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Thread: Erfworld, The Thread.
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2012-09-13, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-13, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Also, this gives a chance for Charlie to slip, as in revealing that he has information that he shouldn't have.
That would allow JS and/or Transsilvito to come to the conclusion that Charlie can tap into the spy-bats and/or thinkagrams.
And reach that conclusion independently from GK or MKLast edited by hajo; 2012-09-13 at 09:42 AM.
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2012-09-13, 11:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-14, 12:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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But we don't know that 3 is true. In fact, I don't believe it is. We have no evidence that Charlie can tap into a bat's natural thinkamancy the way he can other forms of thinkamancy.
(We also don't know how much influence he actually has over the eyebooks, or whether he's actually able to intercept messages over them. Parson presumed he could and decided to be cautious, but we've never had any indication that Charlie could do anything but use them to communicate.)
Even if he could, the eyebooks are not natural thinkamancy. Remember, an overlord's knowledge of his side is also natural thinkamancy. If Charlie can tap natural thinkamancy, he knows essentially everything -- everything seen by every single scout, the entire composition of every single side, etc. This seems unlikely.Last edited by Aquillion; 2012-09-14 at 12:35 AM.
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2012-09-14, 02:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not per se, no, but I wouldn't put it past him and the Arkendish to be able to do that.
But the chat function, which Charlie explicitly hijacked, was the only part of the eyebooks that were Thinkamancy. The notes, the drawings, the Hamstard panels, etc. were all Jack's domain, Foolamancy (see also Jack's upgrade to the eyebooks), and thus impervious to Charlie's all-seeing eye. I will admit, however, that we don't know whether Charlie could (or cared to) access the other conversations used through the eyebooks, but if he could that would support my theory about his powers.
But Don's knowledge of the bat does not equal Don's knowledge of what the bat sees. That is Bunny's domain. I can't find the exact page, but when Tramennis leads the Jetstone army into Spacerock, Don says "When the battle starts, I want you to send that bat's [said bat hanging from the top of the tower] view to everyone in here." This implies, to my mind, that Bunny was sharing the view with Don out of Duty. My point being that it seems to be a closer link to the Thinkamancer than to the Ruler. Of course, a lot of this depends on what Charlie says in the upcoming update, and what (if anything) he lets slip.
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2012-09-14, 02:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, it's mostly academic, since I think we can all agree that Charlie knows that the king is a duplicate now (they wouldn't have cut to that panel of the Arkendish right as it was said, otherwise.) The exact way he learned it isn't really so important at the moment.
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2012-09-14, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, it appears as if Jetstone has a few options now to avoid being manacled at end of turn with Slately dead. Provided that a ditto'd King cannot designate a heir...
1) Go barbarian. Charlie would put them on contract to provide Upkeep until they reach Charlescomm units to transfer their captive Decrypted Archon, then provide enough schmuckers to start a new side in their former capital. This seems the most likely scenario.
2) Join with Transylvito, again under contract with Charlie until such time as the Decrypted Archon is delivered.
3) Join a further side, again sponsored and dictated by Charlie.May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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2012-09-15, 02:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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From what I understand, If Slatley's double cannot designate an heir then there is nothing they can do when he pops away. A barbarian side is a side with a ruler but no city, like Jillian's side before she rebuilt FAQ. Normally if a ruler doesn't have an heir when he croaks then those in the field are disbanded (like with Unaroyal) and those in cities are frozen until they are captured or croaked (which is what Parson was worried about when Stanley fled Gobwin Knob in Book 1).
Under normal conditions a ruler with no designated heir dieing, means it is game over for that side. Creating a double of your ruler seems to bend that rule.
Of course, if a ruler's double is enough to keep a side alive it stands to reason that it is enough to designate an heir. Though I could be wrong on that.Last edited by Lizard Lord; 2012-09-15 at 02:54 AM.
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2012-09-15, 09:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'd say it's enough. Slately (referring to the double) still seems to have an Overlord's abilities (such as sensing all of the units under his control - he doesn't seem to have noticed anything different) and if the city has gone neutral then why does everyone still have Jetstone livery when we know a neutral city gets blank banners?
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2012-09-15, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Double-Slately is close enough to the real thing for the world to accept that his side still has a Ruler, and good enough to duplicate the accessories Ace made for him. I would be a bit disappointed if he can, so far, do *everything* Slately could do except designate an Heir, so I want there to be some other reason this revelation is going to suck for Jetstone.. perhaps creating an Heir is not an instant title/ability change, and some wrinkle in the order-of-operations for unit cleanup means the Double spell is going to end before Tramennis actually becomes Heir, even if Charlie does honor the bounty on that Archon.
Charlie may be calling with a different offer, however - maybe he has a way to keep the Double active past the usual limits of such a spell.
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2012-09-15, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-17, 05:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-17, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Jillian was a bit of a sub from the start it seems. (Big surprise)
Lots of punny names in this one including Lord Vitaly Important of Frenemy (I thought the Wolverine one was best though). So Wanda got some payback there at least.
After this I wonder how much Wanda knew about Jillian ahead of time and how much she knows about things off Erfworld. The cemetary/headstones are one thing, but an angel, that's pushing it. I really can't tell if Wanda is trying to do here. Break Jillian to get info about Faq. Test Jillian in some way. Learn about Jillian as a person or help her in some way. Or a combination of these.
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2012-09-17, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Even if Jillian's only giving small snippets of info, if Wanda can tell what's the truth and what's a lie, then she could probably peace those smaller bits into a larger story. And that's assuming Jillian isn't getting trauma-induced amnesia.
The cemetary/headstones are one thing, but an angel, that's pushing it. I really can't tell if Wanda is trying to do here. Break Jillian to get info about Faq. Test Jillian in some way. Learn about Jillian as a person or help her in some way. Or a combination of these.
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2012-09-17, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Remember that Wanda is out to destroy Haffaton from within. I'm not sure how she will do that and maybe she don't know either. But an heir from another kingdom...could open up possibilities.
What if Wanda defected to this new kingdom? Would she take all her uncroaked with her? Would a massive fight break out between the uncroaked and whatever Haffaton has left? Would a critically weakend Haffaton be swamped by enemies from all sides? Seems likely.Bad to the Bone!
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2012-09-17, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sems to me that Wanda would want to make very sure Haffaton was toast and personally destroy out a certain caster of theirs. Or at least be on hand to witness it. Just weakening Haffaton does not seem like enough.
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2012-09-18, 02:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Interrogation' session.
Oh, my...
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Lord Huge Ackman of Loganclaw.
Prince Willie Nilly of Nolens Volens.
Sergeant Pepper.
Erfworld is still funny, after all...Do I contradict myself?
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2012-09-19, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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As of the most recent comic we have cameos by:
Spoiler- The Emperor
- Dr. Doom
- ?
- An Agent
- ?
- Khaaaaaaaaan
- Beetlejuice
- The Joker
Did I get those right?
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2012-09-19, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-19, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Appearing as several different villains....very subtle Charlie.
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2012-09-19, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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The third one looks like Dr Gero from Dragonball Z.
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2012-09-19, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-19, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-19, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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The progression into a chess piece starts before that, as he first loses his color, then becomes increasingly stylized with the radish on his crown assuming the traditional cross shape. Losing that is only the final stage. From the very beginning the symbolism is that he's becoming merely a piece in Charlies game rather then his own.
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2012-09-19, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think this is really showing that Charlie is VERY scared of Parson.
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2012-09-19, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-19, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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What makes you think Charlie is being honest with his pawn? After all we have yet to see how Charlie proposes to achieve his objective but telling Slately "Simple, we kill the Fatman" beyond just being yet another pop-culture reference makes a whole lot more sense telling him "Simple, you sacrifice your side so I can capture Hamster and his magic bracer."
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2012-09-19, 02:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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How does Charlie know that Slately's the double? The old "You just told me" gag? Some artifact we're not aware of?
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2012-09-19, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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He saw it through the thinkamancy link available from the transylvitian bat. Note frames 1 through 3 of this page.
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2012-09-19, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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This page is what was set up back then.