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2012-04-12, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Sex and it's position in society are horribly screwed up.
The whole women have no libido just ties into the whole only men are sexual agents" and the gross objectification of women in society.
Sorta tangential; but this is about women's value being their attractiveness to men: Why "I prefer small boobs" isn't helping. (The comment section also touches quite nicely on allyship; though there is a lot of derailing and appropriation of the topic going on... )
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Natalie's latest article on the term cis.
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2012-04-12, 10:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I have a problem with the word cis (and to a lesser extend trans). I'm so used to thinking about it as a word used to describe the cis/trans stereoisomerism that I'm incapable of thinking of a human being anytime someone says cis.
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"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
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2012-04-12, 10:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Ahah yes, "I prefer small boobs", and its twice-removed cousin "you would be so pretty if you did X". Because it's so important to be sexy and please people. Because either you are sexy, or you are ugly and worthless, and you can't just look good with your own style without also making someone want to have sex with you.
I may be asexual, but I suffered a lot from being perceived as ugly until I managed to get over it. And yet, I would enjoy it a lot if nobody beside my boyfriend perceived me as sexually attractive. Just not worthless because of my appearance, and not horrible to look at.
SpoilerShortly before I understood my feelings for him, my boyfriend (then best friend) complained to me over texts that he was tired of girls dismissing him, saying they would only date taller men (him being short compared to the average man for unfortunate but obvious reasons). I struggled for a decent reply:
"Well, I would date you? No, bad answer, it's not like I'm going to... not that he's bad-looking, but I'm not going to... he's like a brother to me... BUT he would make an awesome boyfriend... but not to me, so it's not gonna help at all... I don't care about size anyway... but he doesn't care about my personal preference, so why even do it... durrrrrr durr can't brain today."
Then I decided whatever I would say would come out wrong anyway and sent back a bad sex joke dismissing these girls and it comforted him a bit.
In other news, my sentimental life sounds like it's coming right out of a sitcom.
Natalie's latest article on the term cis.
Gee, words are complicated, amirite gaiz.
Why are all those words somehow gaining offensive meanings/connotations? I have the growing desire to force everyone to sit the hell down, provide each one with an extensive dictionary, and THEN start discussions and debates all over again without the vocabulary inanity. :/Originally Posted by on Dwarf Fortress succession gamesOriginally Posted by Dwarf Fortress 0.40.01 bugs
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2012-04-12, 10:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I feel really bad about linking to the survey now. I completely forgot it asked about bad experiences. I feel like a bad person.
I think it's to check how well known a country's laws are, rather than to find out themselves. I'm sorry.
I'm really sorry.
No, I was fine and I'm that way.
Oh my gosh that's so adorable! Also yay Irish+American relationships!
I have the opposite problem; I get a moment of confusion when I see "cis" or "trans" in a scientific context!
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2012-04-12, 10:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I see, thanks!
I caught that. Probably should have *hugged* you earlier; you don't have to try so hard to be supportive.
I can if I bring you back as zombies.
Not IMO.
Cool.
Good point!
Also, (forgot to grab the quote and I have to go to college now) I'm glad someone explained what "Indian giver" means. I heard it somewhere and I didn't have a clue!Viking/Paladin by Astrella
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2012-04-12, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
...Excuse me, please. I'll be over there beating my head against the wall at people not having gotten the etymology of 'cis'.
(Also, I'm now sad that it has apparently become acceptable to put spoilers for books in an article with no warning whatsoever. I know that House of Leaves is, from what I can tell, fairly popular, and it's been around for a while, but it would still have been nice for something to have been said, or for her to figure out a way to say what she was saying without including a spoiler for it.)
Now I'm imagining self-aware spaceships that identify as being on a specific side of the moon and have issues with their perceptions not matching that if they're not, due to trying to figure out what 'cis/translunar' would be if that were actually accurate, not just a momentary confusion...
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2012-04-12, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
On the subject of online hook ups, they ain't that rare.
Right now, in an IRC, we have had some people get married who met through the IRC, and at the moment, at least 3 people who met through the IRC are togther romantically. Infact, one of them just flew from canada to scotland to be with them.
If anyone wants a link to that IRC, let me know. Very friendly place.
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2012-04-12, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
You look adorable!
Gender fluid counts as trans gender, right?
Does Skeppers and Birchgrove count?Viking/Paladin by Astrella
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2012-04-12, 11:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
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2012-04-12, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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2012-04-12, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I've found through the unusually large (read: more than HALF) of the (and specifically) the lesbian and female bisexual population at my school are actually faking it due to not wanting to be in a relationship.
Yeah, it's cruel. Yes, I realize now this is what happened to me, and that I pushed my ex too far. I now feel awful for an entirely different reason.
How do I know this? I asked plenty of girls who learn this stuff from the very girls I'm talking about. Don't take this as offense. It's not in any way.Steam username is Triscuitable.
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I try not to think of how sad that is.
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2012-04-12, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Poems!
Awesome people saying awesome things.
( Please pardon any garbled posts. I prefer face to face communication then text, and I also don't read whole threads, so I may just put in my 2cp.)
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2012-04-12, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
How peculiar, I have not experienced any sun for weeks. Perhaps there are competing mad scientists hovering weather machines above us? :3
Feeling springy is great, you will have to nurture that feeling until the entire city is springy!
Awww, I want to hug them now. They are so adorable! ^_^
@Triscuitable: That made me think, perhaps some of the people who say that are actually LGBTA+, but trying to avoid stigma among their friends? Just my random hypothesising, though. ^_^'Treasured Quotes
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2012-04-12, 01:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
On the subject of Natalie's post on cis not being a slur, I'm completely amazed and fascinated by the things people come out with. I mean, it's SO obvious that "cis" is the opposite of "trans", all you would have to do if you hadn't come across it in science or Latin or whatever would be to ask and/or google. (Okay, the first thing you get when you google is something about the "Commonwealth of Independent States" in the US but whatever, it's pretty obvious that's not it.) It's just ridiculous!
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2012-04-12, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Probably but if it is as he states more then half the population I doubt that all of them are. I wouldn't be surprised if 20% or 25% of a population were some sort of LBGTA+ but half or more being solely lesbian or bi is to much.
According to the statistics in Iceland around 15% of the population is gay or bi (around 10% gay and 5% bi) and I think I've heard similar numbers from other countries so factor in other LGBTA+ and closeted people and yeah you might reach 20-25%.
But the CIS is in league with the emperor! Clearly they are evil!Last edited by pffh; 2012-04-12 at 01:24 PM.
"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
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2012-04-12, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Ah, but you're not a classicist conspiracy theorizer. This etymology was found on a radfem blog* called "The Cotton Ceiling" and they seriously defended their interpretation. But they've taken down the post now. I suppose they understood they were becoming the laughingstock of the Internet.
I'd be surprised if they actually changed their minds, though.
*that's where I saw the reference. It's entirely possible this is one of those myths that refuse to die.Last edited by Asta Kask; 2012-04-12 at 01:24 PM.
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2012-04-12, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Their tagline is: Protecting Lesbians, Feminists and Natural-Born Women from Sexism, Misogyny and Abuse Since 1968.
Emphasis mine. So yeah I doubt they are the most trans friendly group.
Edit: After reading a couple of posts there... Yeah those are well yeah I doubt I can make a board safe comment so yeah.Last edited by pffh; 2012-04-12 at 01:30 PM.
"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
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2012-04-12, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
happy stuff:
SpoilerMy computer confuses armonatic for aromatic. I don't know whether that's a complement or not, but through generous application of "logic" I assume it's telling me that my romantic self smells bad.
As to being allowed; *glomp!*
Well in that case, *glomp*.
Yes! Now I'm imagining people running around with huge asterisk-shaped lamps in their hands, giving *hugs* and living in utopia. For it would be a step on the way there.
They have everything to do with everything. Dance the dance of happiness, citizen. @_@
Sure!
Ahem. I'm Carecalmo! Pretty gay in the sexuality continuum, don't really know where I fit in genderwise. Right on the edge of genderqueer, perhaps? I just think that men should wear more cheap lipstick. And everybody should disguise themselves more.
Also male! My avatar can be a bit misleading, but I like to think I'm showing off a pretty male jawline there.
Also single and attractive and fond of wearing short shorts.
Bad Musashi. No obscurity for you.
Why do you ask?
If internet ones count, there's at leastonetwothree(?) so far...
(Eventually I managed to load everything) - ^_^
So adorable.
Gender fluid counts as trans gender, right?
You never are, though. *Hugs*
sad stuff:SpoilerIndeed.
*Hugs* Almost everything people in general tend to believe about sexuality is unhealthy and weird. My brain hurts just counting them, nevermind deconstruction.
... there are people who think that's the etymology behind "cis"?
Gee, words are complicated, amirite gaiz.
Why are all those words somehow gaining offensive meanings/connotations? I have the growing desire to force everyone to sit the hell down, provide each one with an extensive dictionary, and THEN start discussions and debates all over again without the vocabulary inanity. :/
I don't know whether cis is being used in such a way enough to damn it, but apparently some people actually do use it as a slur... I really wish they wouldn't. :/
*Hugs!*
*Hugs*
*Hugs* I... don't mean to be rude, but why is it so important whether they're faking it or not?
gender stuff :/
SpoilerDysphoria... Hit me like a sledgehammer last night. Now I definitely know why I was such a hypochondriac in my youth.
Just needed to gripe for a bit... *Hugs for everyone*
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2012-04-12, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-12, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
*also hugs Arachu*
Originally Posted by on Dwarf Fortress succession gamesOriginally Posted by Dwarf Fortress 0.40.01 bugs
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2012-04-12, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Yeah. If you want in, it is on sorcery.irc. Just use their webchat or mibbit and the room name is #thewotch.
It is an RPey sort of room and there is some TF and stuff, but generally people just chat. And it is connected to the 910cmx forums and by extention the wotch comic, but it is in name only now.
And *hugs Arachu* You need them, hun
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*hugs Arachu*
It's good to know that the light of compassion and understanding shines so brightly here that no grues will come here.Avatar by CoffeeIncluded
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2012-04-12, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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*Hugs back* Thanks.
I would dress up, but I'm afraid to ask Toni about it again... I've picked a shirt and pair of shorts to recycle into a skirt, though!
... Now if only I had any idea how to sew...
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*Hugs for Arachu*
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2012-04-12, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know what to make of this.
Is he serious? Is it a joke?Avatar by CoffeeIncluded
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2012-04-12, 03:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
You take a needle.
Then stick them with the pointy end. (I've been rereading Game of Thrones lately)
Also *hugs*.
When I feel dysphoric (in the general sense), it usually helps me to verbalize as much as I can - best to another person, but I also talkwrite a lot to blank paper. I start with stating the exact bodily sensations, feelings, tinglings and then explore them from there.
Of course, that isn't exactly the easiest thing to do when feeling unhappy.
Aw, please don't. I didn't even think I would react the way I did. Usually I'm much better at talking/thinking about it. And besides, I hardly think I could have stumbled upon it a better place than here - a safe place to get the bad feelings off my chest and you guys really did a great job of making me feel better about it.
@Asta: It is hard to say. I think a little bit of both? In some ways I found it quite touching - the entire question of "insane or normal but different and out of place".
I am a bit unsure of what you think he's being serious about? Or joking about, for that matter.
To me, it sounds like a story of somebody being oppressed, breaking, lashing out, being punished - and the rest of us asking: How did that happen? Why didn't we give that Peter Pan a Neverland? - that's what I get from it at least.
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2012-04-12, 04:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Steam username is Triscuitable.
I got VAC banned in COD: Ghosts for using an FOV changer.
I try not to think of how sad that is.
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2012-04-12, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Just saw this, which was all heartwarming and lovely and such.
But...
Then I realised that reading about a traditional wedding between straight, cis people wouldn't affect me in the slightest. That none of that warm fuzzy feeling, none of the 'awwww, that's so sweet' would have come up. That I would in fact have been terribly bored by the whole thing and closed the tab within seconds. Even a non-traditional wedding with xkcd, dogs and such wouldn't have made me anywhere near as happy if it were between straight cis people. And that's a bit worrying, because what makes their love for each other less heartwarming, less sweet and adorable and all other such things? And now that I'm typing this, I've realised that the squee-inducing picture Astrella linked recently is the same; had it involved a straight couple it just wouldn't have interested me that much.
I'm not sure if I'm going anywhere with this, but it distresses me somewhat.