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2012-08-29, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Not Necessarily. If I get a complete spellnode before them, I should still be able to win. Provided I can get the lock down on the spellnode concept before other do, I can use the ultimate cosmic power it comes with to maintain a monopoly. It would take Doctorate level stuff before I can scry and die anyone else, and magic and my current defenses should be sufficient, aside from 1 or 2 options.
Even then, magic should allow me to fight back well.
That reminds me to build a Magisterial-level orbital weapon. Because you can't do it without some access to flight.
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2012-08-29, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-29, 04:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Can sunmetal store ebbs?
I think it it can it balances okay, because it is so dangerous to work with.
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2012-08-29, 04:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
No, sunmetal gives off energy, which either kills things, or, with a lead input, generates power. Attempting to charge sunmetal with ebbs will most likely result in a massive explosion.
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2012-08-29, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
The third prestige class, the contractor, is now up. It's the specialist class in Alchemetry!
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2012-08-29, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Necromantic Codex: A collection of necromancy classes, items and monsters.
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2012-08-29, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
And for the questions that came up!
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Originally Posted by Silva
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Originally Posted by General Patton
For those wondering about making more interesting chassises as well, like swarms and oozes as Eldan(?) mentioned earlier, that'll be a perk for the biollurgy PrC, the graughtsman. Sorry for the delay with the PrCs, I'm back on track now and they should all be up in the next few days.
Originally Posted by Quester
As another random question, could you put a semi-space inside another semi-space? if so infinite recursive storage, just make the opening to the interior semi-spaces as wide as the semi-space its in.
Originally Posted by jojolagger
That being said, this brings up an interesting point about modern technology. The assumption in most D&D settings, and in this material, is that moderns technology not only doesn't exist, but it's pretty much actively impossible. That is, it's actually impossible in-setting to build an integrated circuit or an aerofoil and so on. That's why I've presented magical alternatives, such as a simple orthogonal engine instead of an internal combustion engine to create horizontal movement. The example of the WWII-era tank in the spectroconstruction table was mostly there to show how much raw physical labour something like that would take to create, not necessarily the technological and scientific invention and advances that went into designing the tank in the first place. Spectroconstruction, as mentioned earlier, gives you unskilled labourers, and in a normal D&D setting, they wouldn't be able to invent and construct an actual tank I'm afraid.
That being said, if your setting actually includes real technology on par with that sort of thing, spectroconstruction is totally appropriate to build it. The thing to remember is that it's just unskilled labour, it's not people inventing and innovating things beyond the mundane technology of the setting. I realize it's a fine line to walk, but then you have craziness like using spectroconstruction to build things like actual computers and so on.
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After some insightful comments by Quester, I've decided to drop the normal method of enhancing a gold output's light radius. Instead, excess ebbs are now transformed into a bolt of light akin to a searing light effect. Thank you for bringing up how ridiculous it was!Last edited by Kellus; 2012-08-29 at 05:57 PM.
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2012-08-29, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-29, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Unless you are a Contractor, of course.
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2012-08-29, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Because that's just what the prestige class is; devils and demons are traditionally associated with tempting and making deals with mortals, and this class follows in that proud tradition. It's not like there's an alignment restriction, you can still be a Good person and negotiate with demons on the side, but the class itself is about dealing with fiends.
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Originally Posted by AmechraLast edited by Kellus; 2012-08-29 at 05:48 PM.
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2012-08-29, 05:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-29, 05:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
CONTRACTOR IS AWESOME.
For Continual Carmot does it give regeneration or did you mean fast healing? If regen what bypasses it, and can it affect undead or creatures without con scores?
Personally I think there should be a cap on the amount of damage that you can deal with sunmetal just because I could see a contractor sitting in a semispace making a bomb which would could deal trillions of damage with trillions of negative levels >.>
General question about sunmetal. Is it blocked by death ward? Radioativity doesn't sound like negative energy to me so I wasn't sure.
For Phlegmatic Phlogiston I really don't think this is needed... Phlogiston is already REALLY REALLY REALLY good. Can't it easily make a generator that generates 98 ebbs a round?
For solomon's key, can you craft magic items with it? Assuming you can craft the items?Awesome Avatar by Derjuin
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2012-08-29, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Honestly, I just saw the challenge and wanted to do something cool with Spectroconstruction. Oh hey, tank. I'll take a heavy German tank from late WWII, and use magic to cover the fuel and repair problems.
Another way to use Spectroconstruction would be to basically summon 1.2 carts a round, to drop on people or form barricades.
Also, with the magisterial principle KALD 207, you can seriously concentrate alcohol. Vodka is Water and ethanol, with trace amounts of other stuff. Pass it through a blue filter and you have near pure ethanol, which is a backup fuel source for the tank.
There is a more complex way to distill alcohol with only Baccalaureate principles, but needs a red filter box with the internal temperature between the boiling points of said alcohol and water.
Alternately, you just boil vodka and have some biomass filter out the water vapor.
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2012-08-29, 06:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Good questions!
It just gives plain regeneration, which by the rules isn't passed by anything. Much like the tarrasque's regeneration, you would have to kill the person and then use a wish effect to keep them dead. Or more likely, since it's from something they ate, just tie them up while they're unconscious and wait 24 hours for it to pass out of their system.
Personally I think there should be a cap on the amount of damage that you can deal with sunmetal just because I could see a contractor sitting in a semispace making a bomb which would could deal trillions of damage with trillions of negative levels >.>
General question about sunmetal. Is it blocked by death ward? Radioativity doesn't sound like negative energy to me so I wasn't sure.
For Phlegmatic Phlogiston I really don't think this is needed... Phlogiston is already REALLY REALLY REALLY good. Can't it easily make a generator that generates 98 ebbs a round?
For solomon's key, can you craft magic items with it? Assuming you can craft the items?
Originally Posted by QwertystopLast edited by Kellus; 2012-08-29 at 06:09 PM.
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2012-08-29, 06:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-29, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Okay, I give up. The contractor can build machine guns.
Seriously though, I really liked the tank, and it kind of broke my heart to have to say that it wouldn't work. I changed the table entry in spectroconstruction and added a note about the unskilled labour aspect of it so that hopefully other people won't get a mistaken impression as well.
EDIT: By the by, I ended up changing my mind about exotic intelligences and chassises. If you have a chassis connected to a circuit that has an EI, it can take control of it as if it were the brain of the creature.Last edited by Kellus; 2012-08-29 at 06:24 PM.
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2012-08-29, 06:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
And can it affect undead or constructs?
Death ward protects against "death spells, magical death effects, energy drain, and any negative energy effects". Radiomantic bombs don't reference any of those, so no. As is, the only way to protect against it is to be inside of a lead input net, or in an antimagic field (and that last one won't help against a bomb made by a 20th level gramarist).Awesome Avatar by Derjuin
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2012-08-29, 06:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Undead and constructs are both creatures, so they both gain the regeneration property for 24 hours if they consume carmot.
The question I more of had then is do things that block negative levels block the negative levels gained through handeling radioactive material? Or the explosion from sunmetal?
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2012-08-29, 06:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
For the undead question I simply ask that because regeneration can't normally affect creatures without a con score. Also that makes any undead creature immune to damage while under it's affects as regeneration turns the damage into non lethal damage which undead and constructs are immune to.
For the second some things aren't like death ward were they specify negative energy. For example soulfire armor just blocks "Negative levels" you might want to specify that the negative level's aren't blocked by anything that normally blocks negative levels.Last edited by Silva Stormrage; 2012-08-29 at 06:35 PM.
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2012-08-29, 06:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Technically, Regeneration is limited to living creatures, ones with a Con score, IIRC.
EDIT: Yep, I was Right. Last line says itLast edited by EdroGrimshell; 2012-08-29 at 06:40 PM.
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2012-08-29, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Oh, excellent catch. Good point, I think I'll just avoid the entire problem by making it flat fast healing. Thank you, I can't believe I'm that dumb
For the second some things aren't like death ward were they specify negative energy. For example soulfire armor just blocks "Negative levels" you might want to specify that the negative level's aren't blocked by anything that normally blocks negative levels.
It's a fine line, but it's like being immune to fireballs and being immune to fire damage.
Originally Posted by Edro GrimshellLast edited by Kellus; 2012-08-29 at 06:40 PM.
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2012-08-29, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
I'd actually like to see some extra disciplines/principles and PrCs that can have multiple specializations.
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2012-08-29, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-29, 07:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
3rd. Also, perhaps some feats? Maybe a high (16-20) level one that allows your bubbles to penetrate semi-spaces?
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If you place an engine fully in a semi-space, then attach combined wood input/output transformers, placed intersecting the portal, would the engines be able to be powered by a heuristic circuit?Last edited by Morcleon; 2012-08-29 at 07:53 PM.
Avatar of Furude Setsuna, by Telasi.Originally Posted by Akagi
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2012-08-29, 07:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-29, 08:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Absolutely they can. They have mental statistics and everything, they don't even need a body to gain class levels. But I imagine it would help.
Now, the LA on something like that, I have absolutely no idea since there are far too many variables. But an EI is well within their rights to take class levels.
By the way, do EIs also have a soul?
Originally Posted by Edro Grimshell
Incidentally, for anyone interested, the discovery lists (Alchemastery, Elder Kinetic, etc) are intended to be universal, so any specialist prestige class would have access to them.
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Originally Posted by MorcleonLast edited by Kellus; 2012-08-29 at 08:27 PM. Reason: attribution
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2012-08-29, 08:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-29, 08:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
For Submerging Engines, can we get some sort of approximate conversion rate for HP to volume of fluid blood? With the help of Black Filter anesthetic and a bunch of magical healing, you could fuel the engine without actually killing anything.
Also, when an EI uses Abnormal Behavior to produce another EI, does it use their Intelligence or that of the Gramarist at the time of preparing Abnormal Behavior? A level 12 EI that took increases to Int could make an EI that starts out smarter than they did.Last edited by General Patton; 2012-08-29 at 08:44 PM.
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2012-08-29, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
I like that idea of Geo-Engineering:
Use a principle to reduce Humidity in the air to 0, making it near impossible to rain, resulting in less plants, less plants results in no stability in soil, this results in sand. Thus a desert is soon formed. It would take a year or two to do but the results can be very interesting.
Also, I made a variant version of the Contractor as I don't use the Tome of Magic's Binding. Here is a link.Spoiler: Old Avatar by Aruiushttp://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/Zeritho/Koboldbard.png
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2012-08-29, 08:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: She Blinded Me with Science! (Magitek That Doesn't Make Me Cry Myself To Sleep)
Heh, sorry Amechra, I'm just not good enough to make this kind of stuff yet, I'll be able to pitch ideas and the like, but that's about is. I'm already having enough trouble with a bit of homebrew I'm making that builds souls from soul fragments (which is a 3rd party thing, TBH, so it likely won't show up on here).