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Thread: Erfworld, The Thread.
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Not really sure if there's any 'villain' in this one. Just people, who are all on different sides, and have different viewpoints and personalities.
The 'outrageous' wasn't the monetary cost. It was an added requirement that they capture Hamster alive with all his gear. Something Ansom didn't like, probably for a few reasons. 1)He hates Parson. 2)Believes that the only units worth capturing are casters and royals. 3) Doesnt' like the idea of potentially facing off against a Hamster commanding a bunch of Archons
Which doesn't really refute anything you quoted. And is something I said on the 22nd. Regarding Toolism.
Just thought of something, why it's easier to trust someone who signs a contract in Erfworld.
1-Most contracts probably have a clause which penalizes someone if they break it. So once you've got a contract with Charlie, you can trust him to follow it to the letter (if not the spirit/intent). And yes, that's already been said.
2-When you buy Charlies services, you 'ally' with him, which has several effects that can be determined metagame. Such as turn order getting moved around. Charlie can't hire himself out to both sides of a conflict, because then they'd find themselves going on the same turn, rather than before or after one another.
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2011-03-03, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes he can. There is even a provision in the "full services" contract that explicitly allows for this.
From Summer Update #46:
Faced for the first time with the question of how to deal with one, they had elected to treat Parson and any other warlord of Gobwin Knob as clients who had paid for "full service." This was an incredibly expensive option that few of Charlie's customers ever went for. It amounted to "the Archon(s) will act as if their Duty is to the client, and will follow any orders, including attacking Charlescomm units." There was also no penalty clause for losing them in battle. The client paid only while the Archons lived.Last edited by ChowGuy; 2011-03-03 at 02:35 PM.
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I'm reminded of the whole incident at the choke point.
Page 99: A plan is hatched: Jetstone releases Charlescomm from their contract, allowing Charlescomm to join with Transylvito and pound Stanley into the ground. Presumably, no one finalizes the offer with Charley - They must have assumed he'd be reasonable about being paid to take part in it.
Page 100: Charlie, once freed, almost immediately uses the opportunity to deal with Parson himself.
Page 103: Charlie bargains with Parson, winning 12 calculations in the process.
Page 107: Charlie keeps his side of the deal by gouging the initial plan to death. This allows Stanley to survive and keeps his side alive.
Page 105: Meanwhile, Charlie comes just short of taking the garrison himself, only backing away to see what Parson can do (i.e. his archons are going to stand back and watch Ansom's troops get croaked.)
And this leads to Charlie's deal with Ansom - He gets paid to make it a no-lose situation.
Charlie's used to double-dealing without losing customers because, well, he'll play fair if you contract with him, right? I imagine his customer base has been a bitter one because he's held a near-monopoly (if not monopoly) on mercenary forces as strong as his. They have nowhere else to go.
Only now recent events have started to make sides think, "You know, I don't need his help that badly." When Charlie went up to GK's garrison, he hid his true goals from Ansom until it mattered most. When he went to Haggar's, it was blunt and transparent. Charlie's hurting, and he's responding kind of like how the Don responded - with risky moves that leave him exposed and may very well prove his undoing.
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2011-03-04, 03:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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New update.
SpoilerI fear that King Slately, won't receive the money so easily... also Don should be worried for himself, I think.Do I contradict myself?
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2011-03-04, 05:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ooooh! Could this be a turning point? Don King is loosing his grip on things.
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2011-03-04, 07:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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To be fair, we know that the mathamancer was already upset, so Don is unlucky.
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So Ansom, in the space of two breaths, refers to himself as both Decrypted and 'Popped Again'. Interesting.
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Do I contradict myself?
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Parson has essentially just put a death warrant on Jillian's head...this could get (even more) interesting, especially if Parson survives this turn!
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Roy's the lead protagonist of an ensemble. All the members of the Order have their own plotlines, stories, and jokes, which got explored in detail while he was dead.
Parson is the sole protagonist of Erfworld, everyone else is only relevant to the story in how they do/will/could aid or oppose him. Without him, there is no story.NOW COMPLETE: Let's Play Starcraft II Trilogy:
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I actually saw a pretty interesting speculation on the erf forums recently, I'm gonna copypasta it here. This was originally posted by Prime2.0:
SpoilerMost people here seem to be making the assumption that the battle for Jetstone will go nice and smooth, and that it being won is a complete given, and that Parson will do something extremely awesome in the process because all this buildup would be stupid otherwise.
But, one question I've yet to see asked is: What happens if Parson actually dies in the battle? It would be an insane twist in the plot for him to suddenly be offed, but the story is giving a huge amount of foreshadowing to just that; Parson is going straight into battle, and is even talking about what should be done if he dies. It would be an aborted thread if he just survived and did something that he could have done from the safety of Gobwin Knob.
So, here's my lame "what-if" scenario for Lord Hamster's fall at Jetstone.
First of all, Slately will be directly involved in Parson's death. We've seen a lot of buildup for him, so it would be a fitting(and "royal") way for Slately to die. We'd see all sorts of reactions to Parson's death., from the royals, from the magic kingdom, from Stanly, but not from Charlie even though it will be relevant to him in the extreme. What happens besides that in order to cool things off in the story for a bit is up in the air, but irrelevant; one possibility is that Parson will wake up in Stupidworld, to find that the rest of it had assumed him dead, and his gamer buddies suspected, but not proven, of being involved in that death. It's not largely relevant to what happens next, though it could easily be used to flesh out the more-or-less new characters before things get rolling back on Erf.
For some reason or another(perhaps fear of failure, given that he is "special"), Wanda will either not immediately attempt to Decrypt Parson, or will try and fail to do so. By now, Stanly has appointed a new chief warlord, who, following Parson's last directive, will attempt to defeat Jillian and FAQ from their current defensive position inside of the captured city. They will not succeed in the first turn, and Jillian will flee back south towards Jetstone, assuming that GK's forces had been dealt with. Of course, Jetstone will at this point be completely secured by almost entirely Wanda's decrypted, due to the fall exploit.
Upon meeting Wanda, Jillian will spill the beans on her alliance with Charlie, and the previously undisclosed information that would convince her to turn. Wanda defects from Gobwin Knob, sets up Jetstone as her new capital, and allies with FAQ and Charlie.
And now, either by herself, or as part of a link with Charlie and/or Jillian's turnamancer(considering the possibility that some circumstance is used to say that this was otherwise impossible previously), Wanda decrypts Parson. All effects of fanatic loyalty bordering on mind control appear to be present.
This throws the magic kingdom into a panic; with the soldier against war suddenly coopted by Charlie, The Great Minds that Think Alike make new "perfect warlord" spells, and sell them at discount. Gobwin Knob is the first to buy, being the richest side, but soon the royal coalition also receives one(though they may just as easily not, since Trem on his own may be capable of competing with people from the gaming group); this may additionally be used to introduce new sides.
But of course, there is only one Parson, and the first thing everyone will be looking for when using the Perfect Warlord spells will be someone capable of defeating him. Enter the gaming group, who may initially fight each other trying to gain the most power for themselves to beat Parson, but will rally together when it becomes clear to all sides that Charlie is an active player supporting FAQ.
In short, I'm predicting that Book 3(and possibly beyond) will be about the gaming group's fight to defeat the controlled Lord Hamster, and the ethical dilemma of possibly murdering a human from Earth merely to play their role in what appears to be a turn-based strategy game.If my text is blue, I'm being sarcastic.But you already knew that, right?
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I love the way Sizemore is able to just wander nonchalantly along the surface while excavating a complicated underground structure as he goes!
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I'm worried about what's going on with Stanley. He's the weakest member of the Gobwin Knob triumvirate (despite being in charge of the side), and he's starting to realize this. Hamster and Wanda had better tread carefully in the future.
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2011-03-26, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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He may be the weakest and that may be a problem, but the real problem is that he's just smart enough to know that you don't tick off the people whose job it is to save your bacon.
On the other hand, Stanley should be the one going through this portal. He really should. There's little use to being Stanley if he's not the one going through the portal. And once he realizes what the plan is, he'll realize that too, and that's where there might be trouble.Last edited by Imgran; 2011-03-26 at 07:24 PM.
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Hmmm, that's interesting.
Isn't that FAQ's old predictomancer?
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2011-03-26, 08:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Frankly, I think that Stanley's finally about to start being a little more serious about his leadership position. Should probably make things a lot easier for our portly hero and company.
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If Stanley goes through the portal, he croaks. He doesn't have Parson's special "Apparently he's a Hippiemancer? Or something?" exemption.
And without an heir, Stanley is a single point of failure for the entire side. He croaks, Gobwin Knob is done. That makes him too valuable to risk on the front lines, even if he had a way to get there off-turn, which he doesn't. Which is kind of a pity, because that looks to be where both Stanley and the Arkenhammer really belong.Play your character, not your alignment.
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Mea culpa. Forgot about the portal rule.
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