:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE!
Great Cleave is one hell of a feat.
Black text is for sarcasm, also sincerity. You'll just have to read between the lines and infer from context like an animal
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2012-07-18, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-18, 03:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-18, 04:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-18, 04:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, but who would be wielding that force? The Vipers or Biscuit?
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2012-07-18, 07:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Why's he keep sniffing?
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2012-07-18, 07:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-18, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-18, 08:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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