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Thread: Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition
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2012-07-30, 10:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-31, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Lots and lots of conversations, yes. For starters, whether Fuller in Candlekeep gives you a few coins and a tongue-lashing, or a +1 dagger and "Gorion didn't raise you half bad" for bringing him a quiver of crossbow bolts.
The sorcerer's spells are technically dependent on no stat, though the game says "Intelligence."Last edited by Kish; 2012-07-31 at 08:25 AM.
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2012-07-31, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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I always thought that was based on your reputation (or alignment, since that's the only thing affecting rep at that point).
Also hope that sorc casting gets tied to CHA as intended. They're supposed to have more slots to make up for the extremely limited spell selection, after all.
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2012-07-31, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, the BG2 Tweaks pack actually fixed that:
http://www.gibberlings3.net/readmes/...ks_tables.html
Of course, by the time you can cast Chromatic Orb or Magic Missile eight times, you'll already need a much bigger boat. :)
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2012-07-31, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Cart before horse. Your reputation gives you a bonus or penalty to reaction checks. If your Charisma is just on the edge between two results, then the reaction you get will be different depending on whether your reputation is 8 or 12. But if your Charisma is 3, everyone who is making a reaction check will hate you whatever your reputation is.
(Which is not to say there aren't separate pure-reputation checks in the game: Jaheira's response to Elminster asking whether she was right to stand with you, for example.)
They're supposed to have more slots to make up for the extremely limited spell selection, after all.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2012-07-31, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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At the heart of all beauty lies something inhuman, and these hills, the softness of the sky, the outline of the trees at this very minute lose the illusory meaning with which we clothed them, henceforth more remote than a lost paradise.
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2012-07-31, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Unless you, you know, don't want to commit one of your personal fingers to that ring at all times.
Or want to import your character from BG1 (without cheating). Or--gasp!--don't want to metagame. Or want a Charisma higher than 18.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2012-07-31, 02:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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What are you talking about? The whole point of BG is to spend ages rolling ridiculously high stats so you can better min-max your build which is designed around in-depth knowledge of what items are coming up. I mean honestly, next you'll be saying killing Drizz't for his stuff isn't standard policy
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2012-07-31, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Which pretty much never occurs unless your Charisma is 18 straight up. I kind of don't understand why it seems that 18 Charisma is the only time Charisma actually makes sense -- but on the other hand, with players rigging their characters to have 18 in everything (or at least all the important stats...), that's not a big deal, I guess.
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2012-07-31, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh my lord did I not have time for that. There's something to be said for the modern approach of "Okay, you have 20 character points, go to it." Who has time to click the "Reroll" button for half an hour until the stats are somehow remotely adequate for your character? I mean, it wouldn't be a big deal in games that level up like Diablo, where you can actually change your stats - but the times those numbers actually go up (or down) on a permanent basis can be counted on one hand.
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2012-07-31, 08:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you're willing to cheat, it's much simpler and quicker to google Sword Coast Keeper.
I suspect "remotely adequate" is very much a factor of what you can get for a character. I doubt very much you could get stats in Neverwinter Nights that would be nearly as good as what you could typically get with just a few minutes of rolling in Baldur's Gate, but because you know that investing five more minutes would get you better stats, what would be very good stats in NWN is not "remotely adequate for your character."Last edited by Kish; 2012-07-31 at 09:35 PM.
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2012-08-07, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not exactly. NWN's Point-Buy system gives you enough points for 13s across the board, although diminishing returns mean that's the best you can get. That's actually a "remotely adequate" point total for BG, you often get much lower point totals than that using the dice rolls.
Of course NWN was (in theory) balanced with the point buy system in mind, with high ability scores actually being rare. Whether that is the case or not (especially when using Epic rules) is a matter of debate.
But BG is balanced on the assumption that an 18 or two isn't all that hard to get with a lot of patience and little min-maxing (or was that the other way around?). Average scores are absolutely meaningless (you don't get bonuses in most cases until 15).Spoiler: My inventory:
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Originally Posted by Kairos Theodosian
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2012-08-08, 10:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-08, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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...to dual-class. And between Baldur's Gate 1 and Baldur's Gate 2, the number of dual-classed characters is three (3): Imoen, who is the main NPC, Nalia, who has the same Intelligence and Dexterity as Imoen, and Anomen, who does not in fact meet the Wisdom requirements for his dual-class.
So no. That is not why almost all the characters in the Baldur's Gate games have very high stats.Last edited by Kish; 2012-08-08 at 01:47 PM. Reason: Missed Nalia initially
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2012-08-08, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, the major reason to have a bard in the party is to use lore to identify magic items, which means he needs high scores in both int and wis, and cha is his primary attribute, and he's dependent on dex, and needs con to be able to survive the hits he can't avoid... Bards have mad MAD. And if you need to have 5 high scores to be useful as a bard, it's only fair to let other NPCs have high scores in all of their stats. And then there's the fact that a lot of items have minimum stat requirements. For example, Viconia can't wear plate mail without a strength-enhancing item of some kind.
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2012-08-08, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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While it is not as easily refuted as the idea that the NPCs have super-high stats because of tons of dual-classes...I don't think it's because someone at Black Isle said, "We're going to have to give all of them stats good enough to be good bards!" either. And "One of the NPCs is unable to wear the heaviest armor her class can wear" seems to be an argument against what you're using it as an argument for.
In fact, I'm pretty sure it was a matter of, "We're going to give most of them very high stats just because we want them to have very high stats." Maybe it was meant to be a disincentive to create full multiplayer parties and ignore all the NPCs and their attendant plot. Either way, if it takes you half an hour to get stats for your PC that are "remotely adequate" by NWN standards, you're having truly terrible luck.Last edited by Kish; 2012-08-08 at 12:30 PM.
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2012-08-08, 12:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's mostly in BG2, of course. If you load some of the tweak packs for the Baldur's Gate Trilogy, there's an option to give BG1 npcs their BG2 stats. Every change is for the better - most returning NPCs got a stat boost.
I always figured it came from two parts:
1) Only allies with good stats got played in BG1. Who took Tiax or Quayle seriously?
2) BG1 was a story about an orphan at war with a brother from another mother. BG2 was the story of a demigod of murder trying to confront a demigod of ham. It is epic in every respect, with dragons and dead gods and demons and drow and Jim Cummings and David Warner. It's big.
And, as with Mass Effect, the difference between 1 and 2 is that party for the first game was just the misfits you ran across, while the party for the second game are the elites - some of the most veteran and talented adventurers you run across. You're running with the big boys, now, the ones with the natural advantage - and that means better stats.Spoiler: My inventory:
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Originally Posted by Kairos Theodosian
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2012-08-08, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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I stand corrected.
Still not the reason for the high stats.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2012-08-09, 10:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Has anyone preordered the game yet? I want to know how preloading works...
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