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2012-07-25, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Relationship Woes and Advice 22: In Which Two Problems Prevent Each Others' Solut
If you're open to help from female friends and as they say, they do say that you're such a great guy then give them this line:
''Well if I'm so awesome, you can help me get a nice girl to realise this and be my girlfriend'' or some variation of it.
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2012-07-25, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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That not only makes sense I did it months ago. It also led to me spending enough time away from her to know the effects of breaking all contact I mentioned above. And she started to get professional therapy at that point. It was followed by a push by her family to get her in live in help. She is getting AA, Therapy, Drugs, and Sober Living. The problem is it is not working, probably because she doesn't in her gut want to stop drinking. I know I can't fix her. I'm not really looking to fix her anymore. I'm looking for a way to emotionally insulate myself from the effects of her behavior until she does reach the point when she is ready to change.
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2012-07-25, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-25, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-25, 05:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-26, 07:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Relationship Woes and Advice 22: In Which Two Problems Prevent Each Others' Solut
That is .... surprising. Even here where there's a massive hookup culture I only know of a few single guys. Maybe it's just the crowd I hang out with. I assume you've tried talking to said guys about the situation. If they're not stopping, about the only thing you can do is start ignoring/avoiding them. Don't respond to them if they're being flirty. Nothing kills a mood faster than a girl who just responds coldly. Good luck!
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2012-07-26, 12:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Relationship Woes and Advice 22: In Which Two Problems Prevent Each Others' Solut
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2012-07-26, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Relationship Woes and Advice 22: In Which Two Problems Prevent Each Others' Solut
Ohhh, that kind of thing. Well, being me I rarely have an issue with being flirted with, or hit on, or any of that mess, but I would suspect that continued non-flirtation and purely friendly behavior might overcome that. If they don't cool down, then I say they're not worth being friends with anyways and stick to the ones you have. Friends understand when a person isn't interested in being a romantic partner. I honestly don't understand the mindset that these guys apparently have, though, since I'm probably the least flirtatious guy in existence, but I hope things work out for you! What part of the country are you in?
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2012-07-26, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Relationship Woes and Advice 22: In Which Two Problems Prevent Each Others' Solut
Kitty: That's unfortunately an issue I see with a lot of nerdy/techy girls. Their nerdy/techy (overwhelmingly male) peers will alternately see them as something totally alien and something totally alien with boobs, neither of which eases interaction between people who are already, let's say, idiosyncratic.
Unfortunately, the only option you have available personally would involve exploring non-nerdy spaces. Which is a large investment of time and energy when you've already said that those are two things you're short on, not to mention that figuring out the mores for a whole new subculture sounds like it would be more stress than you'd get out of it. But all the other solutions run into the problem that, until a significant number of your male peers stop being spooked around girls, they'll alternately ignore you and be awkward around you. And if I had a magic formula to make nerdy boys stop being spooked around women, I'd be making mad bank off of it instead of hanging around internet forums.Last edited by Reluctance; 2012-07-26 at 02:52 PM. Reason: fixing tags
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2012-07-27, 09:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-27, 10:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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I believe the magic formula is simply more exposure to women. That's half the reason they're awkward in the first place,I think, because a lot of the girls in their early life wanted to hang out with the jocks and other popular guys, so they get left behind pretty quickly. I really don't know how or why society expects guys to learn to interact maturely with girls if they have no exposure to them. I, for one, never really had all that many interactions with girls (well, anyone of either sex, actually) in my early life, and I think it's severely crippled my ability to attract one and interact with them in my later life.
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2012-07-27, 11:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe I've just been hanging around particularly well-socialised nerds (or the not so well-socialised ones are just generally awkward around everybody), but in my experience the geeky ones are the ones more likely to treat me as a human being they're interested in engaging with. It's the rest who're more likely to see me as boobs on legs.
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2012-07-27, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Relationship Woes and Advice 22: In Which Two Problems Prevent Each Others' Solut
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Let me spell this out, for the umpteenth time in this thread.
Nice girls will put their heads together, and try to put together tricks to help you work on your courage and skills beyond simply repeating "women are people!" ad nauseum. They'll do this in their own way, in their own time. Because just because they like helping people does not mean they don't have a whole rest of their life as well.
Nice girls will not, and should not be expected to, take one for the team. They will not date someone they're not attracted to, as an investment on the off chance that it helps him get his **** together. Not unless they're professionals, and someone's paying them for a longer term role.
I can tell you, Sholos, to try getting involved in an activity where you deal with people on a regular basis so that you're forced to develop social skills outside of your main circle. (Dancing and acting sound good, off the top of my head.) I can try to think of ways to get the unfortunately unwashed nerd masses to get out of their shells and learn about hygiene. But effecting change to the degree that girls like Kitty aren't treated like sideshow freaks by their peers is beyond my three pounds of brain meat at the moment.
This is just my experience, but pretty much every girl I've met in a tech-type field has complained, not about active misogyny, but about how the spectrum-types around her saw her as something completely other. What did you study? There's a difference between gaming events (where you're unlikely to even be invited by that sort of person), and school/work events where otherwise asocial people are forced to interact.Last edited by Reluctance; 2012-07-27 at 11:11 AM. Reason: Added further reply
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2012-07-27, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Bachelor of Arts and Science. My geeky friends were doing everything from pure mathematics to science to journalism to theatre to law to history. Most of them played D&D and/or Magic or Yugioh and were gamers, which is how I knew a lot of them. No IT people, which could be significant, except Kitty's in philosophy.
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2012-07-27, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-27, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Relationship Woes and Advice 22: In Which Two Problems Prevent Each Others' Solut
I'm actually not sure if this is a geek problem so much as a social problem. Society has focused on finding "the one" as the key to happiness. If you're not partnered you are expected to be sad and bitter about it, because you couldn't possibly be enjoying friendships outside of a romantic relationship. Conversely, friendships are often seen as second best - listen to some of the "friendzone" nonsense for a good demonstration of this.
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2012-07-27, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-27, 02:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Relationship Woes and Advice 22: In Which Two Problems Prevent Each Others' Solut
SpoilerA lot of friendzoning is, basically, rejection sucking. A lot more is how most friendzoning is relationship taking with no giving, and why I encourage guys in that sort of "friendship" to nut up, move on, and find someone actually interested in them.
Friendzoning aside, there's graceful flirting where the person drops the point when it's clear that they're not being reciprocated. When both sides understand that friendship involves meeting halfway, female friends are handy and awesome even if nothing directly comes of it. (There's a reason one of my pointers to the eternally lovelorn guys around here is "get to have female friends who will give you fashion pointers and a female POV". Real friends are the ones who'll give you tips instead of empty cliches, while the process forces said dudes to learn how to interact normally with women.)
The issue, at least as I read it from the fact that it's become an issue, is that people are being heavy-handed about it and not taking a hint. In which case, there are only two options; find another social circle, or get everybody in the current one to improve. My position is that, since the first option is a lot of effort and stress, it's worth thinking how to make option two more viable 5-10 years down the line.
I mean, there are ways to get guys to knock it off. Solving the immediate issue (guys make passes at me all the time) doesn't do much about the fundamental issue (feeling the need to make more friends).
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2012-07-27, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Relationship Woes and Advice 22: In Which Two Problems Prevent Each Others' Solut
Did I say dating? I don't remember saying dating. Please point out where I said dating. What I remember saying was exposure. You know, geeky guys being seen as human and not the plague. But since school tells us that it's not cool to be seen around the non-jocks, the problem is going to continue. Especially when the only guys that geeky guys see getting and hanging out with girls are the jocks and the jerks.
And if what you say is true, then I never knew any nice girls. At least, not ones interested in helping me. Every girl I know just says she doesn't know what to do for me, or tells me to just "wait for things to happen".
I can tell you, Sholos, to try getting involved in an activity where you deal with people on a regular basis so that you're forced to develop social skills outside of your main circle. (Dancing and acting sound good, off the top of my head.) I can try to think of ways to get the unfortunately unwashed nerd masses to get out of their shells and learn about hygiene. But effecting change to the degree that girls like Kitty aren't treated like sideshow freaks by their peers is beyond my three pounds of brain meat at the moment.
Well then I guess I've pretty much been friendless my whole life. Not that I really thought any differently. The only advice I've gotten so far is "stop caring about it and it'll happen". Which... is less than helpful. Oh, and, "You can find someone at work." Because that's a wonderful idea.Tali avatar by the talented Thormag.
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2012-07-27, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've always been a geek and I never had trouble socialising in high school or college. (And mind you, I have Asperger's.) Just find cool people and forget those pricks. But that involves actually finding people and not just hoping people will show up.
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2012-07-27, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Are you sure this is actually true, or are you interpreting their actions as such? For instance, I am a flirty person in RL (though not over computers) and tend to think of it as a way to dodge my dreaded enemy (banal small talk). If we met I might flirt with you just so I don't have to start talking about some banal topic (weather, football games, CoD, etc).
Flirting isn't necessarily about seeing the other person as a potential partner, it can simply be a form of shallow communication that tends to happen before deeper discussions can. Or at least that is my experience.
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2012-07-27, 07:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Relationship Woes and Advice 22: In Which Two Problems Prevent Each Others' Solut
What, specifically, are your areas of interest? For this, "video games" is WAY too broad; do you like a specific genre of game (RTS, FPS, RPG, MMO, etc), a specific game (Sims, Civ, WoW, Diablo, etc)? Board games? What type of board games? Euro-style co-op type games (Pandemic, Ticket to Ride, Settlers of Catan, etc), more traditional board games (chess, checkers, etc), American-style head-to-head games (Monopoly, Risk, etc)? Reading? What genre/author/book?
Hopefully that gives you the type of specifics that might help us give you ideas of where/how to look. Whether you're in a major city, college town, or more rural area may influence things as well.
For me, the major interests that I have used to find people I like hanging out with include chemistry (work, essentially), soccer, Euro-style board games, and D&D 3.x/PF. I have made friends and/or improved friendships with all of these as catalysts. After that initial connection, it's just a matter of finding out if there's an ability to maintain something. Unsurprisingly, I've met a LOT of people who I either didn't connect with, or actively want to avoid seeing again in all of those areas, as well.
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2012-07-27, 07:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-27, 09:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Relationship Woes and Advice 22: In Which Two Problems Prevent Each Others' Solut
It's harder once your past school ages, since everybody is full up on Grown Up responsibilities and there are fewer forces pushing you all together. Many of the meat market-y options are downright darwinian, too, and not recommended for newbies. Still, various volunteer and similar opportunities present themselves. (Any geek worth the name should be aware of these, as well as various meetup events for online communities.)
Point being, it does boil down to forcing yourself out of your comfort zone. And then working to position yourself such that luck can work in your favor.
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2012-07-27, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-28, 12:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-29, 12:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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I have to ask God to remake me everyday. Every night I break into a thousand pieces like a shattered mirror.
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2012-07-29, 01:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Geeze Amin, what's up?
So I think my ex took a jab at me over Facebook. Right when I was thinking I'd try to say hello, and need to talk to him about how I'll be back in Australia soon and'll have to get my stuff and my cat back.
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2012-07-29, 01:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's like. . . my mood never changes. :/
Well it does. It's more like 4 or 5 shades of black or grey and never something very bright and happy. It can get pretty dark in my mind, and it's not often that happy. I'd like to have some kind of positive emotion other than just "A little bit more than content."
What's kind of more than that is I feel, well, broken. Can I really feel any better than just like life's going down the tube?
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2012-07-29, 01:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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This is RWA. General life stuff is a separate thread. I mean, you're welcome to vent here, but we'll think it's about the guy/girl of your dreams.
As for your issue, it sounds like you need professional help. Quite possibly meds. We're not allowed to give advice on this scale here beyond "go see a professional", and even if we were, I wouldn't know where to start.
Serp: Mutual friends are magical. Have a few go to pick up your stuff before you get back, under the excuse that it'll let you feel all comfy and settled in when you actually do get home.
If the two of you lack mutual friends, have some neutral friends try the same trick. The key point here is that, if it seems like feelings are bristly, keeping distance is good.