Werewolf: Classic XIII

[Deathslayer7]

Not if everyone uses logic. Then people will go "Oh! He has logic! Let me see... wait, this is wrong because of X. My idea is better because of Y."

and how many people actually do that?

[Murska]

and how many people actually do that?

Anyone can, if they bother spending the time and effort to look at things.

[Zar Peter]

Point at Razovor

I don't believe you are a wolf, but it's late, I have to get a point in, RL is interferring and, most of all, I have the feeling that you edited or deleted most of your posts today so I can't defend (or attack) you by quoting them.

[Matthias2207]

Ramsus did ping on my radar, but only really because I'm sure he's not a mason.

? And what is your logic?

[Lady Tialait]

.....wait a second? I'm logical? Sense when?

[Deathslayer7]

Point at Razovor

I don't believe you are a wolf, but it's late, I have to get a point in, RL is interferring and, most of all, I have the feeling that you edited or deleted most of your posts today so I can't defend (or attack) you by quoting them.

ummm no he didn't. I went through and looked for the most part. I don't think he deleted one, though I could be wrong. As for editing, he only edited them minutes after he posted them. Probably for grammar. There's one that was edited eight hours after he posted it but meh that was over 6 hours ago.

[otakuryoga]

Rakkoon's do not belong inside the survival dome

[calar]

? And what is your logic?

He pointed at FC yesterday, making it highly unlikely he's a mason.

[TsukikoJ]

I am a bit alarmed about how quickly people seemed to turn on Razovor. I'm thinking a few clever wolves may have been/are trying to lead a bandwagon on someone in order to protect one of their own from being lynched. I don't see the logic behind the sudden flock to Razovor either. I agree that making an effort to find logic is better than not trying.

I'm taking my point away from Ramsus, but I am going to observe this round a bit more before making another point.

[Lady Tialait]

TsukikoJ for making a good point!

[Zjoot]

He pointed at FC yesterday, making it highly unlikely he's a mason.

Then I think it's worth mentioning that both other bandwagons are also on non-masons. Razovor voted for Eldritch Knight, who was a mason, and FC voted for Rakkoon.

[Reinholdt]

You can have perfect logic and still be wrong deathslayer7. That is the nature of werewolf.

[Internet Flea]

Is it better to use flawed logic, or no logic?

I'd say no logic. The reason being that flawed logic has a much higher chance of creating a bandwagon (as people glancing at it might assume it's sound), so if you know the argument is flawed it's a very bad idea to present it. What's more, you've created a bandwagon that anyone can jump on and hide, so the vote-pattern analysis gets set back.

Far better to vote randomly, and make it obvious, until you find something you think could be worth following up. Usually it takes a few days, but it takes longer when people get distracted by baseless accusations presented as something other than a baseless accusation.

Plus the more times your logic fails, the more likely town will lynch you. (Not applicable to the present case, just for future reference.)

EDIT: Might as well mention last Classic when the Masons led half the early-day bandwagons. Made it a lot harder to find anything on the wolves.

[bladescape]

Allow me to save you the trouble. I'm not a wolf. Are you a wolf?

Also, you spelt my name wrong.

Sorry about the name...>.>;
And as for the other quote. I know I'm not a wolf, so I'm going to say no, I'm not a wolf. But the question is, why ask a question you can't trust the answer for? Either of us could be wolves, you know, and neither of us would admit to it that easily.

I am a bit alarmed about how quickly people seemed to turn on Razovor. I'm thinking a few clever wolves may have been/are trying to lead a bandwagon on someone in order to protect one of their own from being lynched. I don't see the logic behind the sudden flock to Razovor either. I agree that making an effort to find logic is better than not trying.

I'm taking my point away from Ramsus, but I am going to observe this round a bit more before making another point.

I thought Razovor suspicious, but I find the wagon with me more suspicious...>.< Damn. I have several locks on wolf-to-wolf activity, but there's too many to be just wolves. The Mason's are mucking up my wolf radar.... I just don't know which are which ATM.

I'd say no logic. The reason being that flawed logic has a much higher chance of creating a bandwagon (as people glancing at it might assume it's sound), so if you know the argument is flawed it's a very bad idea to present it. What's more, you've created a bandwagon that anyone can jump on and hide, so the vote-pattern analysis gets set back.

Far better to vote randomly, and make it obvious, until you find something you think could be worth following up. Usually it takes a few days, but it takes longer when people get distracted by baseless accusations presented as something other than a baseless accusation.

I agree with this.

[Murska]

Obviously if you know your logic is flawed, you shouldn't use it.

[TigerFang]

It's just the second day everything is flawed. There is no sound logic this soon in the game... everybody is grasping at smoke. The chances of a wolf getting lynched on day two are really small.

[smuchmuch]

Seeing as i'm currently far from any reliable internet connection (currrently using a paying acces point. probably won't be able to reaccess internet until Monday late afternoon at best, pelase don'tautolynch me if it turns out to be longer.)
I don't really have time to read thougoughly the thread sadly so i'll votre randomly at Lady Tialait

[Inhuman Bot]

Roses are red
Violets are blue
We'll see what colorRakkoon
is when he's dead
I should've done haiku

[Matthias2207]

It's just the second day everything is flawed. There is no sound logic this soon in the game... everybody is grasping at smoke. The chances of a wolf getting lynched on day two are really small.

Just as small as two masons killed before day two.

[Firemeier]

You can have perfect logic and still be wrong deathslayer7. That is the nature of werewolf.

I call shenanigans on Reinholdt.

Although it's true: presenting logic too early is dangerous. Last time I tried that, it got me killed the next day.

[Bobby Archer]

Don't see a bandwagon I really believe in, so I'll throw a vote away on TigerFang (out of town right now, so RP later).

[Rules Lawyer #1]

*sips coffee in the new Safe Cafe "conveniently located as far from the door as physically possible"*
*reads holovid*
*spews coffee all offer holovid*
Two masons?!? Dead?!?
*pages through holovid*
"Where's the evidence? Where is it? There doesn't seem to be any!"
*gasp*
"Of course! Nobody dares venture under Mustiado's bed"

…

Ode to Team RA:
RA! RA! RA! Gooooooooo Team!

Everyone says Ra-kkoon's messing up the works
People like to point at Ra-msus (randomly at first)
ra-zovor's suspicious (Goof omitted from the list)
Of all the lame excuses, that one's got me pissed

[TsukikoJ]

This may be my last chance to make a point before the voting period ends, so I'm going to point at Rakkoon.

[Mustiado]

*sips coffee in the new Safe Cafe "conveniently located as far from the door as physically possible"*
*reads holovid*
*spews coffee all offer holovid*
Two masons?!? Dead?!?
*pages through holovid*
"Where's the evidence? Where is it? There doesn't seem to be any!"
*gasp*
"Of course! Nobody dares venture under Mustiado's bed"

…

Ode to Team RA:
RA! RA! RA! Gooooooooo Team!

Everyone says Ra-kkoon's messing up the works
People like to point at Ra-msus (randomly at first)
ra-zovor's suspicious (Goof omitted from the list)
Of all the lame excuses, that one's got me pissed

Wait a minute... Why did we drag my bed into this?

[TFT]

The issue with logic in this game is the fact that, oftentimes, there are a few lines of logic that can be followed and are perfectly reasonable. A person can have perfectly sound logic, follow it, but realize that hey, that one person I thought was a villager could very well be a wolf because of Y, which is as reasonable as X. That's why I hate early game calls for logic, because there's just too many options available at that time.

deathslayer7, because.

[Rules Lawyer #1]

Wait a minute... Why did we drag my bed into this?

Fact 1:
Reinholdt is "reasonably sure" he placed Banjo1985's hat under your bed!
(see post 99)

Fact 2:
No one wants to look under your bed.

Conclusion:
It is "reasonably sure" that Fin's hat is under your bed!

[Qwaz]

Entry from the journal of an unknown female.
(Entries are undated but, as far as we can tell, sequential.)

I had the queerest of dreams last night! There was death and destruction. A plague sweeping across the sanctuary…there’s always the plague. In the dream we, that is to say the whole remaining sanctuary, found our solace in faith! Stranger still it wasn’t a faith practiced in or outside the sanctuary for thousands of years. Somehow the sun rose inside the sanctuary. Taking this as a sign we all began to worship the ancient Egyptian sun-god Ra.

Anyway. Breakfast & shower then off to talk to the rest of the city…I suppose village might be a better name for us now.

You’re not going to believe this! About 60% of the “Village”-yeah sounds about right- dreamed my dream! They talked about Ra-this and Ra-that. Then someone up and said they’d done just this in another game they’d played some months ago…No idea what that meant they just said they were “breaking the 4th wall”?

This soon all lead to people wanting to lynch Ramsus and Rakkoon. Staying calm Ramsus explained people were being ridiculous however another man, Razovor, paniced and ran off to change his name muttering something about Masonic figures having knowledge beyond that of mortal men.

Realising their omission, many undecided turned onto Razovor, chased him down and clapped him in leg-irons. He’s due to be sacrificed to Ra as the sun-sets. I do hope we’ve chosen well.

Summary: Razovor was Lynched. He was a Villager.
Night 2 begins now and ends in about 24 hours.
Please PM all night actions to Qwaz & Lex-kat.

[Please excuse any horrendous self-plugs. It was far too similar to not...just read Day 1!]

[Ramsus]

Aaaah, that was a good one there. Made me laugh a few times. Personally I like the reference. Heck, it might even tell people something. Or perhaps not. Who knows? (I could have used Elan but I really just love the look on Thog's face.)

[Lady Tialait]

Well, that makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised if Ramsus and Rakkoon are also villagers.

[Matthias2207]

The wizard felt a little safer now Razovor was lynched, so he left his basement to get some coffee in the Safe Cafe, after his daily prayer to Ra.
He really hoped the werewolves weren't hungry anymore, after eating Fleeing Coward last night.