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Thread: Worst Prerequisites
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2012-01-07, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Worst Prerequisites
well, seeing as ranger 3 would get you the endurance feat horizon walker wants, I'd imaging the intent was for HW to be primarily a ranger prc; rangers can probably spare the skill points, even if it isn't very useful to them. and lots of prcs have reqs which work only fluffwise. dimension door is probably a lot cooler than whatever skill you would have used those points on anyway, so.
nicely enough, ranger 3 leaves exactly two levels before entering horizon walker.
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2012-01-07, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, Human Paragon and/or Factotum Dip/Able Learner get around skill reqs quite handily - but they also may not fit with your character concept, or cost you levels in another class that you really want or need.
Also, two of those options are Human only, so they can be a little restrictive.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2012-01-07, 08:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Worst Prerequisites
Human is the opposite of restrictive. Whats wrong with skills and feats to meat trick prereqs? Unless you have a race restricted class, in which case you have more problems then you want to admit.
Human Paragon gives 2/3 casting progression, custom class skills, gives trailing class skills (Or is that Able Learner), ability points, and another feat. If you would have to do something much more obtuse to get into the class otherwise, this is the best option.
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2012-01-07, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-08, 03:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-08, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-09, 03:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-09, 08:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-09, 11:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-09, 11:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Worst Prerequisites
Some prerequisites just seem like obstacles to discourage absolutely everyone from dipping into the prestige class. "Hold on, I have to have Toughness, Maximize Spell, Far Shot, Mobility, Exotic Weapon Proficiency, AND Vow of Poverty, and then I have to defeat a flamingo using solely nonlethal damage?"
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2012-01-09, 11:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-10, 12:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-10, 02:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-14, 08:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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6 pages and no mention?
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2012-01-14, 09:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Didn't some FR book mention being able to meet racial prereqs using a few skill points in knowledge local or something similar?
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2012-01-14, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not for racial pre-requesites, for [regional] feats you could take 2 (I think) skill ranks in say Knowledge Local (Rashemen) and be able to take feats from that region like Battle Jump; but sadly Player's Guide to Faerûn (I think) overuled that and because it is a 3.5 update it takes precedence.
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2012-01-14, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-14, 10:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-15, 01:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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there were in 3.0, you'd need knowledge (local) (thay) or wherever. in 3.5, you just need knowledge (local) and it'll work wherever you are, even somewhere you've never been before. it indeed makes no sense, but it's a lot more logical from a game design perspective. why would a player buy ranks in knowledge for 1 community when so much of the game assumes you'll travel around? short answer is they wouldn't, so make local useful or everywhere.
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2012-01-15, 02:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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I am sorry if someone already posted this one but => I loath Ur-Priest Pre-reqs... The way I read it => you need 32 skill points spent across 5 class skills, Iron Will & SpellFocus[Evil] & base +3 Fort/Will
I know a surefire way to kick ass with it [Savage bard=>Ur=>Theurge], but...
One of my players loved an Ur-Priest Concept. But since he was new, I didn't want to hand him virtually the single most powerful character in current party and tell him to go to town... So I was trying to find a balanced Ur-Priest entry...
Since being a fallen cleric is terribly crippling beyond reason, and Dual Bard-Cleric is Terrifying, finding middle ground lead me to THIS permutation=>
Marshal 5/Ur-Priest 5 ... as a *Drum roll* Jaebrin(p.92 in MMV)... They get a Spell Craft as class skill and other stuff. It took me 4 hours at least to make this combo... Result was actually surprisingly in exact middle of a power curve
Other way included same but Human with Skill Knowledge for the blasted Spell Craft, a Monk/warlock(or Able Factotum) permutation, Dusk Blade & i forget but some kind of outsider... End rant. ^^Last edited by Red_Dog; 2012-01-15 at 02:30 AM.
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2012-01-15, 02:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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I like entering as a human monk2/swashbuckler3. you have almost all the salient skills and keeper of the forbidden lore takes care of the rest. monk gives your wis to AC from now on (and stunning fist if anyone gets too close) swashbuckler lets you dump str for those early levels where you're a mere mortal and makes it easier for you to land a hit on someone with your mitts, and it frees up more points for int so you can enjoy insightful strike making your punches hurt more (natural weapons = light weapons) and give you plenty of skill points to fulfill the ridiculous prereqs for UP. when you're done, it'll look something like:
monk2/swash3/ur-priest10/hierophant5
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2012-01-15, 02:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Good build, but as usual => Where is spell-craft coming from? Needs to be Human and Burn feat Skill Knowledge [Spell Craft]. Otherwise solid balanced Ur-Priest that won't send a DM into blind rage ^^
Spell Craft btw was a single most annoying thing that good potential candidates just didn't have. Warlock had EVERYTHING, but didn't have a fort save >_>, Dusk-blade didn't have Bluff (fighter[thung] could solve that I guess)Last edited by Red_Dog; 2012-01-15 at 02:49 AM.
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2012-01-15, 03:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-15, 03:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-15, 03:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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In 3.5 it's supposed to reflect how quickly you are able to absorb new knowledge about a location and how good you are about finding out things. I really think that should be rolled into gather information but then again if I designed 3.5 a lot of things would have been different.
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2012-01-15, 03:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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My bad, But that still means you need to be Human ... >_> Not that I hate humans. I love them, but it gets boring for characters some times ^^
Also => Mindbender combo is lvl 6... Was trying to get in by lvl 5. ^^
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