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2012-08-29, 08:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Interesting!
Unfortunately, no. Having more hit points doesn't actually mean that you have more blood in you (in fact, it's not super clear what it means, but that's a whole other story). A 20th level character has roughly the same volume of blood in his body as a 1st level character. Bleeding has never really been covered by the rules in a volumetric fashion, so I'd suggest going by the adage that a person can stand to lose 1 gallon of blood before they pass out. Any more than that and it could get really dangerous.
If anything, I'd apply some sort of temporary Constitution or Strength damage from bloodletting, but I don't think the rules are consistent enough to make it a hard and fast rule.
Also, when an EI uses Abnormal Behavior to produce another EI, does it use their Intelligence or that of the Gramarist at the time of preparing Abnormal Behavior? A level 12 EI that took increases to Int could make an EI that starts out smarter than they did.
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2012-08-29, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
If any of you have experience with thermodynamics would you mind doing some calculations? I've forgotten the exact mathematics involved.
You have an enclosed space made out of Red Filters. You super-heat the air inside. This air should be exerting greater pressure than the atmosphere and therefore pushes the outermost layers of air through the filters. The filters will separate the heat out of the air, causing the total thermal energy in the enclosed space to remain approximately constant. With a decreasing quantity of air molecules to possess this thermal energy, the air temperature will increase as a result. Based on whatever the functions are that describe this body of gas, would the pressure continue to exceed atmospheric pressure as the enclosed space asmptotically approaches a paradoxical combination of vacuum and nigh-infinite temperature? Or would it reach equilibrium?Last edited by General Patton; 2012-08-29 at 09:25 PM.
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2012-08-29, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
I just realized something, red kaleidomantic filters are extremely dangerous. If a person passes through a red filter floating in space in a room that's 20 degrees Celsius their body temperature drops from about 37 degrees Celsius to 20 degrees Celsius, that's not fatal to everyone, but it is instant and severe hypothermia.
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As is my nature time for a question completely out of left field question, can you grow handicap graphs on a chassis?Last edited by Quester; 2012-08-29 at 10:18 PM.
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2012-08-29, 10:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
I posted these questions before and I think they might have been missed, so here they are again!
1. With orichalcum in ALCH 364, since one cubic foot of orichalcum weighs 1,340lb according to your table and stores 100 Ebbs, a “bead” of orichalcum which stores 1 Ebb will have a weight of 134lb, and if the bead was in the shape of a cube would have size lengths of approximately 2.5 inches (a bit bigger than a clenched fist). Not sure if this was intentional, or not?
2. Also with the same principle, with Alkahest is there a limit to the volume of metal that can be dissolved in some volume of Alkahest? With one cubic foot of alkahest could I cumatively create infinite effective alkahest, because it specifies that the dissolved metal is added to the volume of the Alkahest solution? Would adding a limit to the volume of non-Alkahest metal that can be dissolved in an Alkahest solution based on the volume of the pure Alkahest solution work?
3. In ELDK 355, with the lightning leap ability, the wording does not specify what is the end of a leap, so how far can you travel with one leap? Is it based of the speed due to the Push of the Engine and Bulk of the cargo?
4. When transforming planetary metals using ALCH 286, does the transformed amount key of the volume of the metals, or the weight of the initial and final metals? For example if I had 1 cubic foot of tin, would it create 1 cubic foot of gold? Or would it create a ¼ a cubic foot of gold? Additionally if a had a cubic foot of gold and turned it into tin, would it produce 1 cubic foot of tin, or would it create 4 cubic feet of tin?
5. Also with polarcane flux in YGGD 212, with the gravity and magnetic fields created, is there some kind of interaction with the effect of the gravity or magnetic field with the Push created by engines, and so can we use them to push objects somehow?
6. Does increasing the size of input bubble for an arcanodynamic transformer with ARCD 101 increase the number of Ebbs it can absorb? For example, if I have a gold arcanodynamic transformer, with a typical 5ft bubble input, then it can absorb a maximum of 3 Ebb per round, with full daylight in one square. If I then increase the input bubble size to 10ft (which has up to 8 squares included in the input), does that mean the gold transformer will then absorb a maximum of 24 Ebb per round (assuming the UMD check was high enough)?
/Super Nitpick Mode Engaged/ In IMCH 101, when talking about mimicry, you mean “Kenku” not “Kenky” /Mode Disabled/
Hope this feedback is of some use!
EDIT: Sounded unnecessarily terse, thats what I get for posting to early.Last edited by Hellwyrm; 2012-08-29 at 10:38 PM.
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2012-08-29, 10:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
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2012-08-29, 10:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by KellusLast edited by Quester; 2012-08-29 at 10:36 PM.
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2012-08-29, 10:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Huh, I could have sworn it said something to that effect. It says it for orange, green, and indigo filters, so I assumed that it was the same for red. My bad.
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2012-08-29, 10:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Sorry, didn't mean to miss your questions!
Ahaha, yeah, I guess the dimensionality on that is a little silly. The bead terminology is based off of an old Indiana Jones computer game. If the dimensions are a little off, that's okay, that's just how orichalcum works.
2. Also with the same principle, with Alkahest is there a limit to the volume of metal that can be dissolved in some volume of Alkahest? With one cubic foot of alkahest could I cumatively create infinite effective alkahest, because it specifies that the dissolved metal is added to the volume of the Alkahest solution? Would adding a limit to the volume of non-Alkahest metal that can be dissolved in an Alkahest solution based on the volume of the pure Alkahest solution work?more awesomeeven worse with the Amazing Alkahest discovery by a contractor.
3. In ELDK 355, with the lightning leap ability, the wording does not specify what is the end of a leap, so how far can you travel with one leap? Is it based of the speed due to the Push of the Engine and Bulk of the cargo?
4. When transforming planetary metals using ALCH 286, does the transformed amount key of the volume of the metals, or the weight of the initial and final metals? For example if I had 1 cubic foot of tin, would it create 1 cubic foot of gold? Or would it create a ¼ a cubic foot of gold? Additionally if a had a cubic foot of gold and turned it into tin, would it produce 1 cubic foot of tin, or would it create 4 cubic feet of tin?
5. Also with polarcane flux in YGGD 212, with the gravity and magnetic fields created, is there some kind of interaction with the effect of the gravity or magnetic field with the Push created by engines, and so can we use them to push objects somehow?
6. Does increasing the size of input bubble for an arcanodynamic transformer with ARCD 101 increase the number of Ebbs it can absorb? For example, if I have a gold arcanodynamic transformer, with a typical 5ft bubble input, then it can absorb a maximum of 3 Ebb per round, with full daylight in one square. If I then increase the input bubble size to 10ft (which has up to 8 squares included in the input), does that mean the gold transformer will then absorb a maximum of 24 Ebb per round (assuming the UMD check was high enough)?
/Super Nitpick Mode Engaged/ In IMCH 101, when talking about mimicry, you mean “Kenku” not “Kenky” /Mode Disabled/
Hope this feedback is of some use!
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I like culinary applications, too.
As is my nature time for a question completely out of left field question, can you grow handicap graphs on a chassis?
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Under this interpretation, the red box makes perfect sense. Air moves out as it heats up, and the heat remains inside the box until it reaches equilibrium at the point when it's the same temperature as the source. For most flames, that's somewhere between 1,000 and 2,000 degrees Centigrade. So you end up, absurdly, with a very hot vacuum.Last edited by Kellus; 2012-08-29 at 10:41 PM. Reason: g/p
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2012-08-29, 10:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Hang on, sorry, I just doublechecked that:
1. With orichalcum in ALCH 364, since one cubic foot of orichalcum weighs 1,340lb according to your table and stores 100 Ebbs, a “bead” of orichalcum which stores 1 Ebb will have a weight of 134lb, and if the bead was in the shape of a cube would have size lengths of approximately 2.5 inches (a bit bigger than a clenched fist). Not sure if this was intentional, or not?
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2012-08-29, 10:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Ah ok that makes more sense. Thanks.
Yes, but I haven't seen anything about the time spent in the lightning leap or the distance traveled in it. It does provide the Push, and so in turn the speed of the object is given. However does one leap last for one round? Or a minute?
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2012-08-29, 11:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Every jump is a single movement that the engine and its cargo takes. When you punch it, you transform into a bolt of lightning. The Push generated tells you the speed that you get based on the Bulk of the thing:
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2012-08-29, 11:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
So, rather than giving a steady push over a series of rounds, the lightningleap engine works in a series of jumps each 6 seconds apart.
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2012-08-29, 11:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
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2012-08-29, 11:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Aww, but that's not apocalyptic enough.
Under real physics this happens.
SpoilerSome quick Googling reveals that one cubic meter of air at STP has roughly 2.5X10^25 molecules. Set up your cubic meter red box in the winter when it's freezing at 273 K and blast the inside with fire until it's 1273 K. Eventual result? One molecule at 2.5X10^28 + 273 K. Heck, I wanted to siphon the heat out of a lava flow for this purpose. That's got way more molecules full of heat.
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2012-08-29, 11:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, exactly! Which is why the description compares it to a Ballistic engine in that sense, rather than the sustained motion of every other engine (except the planejumping one of course).
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2012-08-29, 11:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
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And then you use it to get as many ebbs as you need.
Because a Red filter won't block the bubble for an Ice Input...
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2012-08-30, 12:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-30, 12:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Haha, indeed. The lava generator is pretty much the end-all be-all for generators. On the other hand, if you go with the caloric interpretation, it's just a convenient way of partioning off heat. You could still use it to build up a huge reserve of heat before you get access to phlogiston, but not quite at the level of doomsday apocalypse, since the heat is used up during the transformation, and would have to recharge.
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2012-08-30, 12:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Ok, this is epic. I'm subscribing and reading through it sometime this weekend after all that text sets in.
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2012-08-30, 12:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
By the way, I wanted to mention that I really appreciate the intricate analysis and rules-reading that people are giving this project. I read somewhere that the best way to edit game rules would be to get a group of optimizers and offer them 10 bucks for every infinite loop or gamebreaking combo that they found. I don't have that much money (I don't think anybody has that much money), but I still wanted to thank everybody that's contributed to the early stages of this project. This project is all about creative problem-solving and using things in totally novel ways. You guys have thought up stuff and imagined things to do with these tools that I would never have thought of, and it just blows me away. Thank you! <3
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2012-08-30, 01:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
I love doing stuff like this. I get to combine Math, Engineering, legalese, and programming, to produce interesting results in a setting that interesting despite having no significant NPC's (yet).
Also, the wording for semi-spaces only stops bubbles originating from inside a semi-space from exiting, and it makes no such rule about a bubble from outside the semi-space entering it. Or through it if a semi-space is linked to another and then an opening.
Meaning the change to stop the AI from being everywhere doesn't stop my method for the AI being everywhere.
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2012-08-30, 01:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Hey, nice catch. Fixed it, although the change was for more than that. I was also concerned about people carried around infinite numbers of transformers and getting all the benefits of their input nets at once.
EDIT:no significant NPC's (yet).Last edited by Kellus; 2012-08-30 at 01:56 AM.
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2012-08-30, 01:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
I just realized that biollurgy and eldrikinetics makes "Rocket Surgeon" a perfectly viable character concept.
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2012-08-30, 05:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Hm. Biorocket. I'll get back to you on that.
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2012-08-30, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
You know what prestige class should be adapted to this system? The Madspark Eccentric.
1. Because it's awesome.
2. Because it fits Gramarie.
3. Because sparks are clearly gramarists.
4. Because Girl Genius is the perfect source of inspiration for this system.Resident Vancian Apologist
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2012-08-30, 09:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Now that I think about it, you don't need to resort to the abomination that is caloric theory in order to have our so-called hot vacuum. When/if the last remaining molecule passes through the red filter, the heat separated from it becomes infrared radiation.
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2012-08-30, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
I... think thermodynamics breaks down somewhat in that kind of situation. Thermodynamics is a statistical analysis of the gas as a whole, which becomes decreasingly reasonable the fewer atoms are in the gas.
It does remind me of the sun's corona, which is a region of a few but energetic particles. They are, in fact, the hottest particles in the sun, IIRC, but since they're so spread out you wouldn't even notice them (the radiation from the sun, though, that you definitely would).
And yes, once the last atom has exited the space, the word temperature no longer has a definition. The best I can come up with is that the filters, or the space between them, "remembers" the temperature, so that any particles that pass through the filter are heated to that temperature. It's sort of like if homeopathy were a real thing, instead of just a particularly egregious form of quackery...
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2012-08-30, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Now there's an epic principle for you. Functioning Homeopathy.
The epic Alchemetrist can take one potion and make two from it, both at an increased caster level.Resident Vancian Apologist
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2012-08-30, 10:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Well, you can already dissolve Carmot in a nigh-infinite quantity of water to spread the benefits to an entire population. Using Alkahest to dissolve the Carmot and retrieve it in granular form makes it pretty easy. Now, going so far as to enhance potions by reducing the amount of ingredients and energies in the dosage kind of breaks suspension of disbelief.
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2012-08-30, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
It also occured to me, that a red filter box of hot vaccuum could be used as a simple, one-shot poor man's battery, way before you get orichalcum. Just be sure to enclose the box of red filters in a cage of real matter, so that someone doesn't put their hand through it, and lose the hand.
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