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2008-06-27, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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4E "That Can't Be Right..." Moments...
Pardon me while I make fun of myself.
Wait, the kobolds in the sample adventure in the DMG start at with 24 & 27 HP at first level, but even my party fighter doesn't have that much! What gives?
Turns out that once again, reading is an important skill to have "Hit Points at 1st Level:" for every class reads "X+ Constitution score". I was adding the modifier alone...
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Off Topic: I can be barbarian now? ;)Last edited by TheEmerged; 2008-06-27 at 07:25 PM.
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2008-06-27, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 4E "That Can't Be Right..." Moments...
Haha, I did that the first time I built a character... I couldnt figure out why my rogue had less than 20 when the rogue in KotS had a SMALLER con and more hitpoints.
Live and learn....
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2008-06-27, 07:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 4E "That Can't Be Right..." Moments...
In my RPG, linked to below, someone was joining and races have a few base stats for you to add onto. He thought they where class stats, though, and would keep saying stuff like "Why do bards have so much strength" and "Why do wizards have so much accuracy"? Truly, reading is a good skill to have.
Since the main RPG is so big, I decided to start with just a topic on here as a kind of demo. The Link is below. Click it if your looking for a homebrew catacomb quest of epic proportions!
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...40#post4525140
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2008-06-27, 07:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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I had a "That Can't Be Right..." moment when one of the 1st-level PCs decided to push a 30-hp goblin off a cliff, and succeeded with a single roll versus fortitude.
I knew the goblin should have gotten some kind of saving throw, but I couldn't find it anywhere in the text on Bull Rush. I later found out it was mentioned in the DMG, in the part about terrain hazards.
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2008-06-27, 08:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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One of our players made that HP mistake. I'm actually amazed that I didn't!
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2008-06-27, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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I made the hp mistake too, the first time.
I was pretty stunned when, while running a casual duel between a warlock I planned to use and a few monsters, the warlock (lvl 2) bloodied a tangler beetle (lvl 5) with a single, mighty spell. That was pretty awesome. Apparently 4e PCs can solo things well above their level.Last edited by Dhavaer; 2008-06-28 at 02:03 AM.
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2008-06-27, 09:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Sometimes, the knights are the monsters
- The main problem with the world? So many grownups, not enough adults.
- Talk less; say more.
- George R.R. Martin, Kirkman, and Joss Whedon walked into a bar. There were no survivors.
- Current Project: Fallout 4 "nerd" build (3/7/2/2/9/3/2, PER 9 after boosts)
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2008-06-27, 11:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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There are rules for escaping from ropes but no rules for tying ropes? That can't be right...
(It's right.)
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2008-06-27, 11:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 12:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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I, for one, cannot sleep at night unless I know that I can screw up tying a rope.
No, Thievery is not substitute! I want a d% table to tell me what kind of knot I tie, and how hard it is to get out of, just like the good ol' 2e unarmed combat table. Gosh darn it, how can you endorse a system without rigorous knot-tying mechanics! Isn't that the point of making a system in the first place?
SpoilerWhat can I say? I'm still amused that people are baffled by the lack of a Use Ropes skill. It's hi-lar-i-ousLast edited by Oracle_Hunter; 2008-06-28 at 12:44 AM.
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2008-06-28, 04:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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There are rules for how much illumination magma provides - but no rules for how much damage lava does. Not even a possible range, or "if you fall in lava, you die" - all it says is that lava, like pits, is hazardous terrain.
And yet they go into detail on things live Bloodstone, various types of dungeon slime - don't you think lava might be a little more iconic than that stuff?
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2008-06-28, 06:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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I had one over the basic resolution mechanic:
"d20 + 1/2 class levels + mods? So...everyone is in a 1/2 BAB class now?"
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2008-06-28, 07:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 07:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 07:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 08:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 08:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 09:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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So, here's a quirk I've discovered...
Failing a skill challenge doesn't bring an adventure to a grinding halt, it just forces you to do things the hard way.
But D&D characters gain very real strength - in the form of XP and loot - from adversity.
So characters will level up faster by failing skill challenges than they possibly could by passing them, especially when you consider the relative reward weightings for combat and non-combat encounters.
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2008-06-28, 09:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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I had one of those "This can't be right..." moments when I asked my group if they wanted to play D&D and they didn't groan.
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2008-06-28, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Fighters don't get proficiency with plate armor.....
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2008-06-28, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Doesn't seem to be.
If I had to guess, I'd say it was designed to make lightly armoured fighter builds more viable. Previously there was literally no reason for a Fighter not to wear Plate, because it's pretty much better than everything else and you've paid for it in advance, as it were.
A light blade fighter is pretty viable in 4E, particularly with Rain of Blows.
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2008-06-28, 10:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-06-28, 10:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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A spear or sword specialist fighter is likely to have a decent dex, in fact the best AC available is, i believe Hide armour with a maxed out Dex so it's possible that a fighter will actually avoid heavy armour all together.
On top of this Plate is not all that to be honest, you get 1AC and for that you sacrifice 2 off a load of skills and in the Paragon tier you can even lose the movement penalty for scale.
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2008-06-28, 10:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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A warlord can wake people up from unconsciousness by yelling at them.
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2008-06-28, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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No
First edition D&D had explicit rules that if you were to hit a dragon with the flat of your sword, doing half damage, you could tame him by reducing him to zero hit points that way. Exactly how you use the "flat" of a lightning bolt is unclear. Then again, that rule was more than a little silly, hence it hasn't showed up (to my knowledge) in any later edition.Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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