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2007-12-26, 10:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, Agatha is in the Castle. But which of the Castle's personalities said "ENTER" in that spooooooky voice?
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2007-12-26, 11:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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The front door and attendant security subsystem, most likely.
Since it needs to be able to recognize people who enter (castle security, proper greeting, and internal announcements), it's reasonable to assume that it's a bit more powerful, processing-wise, than the internal security subsystems (which are basically "Did I get the signal that this person's supposed to be here/doing that? No? KILL!").
It's the one that sliced Zola's henchman open and used his blood to write the message... and had that little drop trap...
... oh, and it's SUCH a shame that they don't know Tiktoffen really works counter to Klaus. Yes, Agatha reporting straight to the wrong person...Last edited by sihnfahl; 2007-12-26 at 11:53 AM.
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2007-12-26, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-12-26, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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As pointed out earlier, it's a map that's being sold through Cafe Press.
If you look closely, you'll see Wulfenbach controls pretty much all of Central and Eastern Europe, while the UK and Ireland have suffered some sort of disaster. Ireland's been reduced to small islands, the center of Wales has been sunk, England proper has been shattered, Scotland's been bisected...May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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2007-12-26, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not really...
I mean, Agatha may be reporting to him and doesn't know that he's helping the false Heterdyne, but it's not like Agatha was planning on using him of all poeple... She thinks he's an inside man for Klaus and as such won't trust him... it doesn't matter if she doesn't know he's a double agent cause she's gonna be trating him like he's the enemy anyway
what's really a problem is finding which prinsoners she can use... Before she reveals herself she would have to figure out the false Heterdyne's plan and realize that the prisoners are already working for her and have more then likely already been granted amnesty; which means they are less liekly to help her over the false one, especially since they might think she is also false
Only ones she can trust that won't just reveal her are prinsoners that have some loyalty or love towards the true heterdynes
grant it, Agatha will probably find out about their plan before they find out about hers, since they will probably want another hand in killing the castle... it's just a matter of Agatha finding who she can truly trustLast edited by slayerx; 2007-12-26 at 01:09 PM.
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2007-12-26, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, but if she DOES have to use him, she'll be running on the assumption that he'd be interested in looking after Klaus' interests. Problem is, he's not.
Also, while we know Zola doesn't recognize Agatha as the 'Heterodyne Girl' (remember, Zola gave Agatha a coin in front of the Castle), things may change if Zola sees Agatha again. That'd have been a rather expedited trial and sentence to the Castle...May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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2007-12-26, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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I want to know more about this backstory. Who'd she (allegedly) kill? Why?
The above post made a lot more sense in my head.
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2007-12-26, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-12-26, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thing is, The professor will more then likely want to make use of agatha like any other prisoner since they are acting on their plan; as such he will probably reveal himself as Zola's inside man first... also, Agatha's gonna be careful about revealing herself, such that making sure she has something to offer the person before she uses them... thing is, even if she wants to make use of the professor she won't reveal herself to the professor; even if she makes him a Pro-Klaus offer he will be quick to turn it down and just laugh at her... as long as she doesn't reveal that she's the true heir she will be safe
Also, while we know Zola doesn't recognize Agatha as the 'Heterodyne Girl' (remember, Zola gave Agatha a coin in front of the Castle), things may change if Zola sees Agatha again. That'd have been a rather expedited trial and sentence to the Castle...
Not to mention that we don't know about the trial proceedures of Mechinsburg... considering it's history, they may not have got much in the way of law and order... Being suspected of a crime or getting caught red-handed might be good enough to get you sent to the castleLast edited by slayerx; 2007-12-26 at 02:43 PM.
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2007-12-26, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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It cuts both ways. Tiktoffen wouldn't expose himself as Zola's inside man to a new arrival he knows nothing about; Agatha would have to see Tiktoffen taking orders from Zola to know. Agatha wouldn't (initially) reveal herself to be The Heterodyne until she's sure of who she can trust and who she should avoid - but even then, it'd be chancy...
thing is, even if she wants to make use of the professor she won't reveal herself to the professor; even if she makes him a Pro-Klaus offer he will be quick to turn it down and just laugh at her... as long as she doesn't reveal that she's the true heir she will be safe
If it's one of Zola's inside folks, laying low, then it's gonna get nuts. Standard issue. You have the inside man who is the public face - the one you deal with directly ... but you also have an inside man who lays low, who just 'happens to be there' when the public face is being talked to...
Zola might get that nagging "have i seen her before?" feeling but i doubt she would actually remember
Not to mention that we don't know about the trial proceedures of Mechinsburg... considering it's history, they may not have got much in the way of law and order... Being suspected of a crime or getting caught red-handed might be good enough to get you sent to the castleLast edited by sihnfahl; 2007-12-26 at 02:48 PM.
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2007-12-26, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by sihnfahl
as for the former, he would probably expect the true heir to enter through the front door like Zola did, not sneak in as a prisoner... not to mention that the professor, like klaus, thinks that klaus has control of the prinsors and is completely unaware of Mechanicsburgs true leaders; as such a true heir would never be able to gain the trust of Klaus's poeple and be able to gain their help in sneaking her in... she'd actually have to commit some kind of horrible crime and get setenced there in order to sneak in
As for the later... that suspicion has some more chance to it but that's all a matter of whether or not the professor thinks Klaus has reason to suspect him... if he regards Agatha as just another prisoner then he will probably be quick to make her an offer of amensty in exchance for her help; which is something all prisoners would want... hell even an inside man for the baron could go for that
And the professor has not exactly been hiding the fact that he is working with Zola, he has been very open about it... Agatha seeing him working with Zola before she starts exposing herself is very high
But she's going to have to reveal herself if she wants a prisoner's help to get to the library; only the Heterodyne could make such an offer and not get laughed at.
as for the other prisoners... Agatha's gonna be careful with all of them... because they are all there for some kind of crime they are not poeple to be easily trusted... Agatha will try to get a feel for who they are before she goes and exposes herself. Anyone she can tell that is loyal to the true heterodyne's will be fast ally's along with those who are in there for less serious crimes (such as just pissing off Klaus)... whether or not she exposes herself to another spy depends on how good of an act the spy is playing and how agatha plays her cards
y'know though, i think there is someone else who will either be a great ally to Agatha or a major risk to her operation... though we have not seen him yet, the laws of plot state that Von Zinzer is one of the prinsoners in the castle... he may either end up expsoing Agatha the moment he sees her or wind up being the best help she can get in the castle. Grant it, it's uncertain if he knows she's the heterodyne or not; but if she is using a false name and he refers to her by a different name it could get messy... My bet though, is that Von Zinzer will be surprised when he sees her and will come close to exposing her, but Agatha willuse some quick thinking to shut him up, drag him to someplace secluded and then explain the sistuation to him... she'd have little choice but to trust him considering he's already in a position to screw her over
Some people have very nasty memories for faces - someone they saw, even in passing, is remembered a few hours later rather well.
Ah, but this isn't Mechanicsburg law. This is Wulfenbach Empire law. And, if anything, Wulfenbach is big on the law and order stuff. He may not be a GOOD man, but he is rather lawful.
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2007-12-26, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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But then, he doesn't KNOW Agatha. She just walked in. He has her papers. What else does he know about her? Nothing at all. Not her mentality, her thought processes, her loyalty, her disposition...
And the professor has not exactly been hiding the fact that he is working with Zola, he has been very open about it... Agatha seeing him working with Zola before she starts exposing herself is very high
y'know though, i think there is someone else who will either be a great ally to Agatha or a major risk to her operation... though we have not seen him yet, the laws of plot state that Von Zinzer is one of the prinsoners in the castle... he may either end up expsoing Agatha the moment he sees her or wind up being the best help she can get in the castle.
True, but chances still favor Agatha... As not everyone has such memory and those that do would have to reconize Agatha from any other girl they might have seen in their life... she might reconize agtha, but their is a high chance that she will not remember from where and when
True, but as we occasionally see, not every town follows that Baron strictly *snip*Last edited by sihnfahl; 2007-12-26 at 03:46 PM.
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2007-12-26, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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There's always the possibility that she could meet someone she knows.
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2007-12-26, 04:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by sihnfahl
not to mention that anyone he feels he couldn't trust he could easily have killed in an instant
But then, the prisoners have been with him quite a while; he knows them and has probably given them an 'alternative'. Around the 'new girl', he'd be more cautious.
Actually, we already know Von Zinzer is going to work with Agatha; she did, after all, help him look for his friends through all the 'time portals', did she not?
She can't take the chance.
What is it Herr Damiant said? "These are people the Empire (emphasis mine) wants to go away." Not Mechanicsburg.
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2007-12-26, 06:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh internets, how you make me laugh. Y'all were trying to figure out the location of the comic via bust size? :P
Anyway, I'm pleased that /someone/ else (Read some backbuffer) also thinks that Gil's mom is from Skifander. It means someone is helping me plant my epileptic trees.. XD
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2007-12-26, 10:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Except for the truly insane ones. What if she used the 'mechanical whisk' method of murder?
not to mention that anyone he feels he couldn't trust he could easily have killed in an instant
Both him and Zola have been very casual about all this... and consdering how Zola doesn't have regular communication with the professor (as she was not able to warn him about stepping up their time table)
True, but that does not mean that mechanicsburg doesn't send their own prisoners there from time to time... Sending a murderer to the castle instead of a holding cell makes chance for escape all the slimmer...
How do they solve all the 'heterodyne heirs'? Let the castle kill them.
They try to get their problems to go away ... quietly. No muss, no mess, no fuss.
If someone truly committed a murder in Mechanicsburg, what do you think more likely? That they send them to work in the Castle... or let the Castle immediately kill them? Or do ... something ... that would, in the end, make their own mother doubt they even had a child in the first place?May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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2007-12-27, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Now that's probably something that would be noted on the prisoner's paperwork... Saying that she is not only a murder but insane and unstable. It's in the professors best interest that he would know that kind of information. The professor probably has a decent idea of who he's dealing with.
The trick would be to make it look like an accident. I mean, all he'd have to do is send them into a known 'dangerous' area.
Actually, she does. How do you think he'd have sent for her if he wasn't in contact? How do you think 'all the reports' would have indicated that there were 12 entities in control of the castle if information wasn't being passed in and out? She wasn't able to warn him about stepping up the timetable because it all happened so quick. The moment they heard about the Heterodyne, they had to act; she left immediately to make a move on Mechanicsburg before Agatha could get to the Castle. No time in between to actually get a message through to Tiktoffen.
That would run counter to Mechanicsburg's method of solving problems.
How do they solve all the 'heterodyne heirs'? Let the castle kill them.
They try to get their problems to go away ... quietly. No muss, no mess, no fuss.
If someone truly committed a murder in Mechanicsburg, what do you think more likely? That they send them to work in the Castle... or let the Castle immediately kill them? Or do ... something ... that would, in the end, make their own mother doubt they even had a child in the first place?
Thing is, getting the castle repaired is also within the best interests of mechanicsburg... So it's actually a very good idea to put such poeple to work instead of getting rid of them in any other fashion
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2007-12-27, 12:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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But then, someone who murders another person isn't exactly sane, now, are they?
He probably wouldn't even need to make it look like an accident... i mean, who is he exactly hiding the murders from? all of those prisoners are in on the scheme and as such would be quick to agree with killing anyone they can't work with, killing anyone who would sooner halt their plans then help... only one who would care is the baron and no one's gonna be reporting this stuff to him
That's why i said "regular" communication, meaning she can't talk to him whenever she wants to... She might be limited to only getting in touch with him like once a week or once a month... fact is, some new arrivals could have shown up just days or maybe a few hours ago and yet Zola has made no effort to hide herself from any prisoner that might not be "in" on their schemes
As for new people coming in, Zola would have people on the inside @ Wulfenbach - who's been sentenced there and is due to be incarcerated.
It'd be what I do.
And, yes, they DID make an effort - notice how Tiktoffen ran away from the gathering spot to meet Zola? Notice how he walked down a corridor, presumably away from the normal prisoners, to his people?
Thing is, getting the castle repaired is also within the best interests of mechanicsburg... So it's actually a very good idea to put such poeple to work instead of getting rid of them in any other fashionMay you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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2007-12-27, 03:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Debatable... there's a difference between poeple who are just plain evil and those who are bat**** crazy... One you send to a jail cell and the other you send to a mental institute. Point is, if a prisoner was so crazy that they would sooner kill everyone in the castle than work to get out, or cause the professor a serious amount of trouble, the professor would be given that kind of info
Wulfenbach! A prisoner being killed on a detail is one thing - it's known to be dangerous. But one prisoner killing another? That warrants someone poking around - they're supposed to be working on the castle, not fighting one another. And the Baron's men have to know who dies and who doesn't for paperwork purposes - who's due to be released and who still has a bit to go. And who dies, so they can process the paperwork to say 'we don't have to track this person anymore'.
Regular implies a schedule, arranged times, timed releases, etc, though. One of the fun parts of a clockwork schedule that would be the Castle Punishment is knowing when people can get out without arousing suspicion.
As for new people coming in, Zola would have people on the inside @ Wulfenbach - who's been sentenced there and is due to be incarcerated.
It'd be what I do.
And, yes, they DID make an effort - notice how Tiktoffen ran away from the gathering spot to meet Zola? Notice how he walked down a corridor, presumably away from the normal prisoners, to his people?
If i had to guess, i would say that Zola may have small clanks similar to Agatha's clanks that can sneak in and out and deliver messages
And Tiktorren was not in any particular spot when we first saw him... that seemed to be any random spot; him metting up with a prisoner to check on their work. The only reason he ran down those corridors to met her was because it was either he goes to her or she comes to him; and seeing as she has no idea where he is exactly it only makes sence he would go to her... so far i see little effort to hide themselves... absolutely no effort to make sure no prisoners who are not supposed to be around are gone, none... and if their were such prisoners their damn well would be more more panic on the professor's part since he was not ready for Zola's arrival and as such any prisoners that are not supposed to just happen to walk in on them could be right around the corner from them
Without a Heterodyne, though, a rebuilt Castle would be a target for the undesireables. People would fight over the Castle; as long as it's in disarray, nobody's interested in Mechanicsburg. When it's rebuilt, how long do you think it'd take for more vultures like Zola to try to take it over or loot it for what knowledge it contains?
Not to mention that the "Old masters" would punish the poeple of mechanicsburg if they did not try to rebuild the castle... a master would expect that his home would be intact when he comes home... it's mcuh like how "dying" is considered a poor escuse for not continueing to serve. Really, if mechanicsburg made no effort to repair the castle and a heterodyne returned, particularly one that was like older generations, i would NOT want to be the one to explain why the castle is still in ruins after 18 years and why we made no effort to repair it
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2007-12-27, 09:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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As for the 'mental institution' thing, look at how they deal with 'Heterodyne Heirs'. They don't treat these folks like they're mentally ill (ie, the Jesus Syndrome), they just outright kill them. And there's another reason why Tiktoffen can't make any overt moves ...
But how is Wulfenbach gonna know? The Professor is the one who reports to the baron; he could have someone killed and just report it as an accident... have the guy stabbed and just say he got stabbed by a trap... there's no one to contradict his reports
There isn't anyway out of the castle. Trying to escape on its own tends to be a suicdie run and even if you got out there are guards outside the castle that will shoot prisoners on site... the only way for anyone to get out is when the complete their points...
and the professor couldn't fake the points without looking suspicious
Not to mention that the "Old masters" would punish the poeple of mechanicsburg if they did not try to rebuild the castle... a master would expect that his home would be intact when he comes home... it's mcuh like how "dying" is considered a poor escuse for not continueing to serve. Really, if mechanicsburg made no effort to repair the castle and a heterodyne returned, particularly one that was like older generations, i would NOT want to be the one to explain why the castle is still in ruins after 18 years and why we made no effort to repair itLast edited by sihnfahl; 2007-12-27 at 11:00 AM.
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2007-12-27, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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True, but again this is besides the main point that Tiktoffen would be informed if such a dangerous prisoner was being sent to the castle...
You sure? You don't think that among the prisoners is a Wulfenbach Man reporting back? Someone to watch Tiktoffen as well? Plus, there's a third player to factor in - the Castle itself. The prisoners killing one another mean one less person to work on the Castle - it wouldn't like that. Oh, no, not in the least.
As for the castle, the castle's main intellegnece is not at work, only the stupider subsystems... so it's ability to think is hindered... not to mention that those subsystems are mad and murderous and as such do not mind the occassional murder. i mean really, considering the prisoners are often killers it would not be surprising if the prisoners were already beat eachother up and killing eachother every once in a while
Actually, there are two ways out of the castle. One for convicts (by completing their sentence or accumulating enough points), the other for the resupply folks. While the resupply folks are thoroughly scrutinized, there's something you cannot physically inspect - what's in their head. Zola's men could be on the resupply duty, have a little chat with Tiktoffen, and come out. Nothing's being passed back and forth, physically, so there's nothing to find on inspection. But, once they're past the inspection point, the conversation is still in their head.
Though back to the orginal point which is that Zola can't communicate with the men on the inside whenever she wants and that she currently does not know if their were any new arrivals to the castle; and yet she seems to walk around casually... meaning everyone was easily brought to her side or she just plain doesn't fear them
Who says he needs to fake them? He can be generous on specific repairs or good behavior.
If the 'old masters' returned, they'd understand because the people of Mechanicsburg were protecting the secrets of the castle and the town by not making it a target. The Castle may well defend the town, but as evidence has shown, even IT can fail - hence, its current condition. As long as the Castle is in ruins and a trap-filled menace, nobody in their right mind would try to get in. Without the Castle, Mechanicsburg is just another town under Wulfenbach's control.
And yes the castle can fail, but you have a bit of contradition in there... As you said, the castle only becomes a target if it's fully repaired, but at the same time, the only way the castle has been seen to fail is when the enemy highly damaged it; which in turn renders it useless to anyone who would want it (like it's current condition)... in other words, if someone seeked to control that castle when it is fully awaken, they would have to take control of the castle WITHOUT damaging it
If they are willing to highly damage the castle in order to control it, then they would target it NOW when it's most vulnarable (just as Zola is trying to do)... but if they only want to capture the castle when it is in full working order, they will have to deal with a castle that is at it's most dangerous and powerful; considering how hard it is to take the castle when it's vulnarable, THAT is a task that may be damn near impossible
All in all, the best protection for the castle against those who would seek to control it is for the castle to be fully repaired and capable of defending itself... yes it might make it a more attractive target, but that won't matter as much as it is nearly impossible to take contol of it without heavily damaging it and rendering it useless
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2007-12-27, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Every prisoner is dangerous. These aren't people who stole a loaf of bread from the market because they were starving. Who knows, when inside, what the people may do after exposure to the Castle?
Possible, but it does not seem to be the case since Diamant made no note of any other inside men of the baron's...
Also, even if it was the case, Zola's poeple could easily get a potential spy on their side. The inside men of the baron are prisoners themselves and are doomed to serve their sentence in the castle; they'd have to be mad to turn down a chance for early release and being granted amnesity...
As for the castle, the castle's main intellegnece is not at work, only the stupider subsystems... so it's ability to think is hindered... not to mention that those subsystems are mad and murderous and as such do not mind the occassional murder. i mean really, considering the prisoners are often killers it would not be surprising if the prisoners were already beat eachother up and killing eachother every once in a while
Yes but being too generous would be suspisous... sure the baron would not be surprised if a prisoner got a out a couple of weeks sooner, but he would be suspicious if they got our months or years sooner; especially if it was more than one prisoner... The baron more then likely sets the standards
And yes the castle can fail, but you have a bit of contradition in there... As you said, the castle only becomes a target if it's fully repaired, but at the same time, the only way the castle has been seen to fail is when the enemy highly damaged it; which in turn renders it useless to anyone who would want it (like it's current condition)... in other words, if someone seeked to control that castle when it is fully awaken, they would have to take control of the castle WITHOUT damaging it
The Castle is a target if it's fully repaired because THERE'S NO HETERODYNE. No Heterodyne means nobody's truly in control of the Castle except for the Central Control Unit. That means that SOMEONE could try to take over by subverting the CCU - which was Zola's original plan, after all, before Agatha popped in to throw a monkeywrench into the plans.
And don't you think the Castle failed when it failed to prevent itself from being damaged? Somehow, someone got in and blew the Castle up while it was fully functional...May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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When I look here at the point system in action, it really looks as if the length of a sentence would be kind of fluid. Oh, people would know roughly how long someone's supposed to be in for, but if someone's really good at repairing the Castle or finding out information about it, they could lop a lot of time off their sentence. Tiktoffen could, of course, as you point out, just say that they had, but I imagine that it's hard to measure the passing days inside that thing anyway. Two people in for the same crime might end up serving noticeably different lengths of time, but it could all be chalked up to expertise in gaining point, or, on the other hand, having pissed off Tiktoffen.
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Well... seems like we are going back to the weasal queen storyline... meh
Really i would much rather prefer sticking to main story... it's can be just as entertaining, but much more interesting
They are dangerous, but the professor and Zola can still work with them... the ONLY ones he couldn't work with are ones crazy and blood thirsty enough that they would rather kill than get out of the castle sooner, and the professor would be told if such a person was being sent to the castle... any other prisoner, no matter how dangerous would be quick to ally with Zola to get an early release
also, not every prisnoner is dangerous... some are just there for minor reasons like pissing off the Baron (alla Von Zinzer)
No, they couldn't. The Baron's Silent Inside Man would not be a prisoner - they'd be there by choice. Much like how Agatha is getting in through forged papers, the Silent Baron Man would be there through legitimate papers drawn up for the specific purpose of hiding them in the general population. He'd be good enough and smart enough to avoid the Castle's traps... or, be put there for a reason that would avoid the more dangerous assignments... like the cook.
Really, anyone loyal enough to actually volunteer for such a suicide mission would have better uses elsewhere... i mean, repairing the castle is obviously not on the baron's top priorities list... if it was he would be sending more capable poeple in there instead of poeple who are bascially being sentenced to death. He would have focus on figuring out how to keep poeple alive in there so that he can get more willing poeple, including the option of poeple being payed (A LOT) to work in there; hell he would send sparks in there to get the job done (particualy ones he was gonna kill with experiments anyway)... He'd be working so closely that Zola would never have been able to get as close as she has without him knowing it
Hell, if the baron DID have another inside man he would probably have already known about Zola's plans and gotten rid of all those working for her... but as we've seen he's completly in the dark about all of this
Remember what happened when the first men of the Baron's got into the Castle? One of the party refused to repair the Castle - the subsystem reacted by squashing him flat. Oh, it's intelligent enough to know when someone's not cooperating...
Which they would KNOW. People who get set into the Castle KNOW what the duration of the sentence would be. People would know what crimes the Empire considers worthy of being sent to the Castle are and how long they'd be in there. Tiktoffen also knows the point system. All of that can be manipulated to their advantage.
It's not a contradiction.
The Castle is a target if it's fully repaired because THERE'S NO HETERODYNE. No Heterodyne means nobody's truly in control of the Castle except for the Central Control Unit. That means that SOMEONE could try to take over by subverting the CCU - which was Zola's original plan, after all, before Agatha popped in to throw a monkeywrench into the plans.
Hell right now, Zola is planning to "kill" the castle, something she probably couldn't do if that castle was fully working... She could kill the castle now and maybe later figured out how it worked and restore it under her control... if the castle were awaken, she would probably be squashed flat by now, if not squashed when she tried to do anything that might "kill" the castle..
Really, all the presence of a Heterodyne means is that their is someone to direct the castle and order it around, however that does not mean their is no one controling it as the castle is capable of controlling itself... Without a heterodyne, the castle will move on it's own and protect itself
And don't you think the Castle failed when it failed to prevent itself from being damaged? Somehow, someone got in and blew the Castle up while it was fully functional...
However, one thing that's easy to assume though... getting a bomb inside and blowing it up is bound to be A LOT easier than a non-heterodyne getting close to the most vital control parts of the castle and taking control of the castle... Really, when the castle is fully away it would probably crush any non-heterodyne thing that moves anywhere remotely close to such parts... it's well known, that trying to damage something is A LOT easier then trying to capture it intactLast edited by slayerx; 2007-12-28 at 06:31 PM.
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When I first archive binged the comic, I skipped the filler short stories.
Then I went back and read them and immediately regretted it. Weasel Queen was the best one, in my opinion, so I'm looking forward to this.The above post made a lot more sense in my head.
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weasel Queen is good because it features
OTHAR TRAVASSALGAN
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Now if it could include Jagers somehow, Othar+ Jagers would be awsome.
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[QUOTE=Bloddyredcommie;3720314]weasel Queen is good because it features
OTHAR TRAVASSALGAN
Gentleman Adventurer
That would be "Tryggvassen", actually.
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