Actually another thing- why does she look human? I mean, the Gunnerkriggverse seems to follow evolutionary theory, so why does she look like something that for 99% of her existence doesn't exist?
...okay I need to stop over thinking this.
My pet theories on that are that Jones doesn't necessarily look like she looks. Rather that:
1) Jones looks as the viewer's mind perceives her.
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2) Jones appears as she chooses. The comic is demonstrating Jones with the form we are familiar with to make it easier for us to understand, rather than trying to explain to us that each previous form was also Jones.
I personally prefer Theory 2.
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My pet theories on that are that Jones doesn't necessarily look like she looks. Rather that:
1) Jones looks as the viewer's mind perceives her.
OR
2) Jones appears as she chooses. The comic is demonstrating Jones with the form we are familiar with to make it easier for us to understand, rather than trying to explain to us that each previous form was also Jones.
I personally prefer Theory 2.
If she could choose what form she appears in, why would she have been "found out" in the late 19th/early 20th century?
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If she could choose what form she appears in, why would she have been "found out" in the late 19th/early 20th century?
She can decide what she looks like, but at some point she's sort of stuck. She decides to look like a human. Something happens to her that should kill a human that bounces off of her. How does changing shape deal with that after the fact?
NOTE: I don't actually subscribe to the appearance-changing theory.
She can decide what she looks like, but at some point she's sort of stuck. She decides to look like a human. Something happens to her that should kill a human that bounces off of her. How does changing shape deal with that after the fact?
NOTE: I don't actually subscribe to the appearance-changing theory.
You fake an injury, pretend to die, get buried, and then dig yourself out, moving to a different area and/or, especially in more modern times, change your appearance.
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Now that I think about it, that arrest scene is a bit odd. After millions of years she must know that her appearance doesn't change and that this is very unusual for normal humans. Why is she just waiting around to be caught?
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Now that I think about it, that arrest scene is a bit odd. After millions of years she must know that her appearance doesn't change and that this is very unusual for normal humans. Why is she just waiting around to be caught?
Presumably, she just didn't care.
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That's another thing, as far as I know Jones' goals haven't been described to us. What I can see is that she seems to get attached to certain individuals such as Lord Samuel(?), the factory owner, and now Eglamore.
Does she have an endgame? Or is she just living her (immortal) life as she fancies.
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You fake an injury, pretend to die, get buried, and then dig yourself out, moving to a different area and/or, especially in more modern times, change your appearance.
Well yes, she could do all of that. However, faking the injury, playing dead, being buried, etc. It's all just a show to get to the part where you move to somewhere where the people won't know you aren't normal.
If the people can't kill you (and they clearly can't) and you can walk further than the reach of your reputation as 'a devil' within a week or so (simple for an apparently invincible being in Medieval times) why bother with the act?
The end result is the same either way, Jones moves to another place where nobody knows her. If she scares the hell out of the townsfolk rather than letting them think they won, is that necessarily even a bad thing?
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Trade has existed for as long as, or longer than, recorded history. And where people get together to trade, they also swap information, gossip.
Tales of a blond witch who can take a spear to the guts or some other injury would spread quickly, especially by her standards.
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Trade has existed for as long as, or longer than, recorded history. And where people get together to trade, they also swap information, gossip.
Tales of a blond witch who can take a spear to the guts or some other injury would spread quickly, especially by her standards.
Sure the tale of a blond witch who can take a spear to the gut would spread. But without anyone seeing her survive something that should kill her, she's just another blonde woman as long as nobody from the old town catches up with her. Anyway, assuming my Theory 2 was correct, she would have changed her appearance shortly after the guard failed to stab her to death. She just felt that busting the spear and walking away was the more expedient path to finding a new place than feigning death.
HOWEVER, I just did a bit of an archive binge and found some more convincing evidence that I am wrong. The Langdon Estate. If she can alter her appearance on even a human-age scale, she clearly would have had no trouble pretending to be old, thus allowing herself to keep the Langdon Estate and avoid being arrested as an imposter. THAT, I can't explain. Theory 2 executed.
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Sure the tale of a blond witch who can take a spear to the gut would spread. But without anyone seeing her survive something that should kill her, she's just another blonde woman as long as nobody from the old town catches up with her. Anyway, assuming my Theory 2 was correct, she would have changed her appearance shortly after the guard failed to stab her to death. She just felt that busting the spear and walking away was the more expedient path to finding a new place than feigning death.
Perhaps, but the incidents shown would hardly be the only only incidents.
Also, even in many parts of parts of Europe in a per-industrial state, a blond woman would be worthy of mention, and how much more so outside of Europe.
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HOWEVER, I just did a bit of an archive binge and found some more convincing evidence that I am wrong. The Langdon Estate. If she can alter her appearance on even a human-age scale, she clearly would have had no trouble pretending to be old, thus allowing herself to keep the Langdon Estate and avoid being arrested as an imposter. THAT, I can't explain. Theory 2 executed.
Which is exactly the page I linked to when I first raised my objection to that theory in post #722.
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Which is exactly the page I linked to when I first raised my objection to that theory in post #722.
Well. Now I'm terribly embarrassed. Somehow I was sure that link said the 15th century and went to her getting stabbed in the Middle Ages. I really need to stop trying to make logical arguments after midnight. My apologies.
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A thought has occurred to me regarding Jones in the Silurian. We know how strong she is. Even with bad leverage she should be able to break her head at least free. So I wonder
A) Did she just wake up? or
B) Being Jones, is she content to just watch and not move? or
C) Is she growing out of the rock and not complete yet? or
D) Does her strength grow over time and she's pretty weak in this scene? or
E) Something else?
I suspect E...
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Now that I think about it, that arrest scene is a bit odd. After millions of years she must know that her appearance doesn't change and that this is very unusual for normal humans. Why is she just waiting around to be caught?
She might have been using the money and power of the estate to try to accomplish something. In such a case, sticking around as long as possible, even if it led to her getting caught, would be logical.
(I wonder what happened with the police. If they put her in the back of a Black Maria to take her to the police station, she could have just forced the door open in transit, jumped out, and vanished into the crowds... I doubt she'd allow them to get her to the station and start asking questions, as that would cause problems... And it's not like she could allow herself to be imprisoned, either, at least for very long, as someone would notice she wasn't aging...)
Now that I think about it, that arrest scene is a bit odd. After millions of years she must know that her appearance doesn't change and that this is very unusual for normal humans. Why is she just waiting around to be caught?
Probably perspective. When you're durable enough to sit under the ocean for millions of years, walk on top of a glacier, take an aurochs to the face, and take a spear to the gut, being arrested probably isn't that much of a hindrance.
It'd be like you or I being told to go and sit in a corner for 60 seconds, if that.
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Well. Now I'm terribly embarrassed. Somehow I was sure that link said the 15th century and went to her getting stabbed in the Middle Ages. I really need to stop trying to make logical arguments after midnight. My apologies.
No problem.
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Her hair is either growing from the rock or coming from the rock.
If Jones were caught in a lava flow, strands of her hair might wind up stretching out a distance from her head as the rock solidified. Then as eons wore the rock away, the tips of the hair would slowly emerge...
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Um?
No really, I have no idea what you mean by that.
They are referring to the Doctor's (of Doctor Who fame) time machine, the TARDIS, which is supposed to be able to camouflage itself, but got stuck in the shape of the now iconic blue police box.
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TARDISes are equipped with a special device called a Chameleon Circuit, which camouflages them to match their surroundings.
The Doctor's TARDIS, however, got stuck on "Police Box" due to a malfunction.
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I knew the TARDIS was the Doctor's vehicle, I just didn't realize there was any disguising involved.
And it doesn't quite match what I meant. What I meant was that while she could change her appearance, it wouldn't help with the situation of being thought of as a demon.
I'm calling it: Jones is the dense object around which stellar dust accumulated, leading to the eventual formation of Earth.
Where she came from before that is anyone's guess.
But then why would she be close enough to the surface to be unearthed during the Silurian period? Dust gathering around her to form the Earth would by necessity put her at the center of the Earth. Unless she deliberately moved away from the core, in which case the first thing we saw of her during the Silurian period should have been her hand, not her face.
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