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2011-12-28, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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2011-12-28, 06:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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May be a reference to what is discussed in this thread. Very few people agreed with SirFredgar but it wasn't resolved with everyone agreeing.Originally Posted by Alabenson
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2011-12-28, 07:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-28, 08:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Looks like we are just waiting on Honeko then.
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2011-12-28, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wow. Zipding really hates the diplomacy skill and the Practiced Spellcaster feat.
Now it was fairly applied across the builds, so I have no complaints, but I am curious. If you have a special ingredient that specializes in controlling things and gives bonuses to diplomacy, then why apply a large penalty for being a "diplomancer"?Last edited by gbprime; 2011-12-28 at 08:43 PM.
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2011-12-28, 08:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-28, 10:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
Diplomancers break the diplomacy ruling system as written in the 3.5 PHB. It is one of the most hated builds along with Cleric/Druidzilla and Batman Wizard.
Diplomancers are very powerful with the 3.5 written system. But that also means that the DM will be very frustrated with the character stopping every encounter because they can physically talk down their opponents.Last edited by Zipding; 2011-12-28 at 10:28 PM.
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2011-12-29, 01:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
Granted, but this special ingredient also gives said character charm monster and dominate abilities. Is being a diplomancer worth such a penalty in this circumstance?
You're kind of giving them a small bonus for using the diplomacy skill aspect of the PrC and then giving them a large penalty for the exact same thing. Someone can really net more points from you by ignoring the skills aspect of the special ingredient completely!.
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2011-12-29, 01:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
I can empathize with the criticism of diplomancers, although many of the builds in this contest did it with a good amount of style. It is frustrating to deal with no save effects such as diplomacy. What I found interesting was how you gave bonuses and penalties for the use and non use of Mindsight. I'm honestly a little tired of the Mindbender / Mindsight combo. It is overdone, and there are so many better ways to use Mindsight.
100 feet Mindsight is nice, but why settle for that when you can get a range of miles instead.
Also I've never actually had a problem playing a full on batman wizard in any game. Zillas and Mailmen people have problems with, but I think its more about stealing the spotlight then actual power levels.Last edited by The Gilded Duke; 2011-12-29 at 01:45 AM.
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2011-12-29, 02:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
Ya one of my favorite builds from IC had 100 miles for his mindsight.
While I don't really agree with Zip's reasoning of penalties for PC or diplomacy I think it is traditional in IC to not debate over judge rulings outside of PMs.Originally Posted by Alabenson
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2011-12-29, 02:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2011-12-29, 05:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-29, 07:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
Ah, but the synergy of Mindbender/Mindsight is what causes it to be such a dip class (And as level 1 advances casting, if you don't have another source of telepathy as a caster you might as well).
Realistically, in the context of this competition, I can't see how you wouldn't take it, especially as if memory serves for last rounds ShadowDancer a number of people were penalised for not having the Darkstalker feat to use in conjunction with the Hide In Plain Sight ability."No Anti-Magic field ever stopped a pouncing Barbarians Great Club"
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2011-12-29, 07:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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2011-12-29, 08:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
Private_Prinny cut out the debate in his most recent tour as Chairman in an effort to speed up the time between contests; the process before that was to mail disputes to the Chairman for review and reveal as s/he saw fit. Mailing concerns about scores to the Chairman started as a result of the GSA debacle, which I do not wish to ever see repeated.
The open discussion about ZipDing's scoring STOPS NOW. If, by my query as Chairman about one of his deductions, I opened the floodgates for such discussion, I apologize for creating the impression that such discussion was welcome.
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2011-12-29, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Zipding; 2011-12-29 at 04:52 PM.
Best comment I've heard in a D&D game:
Our bard after succeeding in 2 4e grapple checks to slam a female opponent who kind of looks like Ayn Rand:
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2011-12-30, 12:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Just about 18 hours left for our judge, I hope we get at least one more.
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2011-12-30, 01:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Surely there's an unwritten rule that saying that sort of thing means it's not going to happen!
I kid, I kid, More judging is always good
Anything but the Reaping Mauler for the next IC. Anything but that.
I would be interested to see Mortal Hunter done, though really I'm just pondering that out of curiosity for the wacky races that would appear..."No Anti-Magic field ever stopped a pouncing Barbarians Great Club"
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2011-12-30, 01:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Mortal hunter could be interesting, although I am still hoping for Dragon Disciple.
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2011-12-30, 01:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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I would love to see master of chains, which Thurbane brought up in another thread. Although it would probably be low in number of chefs due to the source being a 3.0 book.
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2011-12-30, 02:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Best comment I've heard in a D&D game:
Our bard after succeeding in 2 4e grapple checks to slam a female opponent who kind of looks like Ayn Rand:
"I JUST POWERBOMBED AYN RAND!"
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2011-12-30, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
Mr. Ponies must be frightfully busy this week for his beloved tables to go without an update for so long.
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2011-12-30, 09:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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My personal folder is a graveyard of ideas, stuck in their dream phase.The "DM won't kill us" attitude is a bubble that sometimes needs to be bursted.Avatar courtesy of Linklele
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2011-12-30, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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And now, it's time for the reveal! Everyone deserves much praise for their entries, and for their patience through the holiday delays.
1st place: Charred Charmer (by Garwain): (17.0 + 15.5)/2 = 16.25
2nd place: Shelob (by Gotterdammerung): (17.0 + 15.0)/2 = 16.0
3rd place (tied): Anjelica (by Piggy Knowles): (17.5 + 12.5)/2 = 15.0
3rd Place (tied): Lydia (by Feytalist): (15.0 + 15.0)/2 = 15.0
Frater Omnia (by Piggy Knowles): (16.0 + 13.0)/2 = 14.5 - Honorable Mention
Enslaver of Evil (by DemonRoach): (16.0 + 12.0)/2 = 14.0
Monty Took (by Venger): (15.0 + 11.5)/2 = 13.25
Sir Daenmoor (by Grey McBannert): (15.0 + 11.5)/2 = 13.25
Senator Graildark (by gbprime): (14.0 + 11.5)/2 = 12.75
Jongler (by DemonRoach): (7.5 + 13.5)/2 = 10.5
Lilly Bleak (by TheGeckoKing): (10.0 + 9.5)/2 = 9.75
Maccles (by nedz): (9.0 + 8.5)/2 = 8.75
Artis (by Tyndmyr): (6.0 + 8.5)/2 = 7.25Last edited by Amphetryon; 2011-12-30 at 07:13 PM.
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2011-12-30, 08:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well cool beans, I took 2nd place in my first Iron Chef XD.
It was a fun experience and I am happy with 2nd place. I made a stupid mistake when I overlooked that mindbender pets have to be large or smaller. The build still works with large bugs it just would of been more fun with colossals.
I was real surprised I scored so low in originality. I thought for sure a bug queen would stand alone in the originality department and I have never heard of anyone intentionally putting an aberrant dragonmark on there character sheet on purpose, much less 4 aberrant feats. I figured it would be one of those
" I never would of thought of that" responses from the judges.
But at the same time the judges were very gracious, because the presented build technically didn't work due to the large/collossal mistake. They could of gutted me in elegance for submitting a build with a snag. But they didn't.
Overall, It was a great experience and I will definitely play again. Hopefully next time I won't have any brain farts.
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2011-12-31, 03:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Good work! I wasn't a judge, but you were actually my favorite. Mostly because I thought Dragonfire Adept was a clever answer to the question of "what class can take 10 levels of Mindbender without totally nerfing itself?" and "control Vermin" was a clever answer to "what can a Mindbender do that other full casters can't do?"
As for Originality, maybe you could give your entries a name that isn't a Tolkien ripoff?You can call me Draz.
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2011-12-31, 03:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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What a close call! And I'm happy to take the win with my first entry ever!
Curiously enough, also second place is taken by a first time contestant. What would that mean?
On the other hand, I must admit that I'm not entirely pleased with my build. After seeing the other builds, I realised that I made a crucial error. I read the Mindbender entry as caster level 5, instead of spellcaster level 5. Meaning that I could have entered earlier and finish the fatespinner PrC which would make the build a lot less feat hungry.
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I would have dropped master specialist. The capstone (negate a +2 bonus on will saves when threatened) dwarves with the capstone of fatespinner (-10 on saves, no save). The build would be something like:
enchanter 5/mindbender 2/fatespinner 5/complete mindbender and something to top it off.
That would open space for at least a lot more feats to include... hmm.. mindsight?
I loved participating, and I'm looking forward to the next!My personal folder is a graveyard of ideas, stuck in their dream phase.The "DM won't kill us" attitude is a bubble that sometimes needs to be bursted.Avatar courtesy of Linklele
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2011-12-31, 07:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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