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2011-07-12, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon Tales and OOTS Game Status
Not to mention paying for all that just to for the chance to stand in line to buy the book. I'm pretty sure paying the shipping costs on a pre-ordered book is a wee bit cheaper than all the expenses to get to and into the Con. A pre-ordered GenCon ticket for 1 day is something like $35/$40 if I remember correctly from last year. (Just for some added perspective, not to beat a dead horse. )
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2011-07-12, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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If the people at GenCon were actually getting preferential treatment over people who preordered, I might agree with you. However, since people who preordered can pick their copies up at GenCon, they can get them just as soon as people who buy at GenCon. That seems fair to me.
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2011-07-12, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think it's that the people at GenCon don't have to go through a lot of hassle or work to get the book, it's that the preorder people received a promise from ookoodook to get the book months ago, whereas there was no such promise or commitment made to GenCon attendees that part of their ticket costs offered a chance to pick up a copy of the book. So it is a bit annoying seeing that when they have the ability/chance to gt some books out early, they are not going to the people who made the earlier commitments first (they could've done by order of preorders) but rather to GenCon where no such commitment was made. While it makes sense from a business point of view, GenCon is undoubtedly a good place to make sales, and good for selling excess stock and making money. However that is being prioritised over preorders made by people who were supposed to have received it months ago. I personally don't mind waiting a week or so, but that was just for the people who were claiming GenCon people deserve to get it first for buying con tickets, or waiting in line, or travelling. They didn't incur those costs for the express purpose of getting the book. They weren't promised early access to the book when they bought the tickets, and the gencon tickets/costs gives the attendees far more value than the chance to purchase a book. The issue is who promises were made to, and which commitments they are honoring first. And in this case, the original promises and commitments made to the preorder folks are being bypassed in favour of selling them commercially at a major convention. That said, I'm in favour of that. I see that they're still a business, and it makes sense to do it this way, just don't have people claiming that going to Gencon entitles them to the book more than people who preordered it.
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2011-07-12, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-12, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon Tales and OOTS Game Status
You guys are looking at this all wrong. The issue here is that the books got delayed, NOT that Gencon will get them first. The books were -always- going to be at Gencon, it was just expected that they would have shipped the pre-orders by now.
This isn't an issue of genconners getting preferential treatment, this is an issue of printing delays which pushed back the ability to ship the order.Official Incense Aroma Specialist for the Vaarsuvius Fan Club!
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2011-07-12, 11:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sheriff: Please drop the discussion regarding GenCon, which is becoming increasingly hostile and is ultimately pointless. This is a thread for announcement of delivery issues and possibly questions related to that (although direct email to Ookoodook is probably a more fruitful avenue). If you have specific issues, changes, or complaints, take them up privately with Ookoodook. This thread is not here for sniping, flaming, trolling, or legal, commercial, or philosophical debates about what a pre-order means.
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2011-07-13, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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This is in no way true. It just isn't. There is no way, shape, or form that the books being at GenCon will be prioritized over getting pre-orders out. If we have the books physically at GenCon, then the pre-orders will already have begun being shipped. The only way that won't be the case is if for some reason the books arrive literally the day before GenCon, which is highly unlikely. If they arrive earlier than that, they will already begin shipping before GenCon. If they arrive later, then they won't be at GenCon either. But there is no action we are taking that puts the books being at GenCon ahead of those that are shipping.
If you're going to blame me for the time that the postal service takes to deliver it which may put delivery after GenCon even if it ships before GenCon, well, there's nothing I can do about that. I don't have magic postal powers. All we can do is ship them the moment we get them.
If you're mad because we're not going to deliberately withhold them from GenCon so that the pre-order people can enjoy their copies for a week before anyone else gets one, then you are probably going to stay mad forever because that's ridiculous. We are not going to shoot ourselves in the foot financially to satisfy a vague sense of privilege that some people who pre-ordered feel they are owed. We are doing the best we can with the hand we've been dealt; we aren't required to fall on our sword to make it up to you.
And as far as customers "never pre-ordering again," by all means, go ahead and do that if this situation bothers you that much. Pre-ordering will always carry a risk of delay, and if that risk is unacceptable to you, then please, don't pre-order. I mean it. You will be making my life easier by not putting yourself in a position where you feel the need to complain later.
However, if it's a short run like this book is, you also can't complain if the book sells out the first day that it's in-stock and you therefore don't get one. The benefit of pre-ordering this book was NOT that you would get it first; it was that you would be guaranteed to get it AT ALL. The pre-orders we've taken will eat up 55% of the total print run, and I expect GenCon to eat up another 15-20%, so anyone who hasn't pre-ordered has a strong chance of getting left out, and we're not reprinting this one. And that was why I asked people to pre-order to help me set print run numbers--not for my benefit, but for theirs. To make sure that everyone who really wanted one got one.
There are always choices in life with no clear winner. You can have guaranteed availability and an uncertain ship date, or you can have a guaranteed ship date and uncertain availability. Pick one based on what is most important to you.
Now, Roland has asked that we let this subtopic die, and I'm going to let it, since I feel that I've answered everything that's been brought up. But I just want to reiterate: There is nothing we are doing that prioritizes GenCon over pre-orders.Rich Burlew
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2011-07-15, 05:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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I pre-ordered because this was going to be a single print run. There have been some delays but the status updates show that the book is coming soon. When it arrives, I will read it. I am content to allow the process to work as long as the book arrives eventually. I would like the book's quality to not suffer due to people demanding that it be produced faster. If I have any questions, they are going to be sent to the distributor at this point.
Giant, thank you for producing the book and I look forward to seeing it.FTDWIR
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2011-07-15, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I think I'm finally going to break down and buy a copy. Sounds like the ideal time to do it -- no long wait, but plenty of copies still in existence.
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2011-07-21, 01:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-21, 09:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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I haven't see updates in ookoodook in a while, is there any news on the printing?
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2011-07-21, 09:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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We should have a betting pool for the day/month it gets shipped out. Winner gets a hint for the MitD.
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2011-07-21, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Although I am currently waiting patiently and have every confidence that the books will be arriving soon, it would be pleasant to receive an update from Ookoodook here as well. Even if it is a report that no change has happened, a bit of communication is always appreciated from a business.
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2011-07-21, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-21, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-21, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Excellent -- thank you, Talshor!
I'd also like to point out to everyone, of course, that now is a perfect time to preorder a copy if you've been on the fence. The book is clearly coming out soon, so you won't have a long wait, and the print run is limited, so it's a good idea to get it now if you're not planning on attending GenCon.Cruncher of the Kibbles of Wisdom
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2011-07-21, 03:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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The latest that I have heard is that it will be finished and leave the printer's location en route to Ookoodook "next week"; I currently have a request to the printer to clarify whether they mean "Mondayish" or "Fridayish" of next week.
Obviously, if its the first, then the book will arrive at Ookoodook around Wednesday and all pre-orders should be out the door before GenCon. If its the latter, it will arrive the following Monday and probably only a portion of the pre-orders will ship before the personnel from Ookoodook need to get on a plane to go to Indianapolis on Tuesday night.
I won't know anything else until the printer gets back to me.
EDIT: OK, they literally just got back to me in my email as I was posting this. The answer is "Wednesday night," which sort of leaves it up in the air. I will need to consult with Kevin from Ook to see what this means in terms of how many products will get out the door.Rich Burlew
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2011-07-21, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-21, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon Tales and OOTS Game Status
Well this was preordered for me as an early birthday present but now it will be a slightly late present. But I realize how hard random stuff happening can be so I won't complain about any of this except for the lack of updates on the book's status for a decent period early on as that is the only part you could have changed (without large wads of cash to spare that is ).
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2011-07-21, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thank you! Hmm, depending on what happens, I may need to drop a message to the post office late next week. "If a package for me shows up the week after this, don't just leave it at the door like you usually do. I'll be out of the state, and what if it rains or something? I'll pick it up when I come home." Good to know this could be necessary. Thanks again for the information!
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2011-07-21, 09:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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We've never had a pre-order this large, so it will be hard to say exactly how long it will take to get all the books out, but I estimate 10 days from the time that we get the book.
I will be at Gen Con starting Wednesday, the 3rd, but the warehouse crew will be working while I'm gone. I just get in the way anyway so things will go faster without me there.
If you're going to Gen Con and you want us to hold your book so that you can pick it up at the convention, let us know! Send an email to [email protected]. If we don't hear back before Tuesday, the 2nd, then we will ship your book as usual and you won't be able to pick it up at the convention. We will refund your shipping.
Now on to the games. We paid an outrageous amount to have a few games air-shipped over to sell at Gen Con. If you pre-ordered one of the games, we can give you a copy, but we cannot refund your shipping due to the cost we incurred in getting them here. Same deal - let us know before Tuesday ([email protected]), the 2nd or we won't be able to give you the game at the show.
The rest of the games should be here by the end of August. Literally as the games were on the dock the printer got a call that the games had failed product testing because (you'll like this) the game boxes didn't have the APE Games company city and zip code on the outside. I've been doing this for almost 15 years and have NEVER put my zip code on the game box. In fact, I'll bet that most of the games in your closet don't have the manufacturer's address on the box. Anyway, they had to take the whole shipment back and add address stickers before shipping them.
I'm also going to post this on Ookoodook.com and send out another carpet-bomb email.Owner of APE Games.
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2011-07-21, 09:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-21, 10:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-22, 04:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Just to let everyone know. I got an email saying they expect the book to ship from the printer next Wendsday.
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2011-07-22, 05:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-22, 05:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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The way I understood it:
Wednesday - Ook gets the books.
The following 10 days - shipping them out
So your book should be shipped somewhere between wed and the next satAl'tair avatar by Nevitan
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2011-07-22, 07:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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The email I got said it is going to ship direct from printer.
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2011-07-22, 08:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-22, 09:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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im so glad i pre-ordered. there are always things that happen but you rarely have to worry.
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2011-07-22, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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To clarify further, the books should leave the printer next Wed. They'll be on a truck to the Ookoodook/APE warehouse until Fri or maybe Mon. Then we start shipping in earnest (unless Ernest has anything to say about it).
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