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2014-01-22, 08:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
Appropriate responses from third parties in social situations would do more to reduce rape than any reasonable change in victim behavior would. Asking bystanders to be more aware of the warning signs is certainly more effective than either telling women not to "ask for it" or telling men to "just not rape."
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2014-01-22, 10:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
As always: Do not be a hero. Do not attempt to fight a violent criminal. If you suspect something is happening call the police. Attempting to do act yourself is liable to get you killed.
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2014-01-22, 10:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-01-22, 11:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah there are lots of situations where whether things escalate into violence or not can really be dependent on whether other people decide to step in or just be standbyers. Lots of people won't even call the police cause they assume someone else will.
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2014-01-23, 02:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
Actually it is. It is based in the exact same mentality.
Not to bring politics in, but it definitely depends on country and crime.
A rapist in Sweden will very VERY likely be completely unarmed.
Also, as mentioned above, if bystanders would pay attention before the actual act...Last edited by Avilan the Grey; 2014-01-23 at 02:09 AM.
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2014-01-23, 02:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-01-23, 02:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
...But what if the perpetrators are the police? What do you do then?
Also, most rapists are not "Violent Criminals" of the murder/brutal assault types. The easiest way to avoid the most common form of rape is to have someone sober watch out for you when you go drinking, and watch out for others who have been drinking.Last edited by Scow2; 2014-01-23 at 02:28 AM.
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2014-01-23, 02:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
Gasp! A chance to poke fun at the commodore?! It is my birthday! :D
Technically, you'd maintain whatever gender identity you had prior, because the entire point of it as a mental thing is it can and often (occasionally?) is separate from physical sex entirely. You would have to have been noticeably agender before the spirit binding, else you'd simply maintain the forward momentum of basic paychological inertia. Sans, you know, complex military brainwashing.
I cite the existence of Hopereaver. :3
What? What kind of fights have you been having? That's not what an argument is supposed to be at all. :?
But this tangent stems directly from and frequently re-references the original thread intention. It's not off topic, the topic is just bigger and hotter than you imagined going in.
I dunno, I think "other people have already learned this so you don't have to" is a bad idea.
The brick thing was to address a specific interfacing issue. Mostly that the responses by one party were correct but didn't actually address the queries of the other party, which leaves the second party either waiting for answers before moving on to the statements or else deciding the other person doesn't have an answer and so their stance must be invalid.
As someone who just read a Stripper FAQ and has experience in the retail and food industry... Once you bring employment and money into the equation it generally does start dehumanizing people. Rather than employing women to make sure men have fun (There are lots of women who are miffed about not having pleasant experiences with males as well), it would probably be better to... well, we'll have to completely overhaul the entire culture, and it sounds more like a job for Matchmakers.
Good points.
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2014-01-23, 03:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-01-23, 04:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
While part of the discussion is still relevant I think the most recent drift into rape culture is pretty far from the original topic.... unless female players have a tendency to play rapists
On topic: my best (female) friend also tends to play male characters if not all the time quite often. While I never explicitly asked her I think it is because she likes big, beefy, bearded men. So, yeah, another case where eye candy can work for women as well.
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2014-01-23, 04:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
I was being slightly lack-of-tongue-in-lack-of-cheek... The general thrust of that comment was that I'm not a man (since I'm not a male human), nor a woman (since I'm neither human nor female), so I was equally unqualfied to address the OT. I am a male Lich, though, as was noted with Hopereaver, it matters little enough that I don't really even think of myself as other than A Lich.
Actually, if we want to get to brass tacks, as I have observed before, I was never human, even when I was physically human; not up here *taps skull*, where it matters.Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2014-01-23 at 06:47 AM.
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2014-01-23, 06:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-01-23, 07:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Saw this in The Guardian and may be of interest to the thread:
http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...ut-transgender
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2014-01-23, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not to belittle the problems of trans people I still think it's not the best way action... Yeah, it kind of helps but then one builds ones new identity on a lie if you pretend to ones online friends to be (fe)male. Of course, people should be cool about whatever sex one has but if a relationship is based on a lie I can see why people would feel betrayed and maybe react more harshly upon learning the truth than if one would be honest from the start...
Then again if one can handle such problems... yeah, I guess you can use an online identity (I guess an MMO is not really required) to test how it feels to be of the other sex.
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2014-01-23, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
Aaaaand in light of this thread, that last episode with Brock and Totodile of my Pokemon re-watch (Love Totodile Style) suddenly seems a lot more awkward...
Damn you humans, is there anything you can't suck the fun out of...?
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2014-01-23, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-01-23, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
These statistics suggest that it is relatively common, with 47% of cases occurring when both victim and perpetrator had been drinking, and 38% of cases occurring between a victim and a "friend/acquaintance" of the victim rather than an "intimate" or "stranger". True, the majority of cases took place at either the perpetrator's or the victim's home, but that doesn't mean the incident didn't begin at a social occasion.
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2014-01-24, 05:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
Goodness, I hope not! Is that what I've been feeding these scraps to? I thought I was nourishing a vine of succulent discussion, not sowing the seeds of egotist brambles!
Wait, "I have absolutely no proof or confirmation or reason to believe this except I want to, not even an anecdote; let's use it as proof"? Uh?
I know, but I had to take the shot. You understand~
Actually, if we want to get to brass tacks, as I have observed before, I was never human, even when I was physically human; not up here *taps skull*, where it matters.
How is this built on a lie? A transgender person actually is female, there is no deception involved. This only makes sense if you assert that transsexuals aren't real and it's just a mental disorder.
Nope! They are the super massive black holes of stapling awkward sexual implications to things and guzzling down the psuedomass of hemmorhaging gravitas~!
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2014-01-24, 05:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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I didn't claim it was proof for anything but just a more or less random comment on (some) women's interests?
How is this built on a lie? A transgender person actually is female, there is no deception involved. This only makes sense if you assert that transsexuals aren't real and it's just a mental disorder.
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2014-01-24, 06:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's not another case where eye candy works for women too, it's a case where you're assuming eye candy works for the woman in question without actually knowing if it's true.
Not touching on the more delicate parts of this question but if you read the article you'll notice the writer used pictures of friends and made up lies to avoid webcams and microphones. If that isn't dishonest I'm not quite sure what is.Last edited by SiuiS; 2014-01-24 at 06:03 AM.
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2014-01-24, 06:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
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2014-01-24, 07:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
It is probably the single most important one of that whole line of thinking.
Originally Posted by SiuiS
(I mean, making sex=> evil for the purposes of eliminating humanity is one thing, but trying to pretend something doesn't exist until you're 141/16/18 (country depending) is just catatrophically stupid.)
I absolutely loathe that advert myself, but that is for the completely different reason that it wasn't funny the first time, and by the twentieth time I've had to sit though it before watching a video on TGWTG, my feelings have not been improved.
1Random fact I learned from Strawberries during the session on Monday, it is that in Italy. (No idea what context that came up into, now.) Actually, on a morbidly curious wiki search on making this aside, a surprisingly large number of European countries have it at 14 or 15 and 16 is in the upper end. You learn summat new every day.Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2014-01-24 at 07:10 AM.
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2014-01-24, 07:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
While I guess it's incidental evidence at best I know what her preferred type of men looks like and what her game characters often look like... which is pretty identical. Yes, I can only say it applies to her but I think its not far fetched to assume other women would also like to look at something which "fits their type" in video games in the same way fanservice-y naked women are designed for men's pleasure. (Or would you suggest women never make choices based on their desire for eye candy?)
Ah, if you meant that one specific instance, that's a different story. Although avoiding webcams and microphones shouldn't be considered weird, should it?
I'm sure not all of the online friends lost after the reveal acted such because they felt betrayed but I'm sure I would even if I understand the motivation behind it. I'd want my friends to be honest with me about it and work from there and not base a friendship on being deceived about such a matter. (And please let's not start on whether or not the gender/sex of a friend (should) matter(s). No, it shouldn't but quite often it does. Or at least possibly does.)
@Avilan: I'd almost laugh if it wasn't such a tragic matter.
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2014-01-24, 07:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
No, you can't. That's my point; you're making an unsubstantiated leap that her reasons are because eye candy; you haven't asked her, it hasn't come up in conversation and you're not considering the possibility of other reasons. That's all.
No, not if it's done for reasons of privacy or such. But here the intent was quite clearly to deceive the other people.Last edited by SiuiS; 2014-01-24 at 07:55 AM.
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2014-01-24, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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As I said, I don't want to say it's proof for anything but are you claiming my assumption is far fetched?
I do not think privacy for the sake of personal safety is to deceive other people, myself. That's the crux; there's a legitimate reason to "lie", and that is that your life will fall apart if one jerk wad decides that you're worth antagonizing.
Maybe we just have to agree to disagree on how important honesty is in this matter.
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2014-01-24, 07:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm saying it's an assumption.
I think "personal safety" seems a bit of a wide claim here... "Your identity/reputation in an online game will be destroyed/harmed" and "your life will fall apart" aren't quite the same.
And for stuff like "you're not really a woman, you lied to me!" People quickly want to correct your 'deviance'.
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2014-01-24, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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I disagree emphatically here. Transphobic persecution is a horrific thing and a trans person has every right to protect themselves online, without being made to feel guilty about lying or misleading people. For proof, just look at any news article featuring a transgender person. I'd sure as hell want to protect myself from people like that.
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2014-01-24, 09:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Huh. I missed a line there.
Kato, what is honesty? Are you saying it is more important for me to cater to your biases by presenting my non-important birth sex, which is functionally a birth defect, rather than telling you the truth about my being a woman? That if I didn't want to be harassed for not having fifty thousand dollars American and five years worth of hormones and surgery, that I should pretend to be a man instead?
That's generally what that sounds like.
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2014-01-24, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Urgh, I really wish I could find a good way to express my opinion without sounding like a **** but still being honest about it Also, I'm afraid we are treating towards politics (again) and I'd rather like to stay away from that.
I'll put it short: Nobody makes you "lie" on the internet about your sexual identity. ("Lie" as in "I'm a girl" is not the same as "I'm a girl born in a boy's body" (I hope this phrasing isn't offensive to anyone. If so, please correct me)) If you decide to do it, I don't think it's a good start for forming friendships. And if you drag it out and form closer relationships to people and you still don't tell them the "truth" you are just getting closer and closer to the point when someone will somehow find out. (Even if it is only because maybe people assume you could a suspicious person who may mean harm to others.) And if you lied to people for such a long time - even if you got your reasons - it's not unreasonable for them to feel offended. If you are close enough friends with a person on the internet for them to reasonably ask you for pictures you should also be close enough to tell them the whole story of who you are.
(I'd rather leave out the real world repercussions part of the argument. I'm aware of it, even if I guess I'm doing humanity a big favor by assuming people largely wouldn't care let alone go through the trouble of actively trying to hurt you, but it's getting again as off-topic as the rape issue earlier. Yeah, it'd be cool if it didn't exist, sadly it exists. And I'd rather stop there or we would get drift away fast)
edit: Regarding SuiuS last post: As noted above, there is still a difference between "I'm a girl" and "I'm a girl born in the body of a man" and while I know it's not very pc, yes there is a difference for me (and I dare say many others) when it comes to it. Not saying I have anything against trans* people but if you want to treat it as "basically a birth defect" I guess I can say I'd like to know about it the same way I'd want to know it if a person was born blind or deaf or anything else. (And please don't accuse me of comparing trans* people to disabled people, you brought up the birth defect comparison)Last edited by Kato; 2014-01-24 at 09:43 AM.
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2014-01-24, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Women who play male characters (in games)
I'd be pretty pissed off if someone said they gave me a picture of themselves, and then it turned out to be someone else... A trans woman telling me they're a woman is not a lie, but if they don't want to show me what they really look like they just shouldn't show me anything at all; "I don't feel comfortable sharing my photos over the internet" is a perfectly reasonable, and honest, reason with no need for deception. I don't cope well with liars; I do fine with other people's need for privacy.
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