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Re: Thufir's Thupremely Thatithfying Thecond Random Banter With a Lithp #170
That's actually true. However, it's still a bad source to refer too, because it's hard to check where it got the information from. It can be awefully hard to track down the source of a particular instance of misinformation if it takes the path over a Wikipedia page, since it doesn't have to be in any of the cited references.
Emphasis mine. Now written in my words, I interpretted what you said somewhere along the line of "Read Wikipedia, cite it and put its sources in your list of references. If you want, it might be a good idea to read it's sources too". Never put a "probably" where there's nothing to decide. If you refer to a source of some sort, that information must directly come from that particular source too.Clouddreamer Teddy by me, high above the world, far beyond its matters...
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2011-10-22, 08:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Thufir's Thupremely Thatithfying Thecond Random Banter With a Lithp #170
Just don't use wikipedia, it's so much easier.
If anything, read it to get an overview of the topic, and then, if you really want to, search down the sources it's citing. Do not do not do NOT actually cite it! And AT's advice on using information on Wikipedia and citing it's sources... OHMYGODBADNOBADNO! Do not do that if you value your academic career! That's not JUST using a poor source, that's using a poor source and PRETENDING IT'S A DIFFERENT SOURCE.
That's academic dishonesty.
And that will, in University, get you thrown out. Has happened before. Sure, the penalties at whatever level you're at right now might not be so bad, but why get into the habit?
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Re: Thufir's Thupremely Thatithfying Thecond Random Banter With a Lithp #170
To be precise: 'tomber dans les pommes' literally means 'to fall in amongst the apples', but it's an idiom for 'to faint'.
Shame. It's a very good tragedy, and - I could go on, but I'd merely end up condensing a good third of an essay I wrote wherein I mention Macbeth as being a fight about determinism and fate and how it reflects and affects a person's attitude towards death.
Don't worry my bird, I'm sure I'm shorter than you, and I'm also pretty sure I'm at least two years older than you.
It will get you at the very least put on academic probation. Then again, my uni is very harsh about such things.
My view on Wikipedia is this:
it's good for summaries about books, plays and theological/philosophical/ethical/etc. et.c movements.
it's fantastic for general knowledge, for giving you a little bit of information about something you're mildly interested in, and for supplying more information about something mentioned in passing in a book/etc. you were reading or watching.
it's good for online resources that are hard to find. For example, I never would have found out there was an online parallel text sit for the Holinshed Chronicles which is important for a presentation I need to make in a fortnight.
some of the references and citations are useful as a starting point for your own research. To expand: if a book is cited two or three times in one section, then it's almost certainly worthwhile checking out that book and reading it for yourself. This is so you can formulate your own thoughts on the matter, make sure that what's cited in the wiki' article is correct, and so you can get the full information needed for a formal citation in an essay.
Wikipedia itself is never ever ever a source, but everyone already knows that.
Citing Wikipedia's sources while quoting something found on Wikipedia is cheating, and academic dishonesty and is very bad. At the extreme least and if you're very lucky and the professor is lenient the professor might think you just incorrectly cited the source and will give you stern warnings about proper referencing.
If your professor is one of those people who runs essays through special software that can tell if you're plagiarising and so on, and they find out that the quotation is from Wikipedia, and you did it knowingly. Well. Fines. Academic suspension. Academic expulsion. Being barred from ever applying to said university again.
But again, my uni is extremely strict on such things, as they should be, and to my knowledge only one person in my two years and a bit at this uni has ever been done for academic dishonesty or cheating. Said person was a Finalist, was suspended from their subject faculty and college for the rest of the year, barred from taking their exams, fined, and only thanks to a very good appeal is now going to be taking exams with the people in my year.
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Tragic has me wrong, I hate Romeo and Juliet. (My hatred only growing larger as I have been forced into giving a monologue from the accursed play.) I have yet to see Macbeth, so I can't really comment on it specifically, but I do greatly enjoy the couplets and a Midsummer Nights Dream.
Though, Cyrano de Bergerac is much better then any Shakespearian work I've ever been introduced too.
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Yeah. Those. >.>
And just because Cyrano de Whatsisname is better, that doesn't diminish Shakespeare in anyway.
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Don't worry, many people I know hate Romeo and Juliet. Myself included. For many, many reasons. And as for it being a 'romance', personally I'd call it a romantic tragedy, a tragic romance or perhaps a tragicomic romance.
Macbeth really is one of the best plays in the Shakespearian canon though. I know that the general rule of thumb is the tragedies are the best (something I personally disagree with), but Macbeth and King Lear are straight out some of the best things I've read period. And there's a Russian adaptation of King Lear that is simply marvellous. As for Macbeth I'd recommend reading it and Wyrd Sister by Terry Pratchett, but I've not really seen a proper production of Macbeth I can recommend as they've all been amateur dramatic productions.
It really is fantastic though, the tension never drops except for the scene with the Porter, and I truly think Lady Macbeth to be flat out one of the best characters Shakespeare has ever written.
But if you liked Midsummer I'd recommend checking out The Tempest. Not only is it the last 'official' play he wrote, but it's very much in the same magical vein of Midsummer. And if you don't mind a bit of recursive crossdressing (remember: in Elizabethan theatre female roles were played by adolescent boys) I'd also suggest Twelfth Night (I find the subplot the best part of it myself), and The Taming of the Shrew (no crossdressing).
If you find yourself liking Shakespeare better as a poet than a dramatist, try reading The Phoenix and the Turtle or the Rape of Lucrece. Warning: the latter may contain rape.
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Got to get ready for a dinner date soon. So much work to do. Especially as I spent much of my Shakespearian comedy class drawing MLP:FiM related things on my hand.
And arm.
Almost to the elbow.
I was really bored during some of the presentations.
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Are you implying that amateur productions aren't good? D:
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So slightly taller than me now, but with the likelihood of me being taller when I am twenty.
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Hi peoples.
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*gets self conscious and stops*
*stares at feet*
Er, maybe I should just stick to my cakes. ^///^
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Oh yeah, 'cause 'laisser tomber' is drop, or literally 'let fall'. I remember that.
It's all relative. You don't know how tall he is.
This. Or just find a source which says the same thing.
I mean, I looked things up on wikipedia for my MMath project. But I then found other sources for the information that I could actually cite reasonably (Though my bibliography ended up a tad on the incomplete side in the end...)
Ooh, that is a nice idiom.
Hmm. And now I'm imagining some sort of rewrite/re-imagining of/thing inspired by Macbeth whereby Macbeth would be more of a hero, rebelling against the tyranny of deterministic fate.
...and I've thought before about how Simon Templeman would make an excellent Macbeth. This makes so much sense.
Really? All this time I thought that was just my personal preferences. I love the tragedies!
I suppose the tragedies may have aged better than the others, since modern audiences are less likely to be familiar with the events depicted in the histories, and they're less likely to understand Shakespeare's jokes and euphemisms, which is pretty important for the comedies.
What subplot'd that be? It's been a while since- no, wait. I've actually never read Twelfth Night, only seen it performed.
Shock horror! I would never have guessed that.
Why the inverted commas? What is your problem with your age?
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Or that they're not as good. Or that there's not much use recommending them as you'd be unlikely to find the same group doing the same production any time soon and they'd be far away, whereas professional productions are perhaps more likely to have been recorded so you could find a copy to watch?
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Of all the worst things that could happen, this is THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. THING!"'But there's still such a lot to be done...'
YES. THERE ALWAYS IS."
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I'm 5'7'' unless he's, like, 6'5'' I'm really not that short.
Or that they're not as good. Or that there's not much use recommending them as you'd be unlikely to find the same group doing the same production any time soon and they'd be far away, whereas professional productions are perhaps more likely to have been recorded so you could find a copy to watch?
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First time? At your age?
Though I do think their portrayal of Hell.A. in the opening is an improvement over the current one.ONION: So, apparently my dad was up in the middle of the night, and heard me talking in my sleep. On further investigation, I was sitting upright vehemently arguing with Leonardo da Vinci about something.
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