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2011-11-27, 03:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Interesting theme. That sounds great, especially if I decide to just drop any RP or story (unless you can think of something interesting?). And no, teammates would not know each other (I honestly don't think it would be much of a game at all if they did, certainly not like a WW game.). Also, just to clarify, I think you mean that once they scry a teammate that has a mark it get auto-removed? Sounds good. I will also make an edit (since it looks like I made it really unclear) that I am considering simply making the marks permanent.
EDIT: Oh wait, I get what you mean, if teammates know each other. I would prefer not, but I will give that some thought. Might make things interesting.Last edited by 101jir; 2011-11-27 at 03:47 PM.
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2011-11-27, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Agreed, but if 101jir uses that theme, I hope he doesn't run his game any time near when I run my own variant. I still need to play a few more games and run classic or lite to get a better feel before I try my own variant, so mine probably won't be until some time next year.
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2011-11-27, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Long Sig (now with nonsense riddles).
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...you either learn to laugh, or you go insane. I prefer to laugh.
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2011-11-28, 07:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry, only just noticed this. Ther basic reason is that I don't enjoy having nothing to analyse. No information on dead players, no way of analysing votes without knowing the roles of the player that was voted for, and if you don't have a role you spend pretty much the whole game in the dark randomly voting, because there's nothing to go on. It turns into a game where everyone relies on the seer, because they're the only guy that knows what's going on. That's why I like the inclusion of the card 'suits', at least that gives a team the dead player is on, something to hang vote analysis on.
Not saying these kind of games are bad, I just don't enjoy them personally and tend to steer clear of them. With limited time these days I have to pick and choose my WW games, and I don't often risk my quota on a game I most likely won't enjoy.
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2011-11-28, 02:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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I dont have time to post this in any game i play, so please quote me to these threads.
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2011-11-28, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, it could be fun, but I'd worry about game balance. I'd highly suggest you find a very experient co-narrator to help weed off these before game begins.
But it'sa good idea, we need another sort of withunt game, I only managed to play one, and the last one was sort of a headache to mod (I'd even settle for the first ruleset, it was pretty fun, and not as unbalanced as it may sound, provided the WW gets some small changes).
I see one flaw that I don't think others have said: it's kind of easy to have a tie. In fact, unless one of the two last players is a sniper I think it's impossible for a team to win. And if both arethen its a tie because they both kill each other.
@BourgeoisJerry/101: In case both of you want a card theme, you don't have to both use this one. There's also the spanish deck that has swords, clubs, golds and cups (respectively the spades, clubs, diamonds and hearts from the "standard" one).Last edited by Gray Mage; 2011-11-28 at 06:47 PM.
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2011-11-28, 06:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-28, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I'm much more interested in playing it, but if no one else volunteeres and depending on when the game begins, I may be able to help you.
I had forgotten the correct word was "suit". Thanks for that.
And see, this is a third different card theme. I bet there are even more out there.Last edited by Gray Mage; 2011-11-28 at 07:09 PM.
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2011-11-28, 07:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd be a bit reluctant to use those suits myself unless I wanted to use a tarot theme. The Swiss German suits (Roses, Bells, Acorns and Shields) would probably be my first pick if I wanted to use different suits, but even then I would still feel a bit like a copy-cat if I used a playing card theme so soon after somebody else used one. Worst-case scenario, I'll just put off my variant for a few more months and have more time to get a feel for the game.
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2011-11-28, 07:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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You ran the last two Witchhunts. You deserve a chance to play one/something like it.
@Jerry: I started writing a Tarot WW, where each player is one of the Major Arcana. So it was on my mind.Last edited by Penguinator; 2011-11-28 at 07:14 PM.
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2011-11-28, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, personally I liked the four different orders of knights better anyways for 101Jir's game. I think that cards suit yours perfectly, Bourgeois.
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2011-11-28, 07:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Everyone has their own preference of suits, of course. The spanish one came to mind because it's one I use a lot (also, in some decks it has some pretty good drawings).
Still, it might be good to keep these in mind, in case you want to change things for a second game.
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2011-11-28, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Note to self: make sure to join this game and 101's on principle.
Anyway, my game includes kings, queens and knaves as power roles, so I think I'll stick with the classic french suits. I considered having a Joker in my game as well, but decided against it because its powers would be too similar to the knave's. On the other hand, 101 might be able to use a neutral role that always scries as villager on the side of whoever scried it in his game. But while having 21 players in a playing card themed game would be kind of cool, a neutral role might throw off balance a bit, especially if it had a goal other than survival.
Yeah, those other suits would be great for sequels.Last edited by BourgeoisJerry; 2011-11-28 at 07:31 PM.
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2011-11-28, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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This.
With no information at all.... ever.... it literally boils down to luck as to who wins. If I wanted to play a game of luck I'd head to the boat and shoot some craps. At least that way I have the chance to actually win something.
No information basically turns the game into rock-paper-scissors.
I like RPS as much as he next guy, but I don't want to play it for a month straight.
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2011-11-28, 09:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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What do you mean by no info at all? The wolves give you info every time they night kill.
Anyways, there are ways to put a little bit of info back in the game. On another forum that I play on there is a medic role that can publicly reveal a certain number of lynched player's alignment and/or role.
This can even be a wolf role, though every instance I have seen of that particular role (wolf medic) has ended in a:
Confirmed/known to be human, aka the decider
Wolf, confirmed as medic
Human who might be a wolf
Decider chooses to lynch the other human.The BareFoot Programmer
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2011-11-28, 09:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry about not getting back to everyone
Ya, I could switch suits. WIth the below, I think I might just stick with the different orders of knights. Just so long as I can come up with an RP reason that they all have equal desire to wipe each other out.
On the tie thing, though, I don't see what you mean, could you clarify why this would occur? I suppose if they figured each other out too fast, and somehow happened to be even at the time it happened, but I would think that the snipers would take care of that.
Always nice to hear an opinion. I will probably go with that then. Also, I am getting an RP idea (ya I know, kindof cheezy, but what do you think?):
SpoilerRed knights: Honor, Klingon style
Grey Knights: Survivalists, whatever it takes.
Blue knights: Sentimentalists, act on emotion
Green: Intellectuals, act on reason
Red VS Grey: No honor. Grey sees Red as hostile
Blue VS Red: Blue fears Red, and wants them eliminated. Red sees them as cowards
Grey VS Blue: Grey does not trust blue, too unstable. Blue has had members killed by Grey, and swore revenge.
Green VS Red: Vulcan and Klingon. Need I say more?
Green VS Grey: Grey fears that they have a devious plot to take over the world, including them. Is this true? I haven't made up my mind.
Green VS BLue: Vulcans and Betazoids, funny as heck, but classic issue.
Just making sure, none of this is directed at my game, is it? If so, how could I improve it? My main concern is that if I allow role reveals on death, the numbers become just too clear, then we have to worry about what Gray Mage said about ties. Then it would certainly be a constant tie. If you have other ideas though, let me know.Last edited by 101jir; 2011-11-28 at 09:47 PM.
Long Sig (now with nonsense riddles).
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2011-11-28, 10:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerWhat kind of paranoid mind sees that as something else. ~ The Narrator, during Stranded in Space.
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2011-11-29, 12:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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To clarify the situation, ya, wolves might kill because they are threatened, trying to throw everyone off, or influence the vote in some way. Problem is, it is guess work as to which tactic they are using, as it switches off so often. A really good player observes what tactics people assume, and then use it to their advantage, either that they will stick rigidly to that mindset, or that such a mindset is not as accepted. In the end, it adds up to guesswork. Sorry about my wordy way of putting things
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Long Sig (now with nonsense riddles).
Squadron leader of =Knights of Wolf= in War Thunder
...you either learn to laugh, or you go insane. I prefer to laugh.
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2011-11-29, 02:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerWhat kind of paranoid mind sees that as something else. ~ The Narrator, during Stranded in Space.
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2011-11-29, 05:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Don't worry 101, it wasn't pointed at your game, I was responding to Flabort asking me why I don't really like 'funstrating' mystery games.
What Shadow and Flea said really. The only solid info wolf kills give you is that the player they targetted is dead; that's it. The wolves should just kill randomly determined targets to make sure there is no opattern, and there is literally no way to pick them out but for pure luck. If the wolves in a game like that have any sense, then they won't try to save each other in the vote either, because the chances are they can stay hidden and not have to risk it.
Roles that can reveal dead players roles are all well and good, but again its only really fun for whoever has that role, instead of follow the seer its follow the medic. For 'feel' and 'hunch' analysers like myself, these kind of games just hold no interest for me. By all means run it, plenty of people enjoy that kind of alternative, I just thought I;d explain why this variant doesn't do anything for me.
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2011-11-29, 06:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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There are wolves who roll dice to decide their kills?
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2011-11-29, 06:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Quick reply: For some reason I had actually thought that the factions would be revealed upon death.
Not revealing makes it much more unlikely, but I'd still think about what to do in case the game ends up with two factions with the same number of players and no snipers, if only to not have possible problems. Having the first to vote win is not exactly a rule I'd personally like. Having both teams win would be the simplest, I think. It'd also mean that if a single player is left in a faction then he'd still have a winning chance, even without being a sniper.
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2011-11-29, 06:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-29, 09:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-29, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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So my six team game idea, where each player belongs to two teams:
I've come up with names for the factions.
SpoilerFaction A (who cannot get Dragons) are Lord of the Rings Fans. Dragons are extinct. Bilbo was involved in the slaying of the LAST ONE, any attempt to say otherwise is a lie.
Faction B (Who cannot have psychic mediums) are Harry Potter Fans. Magic is Magic, Psychic powers are just something muggles are fooled into thinking exist.
Faction C (Who cannot have Necromancers) are Sonic/Mario Fans. The two series are so often overlapped by fan writers, they may as well be one faction.
Faction D (Who cannot have Sea Serpents) are Star Trek Fans. Kirk, Picard, or any other, very rarely do they ever see an ocean, or even a lake.
Faction E (who cannot have assassins) are Pokemon Fans. Really, have you ever seen anyone actually try to hurt EACHOTHER in that?
Faction F (Who cannot get Paladins) are Twilight fans. Depraved, soulless monsters, who cannot be forces for good. in any way.
...Yeah, somebody else may want to give me a few pointers to rearrange that. I tried for a collection that made sense, but... well, you know.Demilich avatar by Smuchmuch. Thank you VERY much!
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2011-11-29, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh really?
My worry with that many teams is that very quickly every team will know what role everyone else is...which could be complicated."I'm just going on motive and opportunity here and the fact that if the earth got swallowed by a black hole, I'd look suspiciously in your direction first."
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2011-11-29, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-29, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Allright, excluding Jared.
As to your concern, an example of what might happen:
So you belong to Teams C and E (Sonic/Mario and Pokemon, the two video game factions). You know who all is on those teams. Somebody on Team C sets up a quickchat, and someone else reveals they belong to Sonic/Mario and Twilight (team F, one of your targets). Because you realize there may be people you're trying to kill within your team (due to you belonging to another team), you decide not to reveal your teams to your teams. Other people refuse to reveal their teams, too, and only a few people end up revealing their teams. These people are quickly eliminated by their enemies.
As to powers (maybe that's what you meant by roles, actually more probable), revealing your role to your team would reveal your role to your enemies. If you kept your teams secret, that wouldn't be too much of a problem, but then your enemies might know you're their enemies anyways, because their in B and E (Harry Potter+Pokemon), so anyone not in both their factions is an enemy. So they share your role with their other team, which is an enemy to you, who then obliterates you. So, it's a good idea not to share your powers with your own teams, either.
That concern, is quite legit. I don't think, personally, that it will be an issue, but yes. This will be... complicated. Very Funstrating.Demilich avatar by Smuchmuch. Thank you VERY much!
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2011-11-29, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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In a game where roles are not revealed upon death, the night kills give you zero information. Wolves cannot generally kill their own, so anyone the wolves kill is not a wolf. We already knew that. So all a night kill does is remove a player from the game, while offering zero information to the village.
There are two ways to gain information in such a game.
1} The Baner successfully banes a target.
2} The Seer finds a Proxy who then passes along information.
That's it. So you're waiting to become part of the fabled network, or you may as well not be playing. There is absolutely no other way to play the game.
Follow-the-Seer games bore me to death, but that's the only possible way to even have a *chance* to win a game like that. And once the Seer died, you'd never learn a single piece of information to help you out again?
Q: Why would I join a game that I knew full well would bore me to death that had an extremely small chance of winning?
A: I wouldn't.
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2011-11-29, 02:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerWhat kind of paranoid mind sees that as something else. ~ The Narrator, during Stranded in Space.
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