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2011-05-31, 12:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
So dragon shaman are listed in their fluff as avid studiers of dragons.
Knowing things about dragons requires a knowledge(arcana).
Knowledge(arcana) is not on their skill list, not even on any of the specific totems gives knowledge(arcana) as a class skill. So these shaman who get their power from understanding of dragons, couldn't tell you the difference between a green dragon and an oversized gecko! What the what?My homebrew
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2011-05-31, 12:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Personally I have a houserule that Knowlege (Arcana) is a class skill for Dragon Shamans.
Becuase IMO, that's idiotic that they don't have it.Avatar by DirtyTabs in the Adopt-A-Pony thread.
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2011-05-31, 12:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 12:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
I didn't think they so much studied dragons as revered and worshipped them.
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2011-05-31, 12:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
Would you really want your dragon shaman to learn that dragons do not, in fact, emit a healing aura?
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2011-05-31, 12:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 01:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 01:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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No levelled malice
Infects one comma in the course I hold;
But flies an eagle flight, bold, and forth on,
Leaving no track behind.
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2011-05-31, 01:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 01:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
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2011-05-31, 02:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
FWIW, this got specifically addressed in the PHB2 errata file. Knowledge (arcana) is a class skill for all colors of dragon shaman.
Now, if only they'd done the same for Favored Souls and Knowledge (religion)...
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2011-05-31, 02:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
That one may well be by design - being a favoured (iPod autocorrect tried to turn that into Gabonese and then cabooses) soul means a god chose you, rather than the other way around. He or she didn't necessarily ask you about it first.
The one that always amused me was Horizon Walkers not getting Kn:The Planes.Quotebox
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2011-05-31, 02:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
I think my favorite wacky skill list is the Master Inquisitive, from ECS.
They're not missing anything in particular, but they have 6 + INT skills. And only 8 class skills. None of which are those nice wildcards like Craft or Profession or Speak Language. And the fluff is that they're real smart guys. So a Master Inquisitive who gets +3 skill points per level (anyone with 16 INT, or a human with 14 INT) is required to take cross-class skills.
I also find it annoying that Knights don't get Diplomacy.
And yet, your sorcerous bloodline (or just your raw awesomeness) didn't necessarily ask you if you wanted to be a Sorcerer, but Sorcs still get K: Arcana. And WotC kind of hates Sorcerers a little bit. Just sayin'.Last edited by Zaq; 2011-05-31 at 02:51 AM.
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2011-05-31, 04:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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What amuses me is how Wu Jen know everything despite them never likely studying The Planes and Religion.
That reminds me, I once explained the knowledge skills to my brother and then told him about knowledge the planes skill.
He now thinks that angels and demons are Aeroplanes.My extended signature.
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2011-05-31, 05:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 05:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 06:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 06:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 06:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
Ah.
I guess "I'm tired of these gorram snakes on this gorram demi-plane" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.Iron Chef Award!
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2011-05-31, 06:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 06:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well sure, but everything has a better sound with more Firefly in it.
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2011-05-31, 07:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
Yeah. maybe. It still seems weird, though, that after being touched by the divine, the class doesn't give you the option (barring one online ACF) to actually learn about where your powers are coming from without spending cross class skills. It also makes it unnecessarily hard, using the class as written, to get into 90% of divine PrCs. I personally believe it was an omission from when the class first appeared in Miniatures Handbook, and was reprinted in CD.
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2011-05-31, 07:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Dragons are those mind reading jellyfish headed things that eat brains, right?
Or am I thinking of something else?On a quest to marry Asmodeus, lord of the Nine Hells, or die trying.
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2011-05-31, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 07:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
Why not a squid?
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2011-05-31, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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This thread is highly amusing.
And I never noticed that about Favored Souls! Someone should be bonked on the head for that one.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2011-05-31, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 08:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
And they even had a chance to fix it when they reprinted in CDiv, that's gotta count double.
WotC employee "We're going to reprint Favored Soul in Complete Divine, do you need me to go over it to be sure it's ready to print again"
WotC boss "what, no we proofed it for Miniatures Handbook, why bother?"
To be fair if some one at WotC was bonked on the head every time they did something silly like that, the city of Renton, Washington would be the most brain damaged city in america, possibly the world.
Now that I think about it, I kinda like the idea of favored souls being clueless dupes.My homebrew
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