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2012-10-09, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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[semi-off-topic]Pokémon are completely sentient and in some cases even smarter than most humans (particularly psychic types with Alakazam boasting an IQ score of more than 5K). It has been alluded to that pokémon (on a general basis) are OK with trainers capturing them. It has been implied that the bond formed between a pokémon and it's trainer is what allows them to become stronger much faster than in the wild. Also many entries in the Pokédex imply the existence of normal wildlife (when they are comparing the pokémon to real-world creatures) the only difference being that the top predators are obviously pokémon. [/semi-off-topic]
On-topic: As a Brony, as much as it shames me to admit, I wouldn't love PETA if they did attack MLP, heck I can barely tolerate them and mostly because I try to avoid them as much as possible.
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2012-10-09, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Speaking as a "Brony"; I seriously wish PETA would just shut the buck up and get their heads out of their hypocritical self righteous flanks.
defaq did I just play?Last edited by Nameless; 2012-10-09 at 03:02 PM.
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2012-10-09, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think you may be slightly misunderstanding the love and tolerance expression. I'm a brony and I highly disapprove of PETA and I would be quite angry if they started attacking My Little Pony. But I would still love and tolerate them in the sense that I understand that expression. I distinguish it as being angry at their misguided actions, rather than hating them as people.
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2012-10-09, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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On the first topic, it's pretty clear in most of the supporting media that Pokemon like battling, and most trainers are respectful and kind to the Pokemon they catch. Take Ash, for example - sure, the kid isn't book smart, but he's pretty much the kind of trainer any Pokemon would dream of having.
As for the second topic, normal fish have been seen in early episodes. It's possible that there are still some normal animals around on farms and in the wild even though most "regular" animals were probably extirpated in most habitats by Pokemon. Either that, or most humans (and caught Pokemon) in the Pokemon world eat substitution meat, which is something PETA would commend
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2012-10-09, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Also worth keeping in mind that plenty of pokemon run away from battle and we've seen in the show that when they don't want to be caught, they don't have to fight. Most of the time, they fight because they want to and are happy to be caught by a trainer skilled enough to beat them.
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2012-10-09, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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It occurs to me that pokemon aren't forced to fight under threat of cattle prods or whips. If they didn't want to fight, they wouldn't, even if brought in an obvious battle setting. I admit I don't watch the show so I don't know how often this happens, but I would think semisentient (Yes, that's right. I said "sentient." Problem?! ) to supersentient (oh my, I said it again!) creatures have decision-making skills.
Furthermore, pokemon-abusive characters are usually the bad guys. Team Rocket and Team Plasma come to mind, such as the rivals from RBY and GSC, the good guys. Exceptions obviously exist, but that's the trend.
And as a brony i've already given my input in loving and tolerating PETA. Not gonna happen.Last edited by Emperor Ing; 2012-10-09 at 03:39 PM.
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2012-10-09, 03:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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I can't. PETA is comparing apples to oranges here. The experience is mutually beneficial to the pokemon and the trainer, and if pokemon don't want to fight they don't have to. This aspect is just never reflected in the games. From a game design standpoint this makes sense.
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2012-10-09, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 05:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Pokemon are full-on sentient actually. They seem have the capacity to understand
EnglishHuman language, and other things like that. The thing is that Pokemon who do not want to be caught do not approach trainers. Simple as that. Call it stockholm syndrome or whatever, but this is a relationship that has gone on for countless millennia. Pokemon approaches person. Person catches Pokemon. Best Friends!
Hey, Pokemon eat other Pokemon, so why not people? Especially if you fall under the belief that People evolved (in the Darwinian sense, not the Pokemon sense) from Pokemon.
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2012-10-09, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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If they dont want to fight in the show, they either just sit there, attack their trainer, or refuse to follow orders. That was the big thing with charmander after it started evolving. Stinking ungrateful bastard started refusing to listen to ash, ever. He had to basically trick charmeleon and charizard into fighting, and even then it wouldnt listen to him on what to do. Yeah buddy, you are welcome there for that whole, "saving your life from the rain, saving you from an abusive trainer that abandoned you, and helping you grow that freaking strong. No no, you dont have to do anything but lie there and attack me with fire."
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2012-10-09, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 05:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Same reason a cucumber that wears nothing wears a towel when he gets out of the shower and looks embarrassed when he encounters other similarly nude vegetables.
It's funny!
Flintstone's might have that excuse, but Pokemon does not.Last edited by Ravens_cry; 2012-10-09 at 05:41 PM.
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2012-10-09, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 05:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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They what! Hey look, there went the line. This statement has finally sparked hatred in me for peta.
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2012-10-09, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 05:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why exactly? What's wrong with a totally fictional universe and games made for fun be any less safe from scrutiny than any other medium merely because it's funny? Have we seen a sudden spike in animal abuse cases world wide since the release of Red and Blue? Because then...then you'd have some grounds to suggest that there -might- be something more sinister at hand. I don't have the data myself, but then again I'm not the one suggesting that Pokemon is somehow raising our children to be abusive monsters who only look at animals as either fodder for our tables or for our amusement. I know I've been playing the games since the very first day they were released to the public in the states to today and I haven't somehow gained the urge to beat animals "BECAUSE DOCTOR OAK SAID SO".
I won't call it moral panic, but I'll certainly not call it sensible to somehow suggest that Pokemon supports animal abuse. Just the same way that Grand Theft Auto doesn't increase the risk someone's going to go murder a ton of hookers, do blow and steal cars. Or that players of Dead or Alive have any tangible taste in video games. If you're going to go after one game for what it may have a message about then...you should be going after other games that actually do promote violence openly within the games themselves.Last edited by Tebryn; 2012-10-09 at 05:44 PM.
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2012-10-09, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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What about Dinotopia? The dinosaurs ate used as mounts and beasts of burden, but the dinosaurs are sentient and get on five with humans.
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2012-10-09, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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In regards to Pokemon, The Lavendar Town Syndrome creepypasta has more merit than animal abuse claims. Come on.
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2012-10-09, 06:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Exactly, there is an arrangement, a covenant between dinosaurs and humans. Did pokemon ask to be enslaved? No, they are taken from the wild by force. The fact they try to escape is proof enough of that.
I'm not saying it's as big an issue PETA is making it Gods no, overreacting is basically their watchword, their primary mode of operation, but gods, we still should stop and think about these things.
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2012-10-09, 06:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Except most dont in the series. Too be fair, most of the time the pokemon we see ash catch are plot devices like the head of the squirtle squad, or the abused charmander he saves, and they choose to come with him willingly. But honestly, the only one I can think of offhand that wasnt taken willingly, was probably caterpie, and after evolving fully, ASH LET HIM GO. His butterfree found a mate, and instead of saying, "Sucks to be you, lets go find us a pokemon to beat up" Ash, sobbing his eyes out, let him go so he could be happy and have a family or whatever.
Basically, the entire point of ash in the series to show us that friendship is magic. He makes friends with all his pokemon, helps them achieve THEIR goals, like primape wanting to be a butt whuppingly strong fighter, or charizard and his trip to the reserve, pikachu wanting to kickass forever without evolving for whatever reason he had, things like that. Yes he wants to be the greatest pokemon trainer in the world, but he also cares about what his pokemon want to do and helps them do it. In return, they get crushingly powerful, able to ignore type disadvanatges at will, and help ash become a champ."Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
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2012-10-09, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Now we're already talking about Pokemon... Is the main character really called Ash Ketchum? Is that honestly supposed to be his real name, not an alias he took when he decided to go into Pokemoning? Because such a cheap, lame pun in the name of the main character would be just sad...
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2012-10-09, 06:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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His real name is Red.
Then you haven't played the games. Because, especially the Legendaries, all choose the player in agreement of strength to follow them. When ever people approach you, they mention how strong your bond is with your pokemon and the love they feel for you. There are moves that are actually dependent on how much they love you as well.Last edited by Tebryn; 2012-10-09 at 06:44 PM.
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2012-10-09, 06:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-09, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Plus, given the animistic nature of the Pokémon world, it's implied that in the past you had things like
The humans were cold and hungry. And then the king of the Tauros, taking pity on them, appeared to form a contract. Humans would be allowed to take the meat and hides of Tauros to feed themselves and keep warm. In exchange, they would spread tales of the greatness of the Tauros tribe, with expressions such as "as strong as a Tauros". As well, if a Tauros warrior approached a human seeking to become stronger, the human (after proving himself worthy) would be obliged to take on that Tauros as a student and friend.
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His name in Japanese was Satoshi (a fairly normal name). In English they had to come up with something that had three syllables.Last edited by Prime32; 2012-10-09 at 06:49 PM.
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2012-10-09, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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What are you talking about? I've not run into pokemon trying to escape, even in the anime.
The best explanation for a wild pokemon battle is that you run into one and it attacks you. Yes, some wild pokemon run away from battle, but you know what happens when a wild pokemon beats your pokemon?
You're beaten unconscious and robbed.
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2012-10-09, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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I like to think you instead get eaten by the wild Pokemon, and after a fee is deducted from your bank account, a clone with up-to-date memory scan is activated.
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2012-10-09, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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I like to think that you wake up in a ramshackle doctor's office with a deep voice gloomily saying, "Pokemon battles. Pokemon battles never change."